Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-10 Thread Al Billings
Clearly not a battle I'm going to win in any sense with this audience but, really, the current Internet (for many many reasons) is pretty broken in places (and I don't just mean Facebook) when you turn off JS. We talk about this at work a lot and even amongst my peers with NoScript installed,

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-10 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
On 9/9/13 2:55 PM, Al Billings wrote: I suggest your use of the net is well outside the mainstream, even amongst security folks. Some of us actually use social networking, for example, or don't want ugly, half broken websites simply because we fear a JavaScript zero day. Hi Al, big fan. I

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-10 Thread Shelley
Maybe I just don't have the broken Internets problem very often, or I don't notice it. I can use important sites such as my email provider's web interface (when I'm not near my regular email client) and my credit union's mobile site without enabling scripts, so there really isn't much I'm going

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Axel Simon
Hi, Am I the only one for whom the page is hidden behind an annoying sign up overlay? axel Le 2013-09-09 05:12, Shava Nerad a écrit : As far as I am concerned it is not. I might have posted the link if you had not brought it to our attention. Thank you. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:36

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread phryk
On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:23:30 +0200 Axel Simon axelsi...@axelsimon.net wrote: Hi, Am I the only one for whom the page is hidden behind an annoying sign up overlay? axel Nope, I got that too. You can remove it with the developer tools/firebug. A bit disappointing that they go all HEY

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Al Billings
Which can be dismissed with a click normally... -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Monday, September 9, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Axel Simon wrote: Hi, Am I the only one for whom the page is hidden behind an annoying “sign up” overlay? axel Le 2013-09-09 05:12, Shava Nerad a

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread phryk
On other sites, yes - that's what I'm used to. But on this site I didn't see anything that even remotely resembles anything approximating a close button; Clicking besides the popup won't do anything either. -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 12:50:49PM +0200, phryk wrote: http://cryptome.org/2013/09/nsa-cowboy.htm 9 September 2013 The Cowboy of the NSA Keith Alexander

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Noah Shachtman
Wired -- my old employer -- did publish a NSA story recently, concentrating on Ft. Meade's new-ish offensive push. But I'm not sure it was really a profile in the classic sense. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Joseph Mornin jos...@mornin.org wrote: Wired also did a profile:

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Noah Shachtman
Guys: I know the registration wall can be a bit of a pain. Asa reader, I'm not nuts about them, either. But these measures really are important to FP's long-term financial health. Anyway, in the future, let me see if I can get links I post to Libtech white-listed, so you guys don't have to go

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread liberationtech
On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:23:30 +0200 Axel Simon axelsi...@axelsimon.net wrote: Am I the only one for whom the page is hidden behind an annoying sign up overlay? If you disable javascript for the site there is no overlay. If you selectively block javascript from anything not fp.com, the overlay

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Leif Ryge
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:15:02AM -0400, liberationt...@lewman.us wrote: On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:23:30 +0200 Axel Simon axelsi...@axelsimon.net wrote: Am I the only one for whom the page is hidden behind an annoying sign up overlay? If you disable javascript for the site there is no

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Al Billings
Have fun tilting that windmill, Mr. Quixote. Like it or not, to fully use websites at this point, you generally need things like Javascript and CSS. The reason that most folks, even security folks like the ones I work with, don't run with NoScript on all the time is that it breaks the net as

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Shelley
It may be outside the mainstream, but so is our interest in-- and understanding of-- security and privacy issues. nbsp;Judging by the millions who download these tools, I am not alone in wanting to block scripts and tracking. I'll save my security researchers using social media (outside of

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Shelley
gt;gt;Like it or not, to fully use websites at this point, you generally need things like Javascript and CSS. I disagree. nbsp;Not only do I want the protection from .js vulnerabilites and tracking when I browse, I just want the text. nbsp;Not a bunch of useless social media buttons and

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Al Billings
I suggest your use of the net is well outside the mainstream, even amongst security folks. Some of us actually use social networking, for example, or don't want ugly, half broken websites simply because we fear a JavaScript zero day. Al -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Monday,

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 09/09/2013 12:50 PM, Al Billings wrote: Have fun tilting that windmill, Mr. Quixote. Like it or not, to fully use websites at this point, you generally need things like Javascript and CSS. The reason that most folks, even security folks like the ones I work with, don't run with NoScript on

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Shava Nerad
I clicked, I got the article no problem, I read the article and enjoyed it with the sick fascination we tend to read these things. Odd to think of FP as sort of tabloid celebrity profile of the monsters of the field, eh? ;) I reposted it on G+ with the comment: === *Foreign Policy frames

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Yosem Companys
I'm kind of surprised FP's javascript is the main topic of discussion around this article. Thank you FP and Shane Harris for this very informative article! Second that. This is why we regularly tweet FP content because the FP is one of the best sources for liberationtech-like news out there.

[liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-08 Thread Noah Shachtman
All: Sorry if this is considered spamming the list - if it is, it won't happen again. At Foreign Policy, we just published what I believe is the first major profile of NSA chief Keith Alexander. It is not a particularly flattering one. One scooplet among many in Shane Harris' nearly

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-08 Thread Shava Nerad
As far as I am concerned it is not. I might have posted the link if you had not brought it to our attention. Thank you. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Noah Shachtman noah.shacht...@gmail.comwrote: All: Sorry if this is considered spamming the list - if it is, it won't happen again. At

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-08 Thread Joseph Mornin
Wired also did a profile: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/general-keith-alexander-cyberwar/all/ On 9/8/13 8:12 PM, Shava Nerad wrote: As far as I am concerned it is not. I might have posted the link if you had not brought it to our attention. Thank you. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at