Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Anthony, Anthony wrote: I think that the people count more than the data they contribute. That's a good statement. I'm happy that you have finally come to understand what this project is about! I was beginning to think you might just be here for the fun of the argument, whatever argument it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Andrzej, andrzej zaborowski wrote: So 300 mappers' work is not something we should make a fuss about? Let's put it this way: If 300 mappers are enough to put in a veto against the CT or the license change then we can stop right now, because I am pretty sure that *whatever* you do (even if

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-20 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 08:03:37AM +1000, John Smith wrote: On 20 August 2010 07:57, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: They can use the data the same as anyone can. My believe in share alike long predates CloudMade and OpenStreetMap. I think most problems currently with the CT is because

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-20 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anyway, the number of people who have submitted nearmap changesets is 121, the total number of people who haved edited in Australia is 2752; so while NearMap-affected data may be up to 10% of Australia, NearMap-using

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-20 Thread Francis Davey
On 20 August 2010 09:21, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: So you *need* CT in which the contributor basically signs over his data to OSMF who then make a database from it. Has anyone given much thought to how this works for the sui generis database right of the European Union? In other

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 August 2010 18:21, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: In my eyes the ODbL and CT are part and parcel and I refer to both as the license change. I don't think that you can separate them. Is that because you don't think people will swallow the CTs unless they are a package deal? The

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: In my eyes the ODbL and CT are part and parcel and I refer to both as the license change. I don't think that you can separate them. Is that because you don't think people will swallow the CTs unless they are a package deal? No, my statement above is not politically or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Francis Davey wrote: Has anyone given much thought to how this works for the sui generis database right of the European Union? Certainly the EU hasn't, the whole database right is written for a world where company X pays employees to gather data. I am wondering (as others have

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: (Not, of course, this particular version of the CT, if that's what you're Exactly... you are trying to sell us a particular happy meal that isn't making us happy... us being...? And I'm not trying to sell anything. If you agree that some for of CT is required, and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-20 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: My apologies. In that case: My main problem is that we're having this discussion now, when the CT were finalised in June, instead of before that. Which discussion? It looks to me like we did have this discussion before

[OSM-legal-talk] It's a shame

2010-08-20 Thread Nick Hocking
Next week I will be visiting the Adelaide Hills (South Australia) and was planning to resurvey Mt Barker in order to add the street names to a lot of roads that have not yet had them tagged. However to do so at this stage would be pointless since eithe of two of the three previous editors could

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-20 Thread Liz
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Hi, On 20 August 2010 03:09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: one million objects is really not something we should make a big fuss about. [...] After the Haiti earthquake, 1 million objects were traced by 300 people in two weeks.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] It's a shame

2010-08-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 August 2010 21:30, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: It is for this reason that I believe clause 3 of the CT is essential. This current situation must not be allowed to happen again. The problem is the scope of section 3, not it's existence.