Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Paul Norman
From: Pavel Pisa [mailto:ppisa4li...@pikron.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:01 AM To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data I (for myself strongly demand) that my former and future change sets can be exported from OSM under CC-BY-SA but I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by convince people to add the odbl clause to people providing data. I mean I asked people to give us the data under cc-by-sa, and now i would have to go back and ask for the odbl

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: that is different than to ask for the CT which is my eyes basically a copyright assignment to the osmf, I cannot understand that or explain And to add in one more point, I dont want to have to go back again and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: This is a good reason to have contributor terms. the contributor terms introduce more problems, like the fact that it prevents anyone from importing any derived works. lets say i download the new cc-by-sa+odbl

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mistake in French translation of the CT

2012-09-20 Thread Michael Collinson
On 20/09/2012 16:32, Pieren wrote: Hi legal-list, I would like to point out an error in your French translation of the CT: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/FR compared to its original (http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms). Section 3. says

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mistake in French translation of the CT

2012-09-20 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: None of us speak good French though, if anyone would like to provide an accurate translation, I would be grateful. I would suggest: par une majorité de 2/3 des contributeurs actifs. instead of the current: par une

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Michael Collinson
On 20/09/2012 07:32, Mike Dupont wrote: Hi there, I have a question about imports and the ODBl, I see that some sources have decided to dual license the data http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue But how can some third parties data be compatible when the CT says it can change

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Michael Collinson
On 20/09/2012 09:13, Stephan Knauss wrote: On 20.09.2012 07:32, Mike Dupont wrote: How can a contributor import any data and keep the data open to license change? How can you keep any imports at all from people who have not agreed to the CT directly? I agree with you in this point. If we

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: () The CTs where written carefully to say, If you contribute Contents, You are indicating that, as far as You know, You have the right to authorize OSMF to use and distribute those Contents under our current licence

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Stephan Knauss
Mike Dupont writes: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: This is a good reason to have contributor terms. the contributor terms introduce more problems, like the fact that it prevents anyone from importing any derived works. lets say i download the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Alex Barth
On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:13 AM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: On 20.09.2012 07:32, Mike Dupont wrote: How can a contributor import any data and keep the data open to license change? How can you keep any imports at all from people who have not agreed to the CT directly? I agree

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
Bekim, I have been working on understanding the new license even today. it is cc-by-sa + database rights (odbl) + the right for osm to change the licence at will in the future. basically you need to grant the osm the rights to use the data, Michael can give you more info about this, thanks,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
I dont understand that myself, it seems a bit fuzzy to me but this is the right mailing list and I hope you will get some feedback, thanks mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Ok but I don't know how to go about and do that! That's my problem. Where

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
that sounds more like my conclusion, it is the end of the road for share alike and sharing for osm. basically it is turning into a dead end road. well guys please help bekim, i have sent him to you, mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Mike, I think we should

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Rob Myers
On 09/20/2012 08:46 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: that sounds more like my conclusion, it is the end of the road for share alike and sharing for osm. basically it is turning into a dead end road. What in the hoof are you talking about? - Rob. ___