[PHP-DEV] PHP 5.2.2 and PHP 4.4.7 Released!

2007-05-04 Thread Derick Rethans
The PHP development team would like to announce the immediate availability of PHP 5.2.2 and availability of PHP 4.4.7. These releases are major stability and security enhancements of the 5.x and 4.4.x branches, and all users are strongly encouraged to upgrade to it as soon as possible.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Help with the snaps site

2007-05-04 Thread Richard Quadling
Hey! It wasn't THAT scary! Just a table which has the most recent activity on the left side columns. Not too wide. Easy to see which version and the either source or Win32 stuff. And also all the additional files requested. I like the idea. My implementation though. Hmmm. Ok. I agree. Eeek!

[PHP-DEV] CVS Account Request: c0il

2007-05-04 Thread Vernet Loïc
To commit in cvs a Pear package that already approved by the Pear group. (PHP_Debug) -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

[PHP-DEV] Re: Re: Help with the snaps site

2007-05-04 Thread John Mertic
Would you be willing to produce the HTML needed for the redesign? Unfortunately my knowledge about HTML and CSS is very limited, so I don't think the page would look very good in case I did it. I would prefer if somebody with more knowledge could do it. I'd be able to do the HTML and CSS on

[PHP-DEV] ldap extension

2007-05-04 Thread Conrad Vermeulen
Hi, I contacted Stig Venaas who is listed in the php/EXTENSIONS file as being the maintainer of the LDAP extension. I have some patches I would like to provide/apply so that the extension supports LDAP + TLS a little better. Currently there is no way to deal with certificates programatically,

Re: [PHP-DEV] ldap extension

2007-05-04 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 05/04/2007 01:17 PM, Conrad Vermeulen wrote: Hi, I contacted Stig Venaas who is listed in the php/EXTENSIONS file as being the maintainer of the LDAP extension. I have some patches I would like to provide/apply so that the extension supports LDAP + TLS a little better. Currently there is

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello internals, i'd like to start 5.3 development from 5.2.2 and have 5.2.* only have security relevant changes and no new features whatsoever. For the biggest changes i'd like to see the following: 1) Adding PECL/Phar as default extension 2) Add open_filename debug info to streams 3) Add

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Edin Kadribasic
Hello Marcus, Adding a new branch is a huge pita for people distributing binary extension, including our own Windows build and PECL4WIN sites. So perhaps we should wait with adding a new branch since 5.2 is a really nice release, the php5 that works very well :) I think that adding a Phar to the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 05/04/2007 07:07 PM, Marcus Boerger wrote: Hello internals, i'd like to start 5.3 development from 5.2.2 and have 5.2.* only have security relevant changes and no new features whatsoever. I'd like to wait for the end of the year (i.e. for the end of PHP4 support period) and then branch

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On 4-May-07, at 11:07 AM, Marcus Boerger wrote: Hello internals, i'd like to start 5.3 development from 5.2.2 and have 5.2.* only have security relevant changes and no new features whatsoever. For the biggest changes i'd like to see the following: 1) Adding PECL/Phar as default

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Ilia, Friday, May 4, 2007, 6:54:33 PM, you wrote: On 4-May-07, at 11:07 AM, Marcus Boerger wrote: Hello internals, i'd like to start 5.3 development from 5.2.2 and have 5.2.* only have security relevant changes and no new features whatsoever. For the biggest changes i'd like

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 05/04/2007 09:32 PM, Marcus Boerger wrote: I really don't think we need phar in core, certainly not enabled by default. If someone can make a good case for including it, I'd love to hear it. Easier distributing/deployment of stuff and phar even allows to use the packed files as is from

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On 4-May-07, at 1:32 PM, Marcus Boerger wrote: \For the biggest changes i'd like to see the following: 1) Adding PECL/Phar as default extension I really don't think we need phar in core, certainly not enabled by default. If someone can make a good case for including it, I'd love to hear it.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Edin Kadribasic
Antony Dovgal wrote: What's the problem with having it in PECL? I'm sure everybody interested in it can get it working in no more than 10 seconds using `pecl install phar`. PECL is great, but it does require a build system with increasingly obsolete set of tools (autoconf-2.13, etc.). Having

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
Edink, Just like we build snapshots we can create source packages with pre- built configure scripts for the individual PECL extensions. In fact that's something we need to look into anyway. On 4-May-07, at 1:49 PM, Edin Kadribasic wrote: Antony Dovgal wrote: What's the problem with

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 05/04/2007 09:49 PM, Edin Kadribasic wrote: Antony Dovgal wrote: What's the problem with having it in PECL? I'm sure everybody interested in it can get it working in no more than 10 seconds using `pecl install phar`. PECL is great, but it does require a build system with increasingly

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Edin Kadribasic
Antony Dovgal wrote: On 05/04/2007 09:49 PM, Edin Kadribasic wrote: Antony Dovgal wrote: What's the problem with having it in PECL? I'm sure everybody interested in it can get it working in no more than 10 seconds using `pecl install phar`. PECL is great, but it does require a build system

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 05/04/2007 10:06 PM, Edin Kadribasic wrote: Antony Dovgal wrote: On 05/04/2007 09:49 PM, Edin Kadribasic wrote: Antony Dovgal wrote: What's the problem with having it in PECL? I'm sure everybody interested in it can get it working in no more than 10 seconds using `pecl install phar`.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Edin Kadribasic
Antony Dovgal wrote: [snip] I really don't understand the objection. We have added the extensions to the core before when we want to promote a certain technology. I object because I believe extensions should be moved from core to PECL, not the other way round. If you don't like PECL or

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 05/04/2007 10:16 PM, Edin Kadribasic wrote: Antony Dovgal wrote: [snip] I really don't understand the objection. We have added the extensions to the core before when we want to promote a certain technology. I object because I believe extensions should be moved from core to PECL, not the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Edin Kadribasic wrote: Antony Dovgal wrote: What's the problem with having it in PECL? I'm sure everybody interested in it can get it working in no more than 10 seconds using `pecl install phar`. PECL is great, but it does require a build system with increasingly obsolete set of tools

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Richard Lynch
On Fri, May 4, 2007 1:09 pm, Antony Dovgal wrote: If you don't like PECL or think it's too difficult to use, let's make it easy enough for all. How easy is it for an average user on a shared host that needs X, to use pecl to get X, without an intervention by the webhost? I know y'all don't

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On 4-May-07, at 3:14 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Yes, to me the question is only if we want to give the message that software producers should be able to expect phar to be there on 99% of the systems. Thats the only way that phar has a good chance of really taking off as a php code

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Help with the snaps site

2007-05-04 Thread Richard Lynch
On Fri, May 4, 2007 4:49 am, Richard Quadling wrote: Hey! It wasn't THAT scary! Just a table which has the most recent activity on the left side columns. Not too wide. Easy to see which version and the either source or Win32 stuff. And also all the additional files requested. I like the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Ilia, Friday, May 4, 2007, 9:24:08 PM, you wrote: On 4-May-07, at 3:14 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Yes, to me the question is only if we want to give the message that software producers should be able to expect phar to be there on 99% of the systems. Thats the only way that phar

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Richard Lynch
On Fri, May 4, 2007 12:46 pm, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: 2) Add open_filename debug info to streams What would this mean for performance and memory usage of file ops? An additional malloc and strcpy on opening and an additional free on closing. We could however limit actual use to

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Antony Dovgal
On 05/04/2007 11:22 PM, Richard Lynch wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2007 1:09 pm, Antony Dovgal wrote: If you don't like PECL or think it's too difficult to use, let's make it easy enough for all. How easy is it for an average user on a shared host that needs X, to use pecl to get X, without an

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Richard, exactly the point. Most developers here can easily compile PHP on their own and typically never face a situation where that is no option or not possible at all. Believe it or not. Stuff in PECL is not being used. Not by the majority of PHP users that rely on prebuild/preinstalled

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: On 4-May-07, at 3:14 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Yes, to me the question is only if we want to give the message that software producers should be able to expect phar to be there on 99% of the systems. Thats the only way that phar has a good chance of really taking

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
obsolete set of tools (autoconf-2.13, etc.). Having Phar in the main distro will open up a whole new way to distribute PHP applications which would be a great advantage. The current system of distributing a bunch of PHP files has some shortcomings. I'm personally not sure phar is that great way

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: expect some people to hold exactly the opposite opinion. The question is however is phar so important that everybody needs it in the main source? Yup, that is indeed the question. Like I said I think it is important enough. regards, Lukas -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Stanislav, - you don't need a tool - well php - but hey you probbaly have that tool - you can run phar archives out of the box - untouched - you can extract phar archives and run them - still untouched - you can provide phar archives that do not require a phar extension To your question is

RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Andi Gutmans
I think phar is a nice idea but honestly haven't had enough bandwidth to check it out in more detail. Has there been some thorough analysis on the performance impact of it and whether this is the optimal recommended way for our users to distribute apps? The idea is actually very interesting but we

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Andi, Friday, May 4, 2007, 9:55:23 PM, you wrote: I think phar is a nice idea but honestly haven't had enough bandwidth to check it out in more detail. Has there been some thorough analysis on the performance impact of it and whether this is the optimal recommended way for our users to

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
- you don't need a tool - well php - but hey you probbaly have that tool Yes, but they can't open it by any other standard system tool. I.e. you always need PHP - and of specific version - to work with this file. And I don't know how you expect all kinds of proven and widely used tools like

RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Andi Gutmans
Don't think we every looked at it in detail. Or maybe I just don't remember. I think the URL thing is one of the biggest question marks. It will not be very useful for our users if they can't deploy the one big phar (similar to Java EE WAR or EAR). It can probably be done with some kind of front

RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Andi Gutmans
Btw, I think if phar is a good way of deploying self-contained apps like WAR and EAR then we should think of including this in the default distro. It definitely has value. I just don't think we're quite there yet. Andi -Original Message- From: Stanislav Malyshev [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3

2007-05-04 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Stanislav, Friday, May 4, 2007, 10:07:13 PM, you wrote: - you don't need a tool - well php - but hey you probbaly have that tool Yes, but they can't open it by any other standard system tool. I.e. you always need PHP - and of specific version - nope, there ispear/phar - perfectly

[PHP-DEV] Bug? Raw POST data in PHP 5.2.2, take two

2007-05-04 Thread Dirk Haun
I believe this is a bug in PHP 5.2.2. I've tried to report this for PHP 5.2.2RC2 but apparently wasn't making myself clear or wasn't following the proper procedures ... Anyway, as I wrote before[1], raw POST data isn't making it through in PHP 5.2.2 which results in XML-RPC communications to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bug? Raw POST data in PHP 5.2.2, take two

2007-05-04 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
Is your always_populate_raw_post_data enabled? Also, have you tried accessing the data from php://input ? On 4-May-07, at 4:18 PM, Dirk Haun wrote: I believe this is a bug in PHP 5.2.2. I've tried to report this for PHP 5.2.2RC2 but apparently wasn't making myself clear or wasn't

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bug? Raw POST data in PHP 5.2.2, take two

2007-05-04 Thread Dirk Haun
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: Is your always_populate_raw_post_data enabled? Yes: ; Always populate the $HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA variable. always_populate_raw_post_data = On As I already said: On or Off doesn't seem to make a difference. Also, have you tried accessing the data from php://input ? I

Re: [PHP-DEV] mail() logging for PHP

2007-05-04 Thread Mathieu Gagné
Hi, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: I am going to finalize the patch and add it to 5.2.2 in the coming weeks. Ilia There is no trace of such patch in PHP 5.2.2 changelog. Any news on it? Thanks. Mathieu -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: