Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 1 topic

2014-06-11 Thread Joel Neely
Lua is the programming language under the Codea app on the iPad, and has been used as the language to write games publishable on that platform. I have Java on my Raspberry Pi, and it runs fine. Obviously I won't be running a large exposed database on it (due to storage capacity limits) or doing

Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 1 topic

2014-06-11 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:16:24 +0200, Joel Neely joel.ne...@gmail.com wrote: Lua is the programming language under the Codea app on the iPad, and has been used as the language to write games publishable on that platform. If I'm not wrong Lua is also used by Adobe Lightroom, for the UI

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread clay
On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:47:13 PM UTC-5, Josh Berry wrote: Apologies, I was a definitely too absolute in my claim. I was more just going on admittedly anecdotal evidence that most truly cross platform applications that aren't a) ugly, or b) dog slow are not written in Java and

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread clay
On Friday, June 6, 2014 12:31:34 PM UTC-5, KWright wrote: Nope! C or Idris, I'll also accept Assembler. and Scala's the least bad you can get if otherwise tied to the JVM. :) I completely understand why you prefer Idris/Haskell over Scala and Scala over Java. But why on Earth would you

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread Josh Berry
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:23 AM, clay claytonw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:47:13 PM UTC-5, Josh Berry wrote: Apologies, I was a definitely too absolute in my claim. I was more just going on admittedly anecdotal evidence that most truly cross platform applications that

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread Ricky Clarkson
I'm not saying I agree, but there are reasons. C works. You aren't going to get a compiler segfault, then discover a debugger bug while trying to debug the compiler, then fix that only to find that your build tool doesn't work when your path contains spaces, and then find that you can't read MP3

Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 1 topic

2014-06-11 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
LUA is the default scripting language for most video games these days (including World of Warcraft) because it's trivial to embed, crazy fast and quite a reasonable language in the C family category. -- Cédric On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:25:15 +0200, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote: IDEs are an interesting bag, though. Eclipse had to invent their own toolkit to come close to making it work. And, I have not heard anyone True, but this happened ages ago. In the meantime, native Java UIs are ok

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread clay
Your reasons for preferring C are stability and long term longevity? Are those factors really that important? If a language only lasts 40 years rather than 100 or 1000 years, do you actually care? Like in a roaches will outlast human kind sort of way? Is stability the big thing holding you

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread Ricky Clarkson
Holy moly. I was explaining (my interpretation of) Kevin's assertion that he'd go for C. I even started with I'm not saying I agree. I don't really have a strong opinion, but I'm not going to pre-judge a group who has developed in C for the reasons I gave. C++, sure, I'll pre-judge you if you're

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread Jess Holle
C is essentially the recognized, practical high-level portable assembler language. It's the closest thing to assembler that allows production of portable source code that has been proven to work for developing a huge range of software (drivers, operating systems, embedded control, servers,

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread Kevin Wright
Yes. Exactly what Jess said! With the best will in the world, I'd never even consider writing e.g. a device driver in Scala. Nor code for an embedded device with tightly constrained resources. C is small, well-defined, and can produce some incredibly tiny executables. It focuses tightly on

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread Ricky Clarkson
I was looking into xcode 6 last night, the bit about being a paid-up developer is right, but apparently only while it's in beta. So Kevin, are you the English guy with the strong regional accent on the roundups? I can't remember which accent, Newcastle or Cornwall or something. On Wed, Jun 11,

Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?

2014-06-11 Thread Kevin Wright
The English guy you're probably thinking of is Peter Pilgrim. This is my (and London's) first roundup. It'll appear on the podcast sooner or later. We have video too! On 11 Jun 2014 23:37, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote: I was looking into xcode 6 last night, the bit about being