Here is the e-bay details with pictures and configuration
http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-e-SERVER-zSERIES-890-2086-A04-MAINFRAME-
COMPUTER_W0QQitemZ260202032717QQihZ016QQcategoryZ64030QQssPageNa
meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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It seems that there is more to this story.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?
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Just a question on the configuration of this box.
I indicated in a previous post this was an IFL only box - and so did Mr.
Sipples on his mainframe blog. But then there was this rather 'unfriendly'
comment by the buyer (cf.
http://mainframe.typepad.com/blog/2008/01/your-home-mainf.html#comments)
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:29:39 -0600, Darren Evans-Young
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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It's amazing how a post degenerates into
a wild rumour. (not your post Shmuel)
...
Actually, this thread started in a pretty degenerate state - asking
about rehosting IBM-Main. Our own FUD added UA dropping
On 19 Jan 2008 03:36:04 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R.S.) wrote:
I wonder why people get excited about z890 on eBay.
Second hand equipment is widely available, although not on aBay.
The prices for z/8xx are reasonably low, I heard about $10k for z/800
with CPs.
But excited they do become. Looks
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/18/2008
at 02:15 PM, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Okay, Then I will gladly be your z/VM sysprog. My experience on the 'dark
side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first logged onto a virtual
machine.
I'm a TSO bigot from way bac,, and I would *NEVER* refer
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
Are we losing our hosting? If not, why discuss options for a new host?
I've heard nothing about UA dropping us. Yes, Darren has retired, but he's
still willing to put in time for the list. If there is a need to move,
it's his opinions that
My question is: If you have two z890s, A with 1 CP and 1 IFL and B with 2
IFL, then in a disaster where A is under a pile of rubble, can you get IBM
to turn on a CP and an IFL in B and still pay the same price for z/OS
z/VM?
Yes, although it's a good idea to contract for that in advance using
If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you
upgrade your IFL's are already paid for.
Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn
on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890?
No, I don't think so. You will then own two z890 IFLs. BUT,
I wonder why people get excited about z890 on eBay.
Second hand equipment is widely available, although not on aBay.
The prices for z/8xx are reasonably low, I heard about $10k for z/800
with CPs. You can run any system on it, including z/OS.
Also, you can buy DASD boxes, sometimes for peanuts.
My question is: If you have two z890s, A with 1 CP and 1 IFL and B with 2
IFL, then in a disaster where A is under a pile of rubble, can you get IBM
to turn on a CP and an IFL in B and still pay the same price for z/OS amp;
z/VM?
/Tom Kern
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:09:16 +0900, Timothy Sipples
--snip--
If UA is trying to get rid of IBM-Main then yes, we should help find
another home for it, and a z platform would be worth looking at.
Otherwise, let's not rock the boat.
-unsnip-
Best idea I've heard yet.
tony babonas wrote:
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
Why? Isn't bama doing a good enough job?
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:55:24 -0800, Edward Jaffe
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Why? Isn't bama doing a good enough job?
...
I'll take Ed's question a step further.
I'd say that bama is doing a good job and I'd hate to see
this turned over to a bunch amateurs, not matter how well
In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:58:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If UA is trying to get rid of IBM-Main then yes, we should help find
another home for it, and a z platform would be worth looking at.
Otherwise, let's not rock the boat.
With next year's
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of tony babonas
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and
all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L,
DB2-L etc etc.
I'd think z/VM would be
-snip--
We would self-moderate
unsnip-
Right after I shoot down the pig that's circling my chimney!!! :-)
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On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 14:53 -0600, tony babonas wrote:
We would self-moderate
Yeah, like THAT's gonna happen.
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:53:10 -0600, tony babonas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Continuing to blaspheme, my theory is that zOS should be able to host such
an application, labor being provided by a collective of experienced sysprogs.
We would self-moderate(after all it's our DASD), self-fund,
..
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Edward Jaffe
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
tony babonas wrote:
Why don't we
Okay, Then I will gladly be your z/VM sysprog. My experience on the 'dark
side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first logged onto a virtual machine.
/Tom Kern
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:09:03 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
Why not
If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you
upgrade your IFL's are already paid for.
That is correct.
Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn on 2
IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890? Quite a savings from the list price
of
. Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all would be willing
to help out.
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ken Porowski
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:10 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs
Bama in general, and Darren in particular, have been doing a very good job.
As with any re-hosting discussion, the people involved (which is the most
important aspect) have been ignored.
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
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My experience on the 'dark side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first
logged onto a virtual machine.
I first logged on in September 1976.
1st year course at Uwaterloo.
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas wrote:
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of tony babonas
We don't want to do this on the cheap,necessarily. We want
to run it all on zOS.
No shortage of SYSPROGs:-)
z/OS would probably be the worst choice for this purpose. First, you'd
have to
From 'Clear and Present Danger'
Jack Ryan: I'm here to rent the Huey.
Helicopter owner: We don't rent it anymore, but it is for sale.
Jack Ryan: How much?
Helicopter owner: Two million dollars.
Jack Ryan: Uh, my pilot and I will have to take it for a test drive.
Helicopter owner: Of course,
@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
You could save some money by running SLES10 and the linux version of
LSoft's LISTSERV product.
No z/OS or z/VM necessary.
/Tom Kern
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Why
In a message dated 1/18/2008 1:18:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us
have to pony up?
$100k/mo would be a good start. Divide that by 4K users and only 20 bucks a
month. Nobody has ever
-snip
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us
Up to $6500 now.
If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you
upgrade your IFL's are already paid for.
Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn
on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890? Quite a savings from the
list price of $100K+
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ken Porowski
Up to $6500 now.
If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once
and when you upgrade your IFL's are already paid for.
Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just
have
Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ken Porowski
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:10 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
Up to $6500 now
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of tony babonas
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and
all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L,
DB2-L etc etc.
I'd think z/VM would be a better choice for a LISTSERVE
No z/OS or z/VM necessary.
Somebody has gone over to the Dark Side, Luke!
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thomas Kern
You could save some money by running SLES10 and the linux
version of LSoft's LISTSERV product.
No z/OS or z/VM necessary.
But z/VM would provide cheap insurance against outages, especially if
So we take up a collection, buy the z890 and have it shipped to Darren
;-)
-Original Message-
Tom Schmidt
You have completely missed the point: the list owner (Darren, in our
case) is the true fundamental value to this list. The hardware
operating system are meaningless in our
Z890 2086-160 w/2 ILFs. Current bid under $1,600.
1 CP - about 200 MIPS
2 IFLs - about 350 MIPS each
I am not the seller and have no connection with the seller. I just think this
is a great opportunity for the right buyer.
Dan,
I think 2086-160 is not entirely correct.
If I read the specs correctly, it's an IFL machine only as it's been
downgraded to a Zero CP Engines machine.
Still a nice find though, and really cheap (for the moment).
Marc Wambeke
Systems Architect
Dolmen CA
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