RE: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-13 Thread Philip Thomas
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 at 18:37:00 +0200 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: The overall more convex shape of women lends itself better for smooth light gradients lending plasticity to a two-dimensional rendition. When aiming for a more abstract rather than an anatomical impression of beauty, the

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-13 Thread David Kastrup
Philip Thomas philip.tho...@bluewin.ch writes: On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 at 18:37:00 +0200 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Anyway, I did once beat a dead horse for a while (I tried getting it to stand up again, as the first thought after it had collapsed with a sudden aorta rupture on the riding

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-12 Thread Mike Blackstock
lol On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.cawrote: I don't drink beer. - Graham :) On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:40:52AM -0400, Mike Blackstock wrote: ok,ok, ok - I'll remove the model, you guys win. sigh. It's not a real Debian ad? What a shame,

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-12 Thread Mike Blackstock
At the risk of 'beating a dead horse' that has nothing to do with Lilypond, but you put some thought into remarks below and so here's a reply and then can me move on to any feed-back about the online compiler, file-manager and so on? Scantily-clad model on page matter is closed, it was

RE: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-12 Thread Philip Thomas
On Thursday 12 July 2012 David Kastrup wrote: The Debian ad goes to a bit more effort than depicting an arbitrary snapshot of a woman in a swimsuit. And I still don't see them pulling this off convincingly either. I can imagine, speaking for myself but not for St Thomas Aquinas, that many

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-12 Thread David Kastrup
Josiah Boothby josi...@gmail.com writes: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I agree. It reminds me of sleazy 1990s CD-roms selling shareware sofware. Good thing Lilypond is good enough on its own grounds that I can suggest it to people without sending them to gatekeepers who

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-12 Thread David Kastrup
Philip Thomas philip.tho...@bluewin.ch writes: On Thursday 12 July 2012 David Kastrup wrote: The Debian ad goes to a bit more effort than depicting an arbitrary snapshot of a woman in a swimsuit. And I still don't see them pulling this off convincingly either. I can imagine, speaking for

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-12 Thread Nick Payne
On 12/07/12 18:59, David Kastrup wrote: Philip Thomas philip.tho...@bluewin.ch writes: On Thursday 12 July 2012 David Kastrup wrote: The Debian ad goes to a bit more effort than depicting an arbitrary snapshot of a woman in a swimsuit. And I still don't see them pulling this off

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-12 Thread @tiredpixel
On 11/07/12 22:09, @tiredpixel wrote: On 11/07/12 15:38, Mike Blackstock wrote: I have a Lilypond 'Cloud' web service to announce shortly as well, if anyone wants to have a look. It's at http://cloud.blackstockweb.ca - email login 'guest' password 'guest' It's functional enough for people to

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-12 Thread James Harkins
At Thu, 12 Jul 2012 05:23:43 -0400, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: From: Mike Blackstock Subject: Re: tunefl and other web services Interesting - 'aiming for a depiction of beauty or a pretty woman' - they're mutually exclusive? I was aiming for a depiction of beauty, and chose

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-12 Thread David Kastrup
James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com writes: At Thu, 12 Jul 2012 05:23:43 -0400, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: From: Mike Blackstock Subject: Re: tunefl and other web services Interesting - 'aiming for a depiction of beauty or a pretty woman' - they're mutually exclusive? I was aiming

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-12 Thread Timothy Reeves
I don't drink beer. - Graham :) On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:40:52AM -0400, Mike Blackstock wrote: * ok,ok, ok - I'll remove the model, you guys win. sigh. * * ** It's not a real Debian ad? What a shame, it should be. * * ** I'm going for a beer - let's agree on that at least ? * * ** ;)

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Blackstock
I have a Lilypond 'Cloud' web service to announce shortly as well, if anyone wants to have a look. It's at http://cloud.blackstockweb.ca - email login 'guest' password 'guest' It's functional enough for people to be able to upload their Lilypond projects and be able to work on them and show them

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Colin Jesse Kinlund
On Jul 11, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Mike Blackstock wrote: Nothing wrong in using beauty to promote beautiful engraving, I say :) First off, great job with what I played around with — a “Google Docs for Lilypond” is certainly nice to have. Compiling felt as fast or faster than compiling locally, in

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Colin Jesse Kinlund colinkinl...@gmail.com writes: On Jul 11, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Mike Blackstock wrote: Nothing wrong in using beauty to promote beautiful engraving, I say :) First off, great job with what I played around with — a “Google Docs for Lilypond” is certainly nice to

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:26 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: The sample page for the Brandenburg concerto is good for about a dozen issue reports in the category Ugly concerning triplet number placements. For a project selling itself as focused on beautiful engraving, we sure have a

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 07:40:58PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: and you can see a nice old/new comparison here: http://news.lilynet.net/IMG/gif/clef_comparison.gif). -snip- PS concerning the girl, she's pretty indeed, but some of the /priests/ using Lily might have a problem with that :) I

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: PS concerning the girl, she's pretty indeed, but some of the /priests/ using Lily might have a problem with that :) She is about as relevant to music typesetting as a spotted flycatcher. Probably less so, since the latter is at least unmistakenly

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com; lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:00 PM Subject: Re: tunefl and other web services Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread David Rogers
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: PS concerning the girl, she's pretty indeed, but some of the /priests/ using Lily might have a problem with that :) I'm not a priest. However, I still don't like the picture. I don't mean that I disapprove, I mean that I don't think it looks

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:03:45PM -0700, David Rogers wrote: I'm not a priest. However, I still don't like the picture. I agree. It reminds me of sleazy 1990s CD-roms selling shareware sofware. I don't think that's the best possible impression Lilypond can give. Fortunately, that website

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: She is about as relevant to music typesetting as a spotted flycatcher. Probably less so, since the latter is at least unmistakenly a songbird. Here's a low res photo of one sitting on my weather station. Their song's not great, tho... I agree that

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Josiah Boothby
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:03:45 -0700 David Rogers davidandrewrog...@gmail.com wrote: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: PS concerning the girl, she's pretty indeed, but some of the /priests/ using Lily might have a problem with that :) I'm not a priest. However, I still

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Blackstock
Thanks @tiredpixel. Yes, I've been in situations where it's been good to have projects online, like a 'Google Docs' kind of thing. It's happened a couple of times that people have asked me 'What Lilypond?' and I've been able to demo compilation and so on right there, from a public computer. You

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Blackstock
Left-hand clefs - just temporary expedience, I grabbed them from somewhere. Will eliminate them or replace with Lilypond clefs. Brandenberg - again, expedience. Grabbed from mutopia. Will replace examples with the ones from the manual. Cheers, and thanks! M On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:40 PM,

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Blackstock
Samantha sings too. Seriously though, the idea was to have the model be a personification of Aquinas' definition, and tie in 'beauty' of that sort with the beauty of Lilypond. I think it works, but I removed her on subsequent pages, which was overdoing it. M. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM,

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Blackstock
I disagree that the name suggests an affiliation, but no matter, I'm in the process of dropping 'Lilypond' from the name. 'Music Engraving IDE' works. M. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.cawrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:03:45PM -0700, David Rogers

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Blackstock
I agree. As I pointed out, the model was meant to personify Aquinas' definition of 'beauty' and tie that in with the beauty of Lilypond. We disagree on what 'sleaze' is. Not how 'gatekeeper' comes into play and as for marketing - well, this is free, and I'm defering to the judgment of the Debian

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Blackstock
Thank you all for your comments I'm gonna: 1) replace left-hand clefs with Lilypond clefs ( or just remove them ); 2) remove examples and find better one (or just remove examples period) 3) Remove Lilypond from the name. Cheers, and thanks again, Mike On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Mike

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com writes: Samantha sings too. Seriously though, the idea was to have the model be a personification of Aquinas' definition, and tie in 'beauty' of that sort with the beauty of Lilypond. I think it works, Nope. To pull this off even remotely, you

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com writes: I agree. As I pointed out, the model was meant to personify Aquinas' definition of 'beauty' and tie that in with the beauty of Lilypond. We disagree on what 'sleaze' is. Not how 'gatekeeper' comes into play and as for marketing - well, this is

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Blackstock
I seem to be relishing in your bluntness - cute - so let me return the favor. The women is a top Toronto model with her own agency; I'll take her tastes over yours, thanks. What your taste in women is - and who knows what*that* is, I shudder to contemplate it - doesn't concern me; ditto with

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Blackstock
all in fun ;) No offence intended, none taken. ;) M. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: I seem to be relishing in your bluntness - cute - so let me return the favor. The women is a top Toronto model with her own agency; I'll take her tastes

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 05:57:02AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com writes: I agree. As I pointed out, the model was meant to personify Aquinas' definition of 'beauty' and tie that in with the beauty of Lilypond. We disagree on what 'sleaze' is. Not

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Christopher R. Maden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/12/2012 12:04 AM, Mike Blackstock wrote: I seem to be relishing in your bluntness - cute - so let me return the favor. The women is a top Toronto model with her own agency; I'll take her tastes over yours, thanks. What your taste in women

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Blackstock
ok,ok, ok - I'll remove the model, you guys win. sigh. It's not a real Debian ad? What a shame, it should be. I'm going for a beer - let's agree on that at least ? ;) -Mike On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.cawrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 05:57:02AM

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread Graham Percival
I don't drink beer. - Graham :) On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:40:52AM -0400, Mike Blackstock wrote: ok,ok, ok - I'll remove the model, you guys win. sigh. It's not a real Debian ad? What a shame, it should be. I'm going for a beer - let's agree on that at least ? ;)

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com writes: I seem to be relishing in your bluntness - cute - so let me return the favor. The women is a top Toronto model with her own agency; I'll take her tastes over yours, thanks. What your taste in women is - and who knows what*that* is, I shudder

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 05:57:02AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com writes: I agree. As I pointed out, the model was meant to personify Aquinas' definition of 'beauty' and tie that in with the beauty of

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/07/12 06:10, David Kastrup wrote: This is not a question of reinterpretation or optional. When I referred to being able to interpret a GPLv2 or later work as GPLv3, it's not _my_ interpretation -- it's an explicit permission granted by the wording of the license grant. This

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-07 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 07/07/12 06:10, David Kastrup wrote: This is not a question of reinterpretation or optional. When I referred to being able to interpret a GPLv2 or later work as GPLv3, it's not _my_ interpretation -- it's an explicit permission

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/07/12 19:44, David Kastrup wrote: But you can't link GPLv2 or later code with both GPLv2-only and GPLv3-code, and once you link with either, the choice is fixed. Why is that relevant to LilyPond, which is already licensed under GPLv3 or later?

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 05/07/12 22:03, David Kastrup wrote: It also means bad compatibility with GPL. And a license change. What's the bad compatibility you have in mind? AGPLv3 is compatible with any code licensed GPLv2 or later. LilyPond is already on GPLv3 or later, which has the same issues with

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-06 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 05/07/12 22:03, David Kastrup wrote: It also means bad compatibility with GPL. And a license change. What's the bad compatibility you have in mind? AGPLv3 is compatible with any code licensed GPLv2 or later. I don't see that

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 06/07/12 14:49, David Kastrup wrote: I don't see that GPLv2 permits additional restrictions to be added to the work as a whole. The requirement to make the source available to anybody using a service supplied by the software is an additional restriction. GPLv2 or later means that you can

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-06 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 06/07/12 14:49, David Kastrup wrote: I don't see that GPLv2 permits additional restrictions to be added to the work as a whole. The requirement to make the source available to anybody using a service supplied by the software is

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 11:29:28AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Do we know about http://tunefl.com ? Also, should we be mentioning commercial services like scorio.com on our website? Commercial services are

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 10:11:09AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Commercial services are ok, but non-Free software is not. The GNU coding standards are quite clear on this: A GNU program should not

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 03:57:00PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: A GNU program should not recommend, promote, or grant legitimacy to the use of any non-free program. Proprietary software is a social and ethical problem, and our aim is to

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-05 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 03:57:00PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: A GNU program should not recommend, promote, or grant legitimacy to the use of any non-free program. Proprietary software is a

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-05 Thread Tim Roberts
Graham Percival wrote: Commercial services are ok, but non-Free software is not. The GNU coding standards are quite clear on this: A GNU program should not recommend, promote, or grant legitimacy to the use of any non-free program. Proprietary software is a social and ethical problem, and

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-05 Thread David Kastrup
Tim Roberts t...@probo.com writes: Graham Percival wrote: Commercial services are ok, but non-Free software is not. The GNU coding standards are quite clear on this: A GNU program should not recommend, promote, or grant legitimacy to the use of any non-free program. Proprietary software

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:41 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: The GNU Manifesto is also not a legal statement, but a philosophical one. LilyPond is a GNU project and thus has subscribed to this philosophy. I did not remember plans to change that, and it is not like it has served us

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-05 Thread David Kastrup
Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net writes: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:41 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: The GNU Manifesto is also not a legal statement, but a philosophical one. LilyPond is a GNU project and thus has subscribed to this philosophy. I did not remember plans to

tunefl and other web services

2012-07-04 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Hi Do we know about http://tunefl.com ? Also, should we be mentioning commercial services like scorio.com on our website? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl

Re: tunefl and other web services

2012-07-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 11:29:28AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Do we know about http://tunefl.com ? Also, should we be mentioning commercial services like scorio.com on our website? Commercial services are ok, but non-Free software is not. The GNU coding standards are quite clear on