Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Kris Van Hees
Would it not be sufficient to create the NSS with just the boot disk and maybe swap configured in on the kernel parameter line, and then using something very early on in the boot process to add the other disks using /proc/dasd/devices? It might take some work to get the NSS and RO boot disk just

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread David Boyes
]On Behalf Of Kris Van Hees Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More NSS Info Would it not be sufficient to create the NSS with just the boot disk and maybe swap configured in on the kernel parameter line, and then using something very early on in the boot

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Kris Van Hees
for ideas. -- db David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390;VM.MARIST.EDU]On Behalf Of Kris Van Hees Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More NSS Info Would it not be sufficient

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Rick Troth
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, David Boyes wrote: Much as I dislike Solaris, their diskless workstation filesystem layout is a pretty good model for this. We should use that as a model for ideas. They also demonstrated the first shared /usr implementation. They also do something I call folding (for

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Stephen Frazier
PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-linux-390;VM.MARIST.EDU]On Behalf Of Kris Van Hees Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:00 AM To: Linux on 390 Port Subject: Re: More NSS Info Would it not be sufficient to create the NSS with just the boot disk and maybe swap configured in on the kernel parameter line

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Rick Troth
If you use the cmsfs stuff, that information can all be on the 191 disk and read by the startup scripts. What about a CMSFS that can do directories and specials (device files) akin to the UMSDOS hack?

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Rick Troth
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Kris Van Hees wrote: Despite what Sun Microsystems did with linking /usr/bin and /usr/sbin into the root filesystem as /bin and /sbin, a more sensible setup is still to have the core utilities that are required to boot a system (and to do basic maintenance) as part of the

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Adam Thornton
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 10:58:30AM -0600, Rick Troth wrote: If you use the cmsfs stuff, that information can all be on the 191 disk and read by the startup scripts. What about a CMSFS that can do directories and specials (device files) akin to the UMSDOS hack? If you create a CMS

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Kris Van Hees
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 01:15:01PM -0500, Adam Thornton wrote: On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 10:58:30AM -0600, Rick Troth wrote: If you use the cmsfs stuff, that information can all be on the 191 disk and read by the startup scripts. What about a CMSFS that can do directories and

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Malcolm Beattie
David Boyes writes: You would need at least one non-root/swap address mounted as /config or something for storing the configuration of what goes where, and you'd have to move at least a few of the utilities (eg mount, ifconfig, etc) from /usr to /sbin (generating statically linked versions)

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 11:23:25AM -0500, David Boyes wrote: You would need at least one non-root/swap address mounted as /config or something for storing the configuration of what goes where, and you'd have to move at least a few of the utilities (eg mount, ifconfig, etc) from /usr to /sbin

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 10:52:52AM -0600, Rick Troth wrote: On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, David Boyes wrote: Much as I dislike Solaris, their diskless workstation filesystem layout is a pretty good model for this. We should use that as a model for ideas. They also demonstrated the first shared

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 12:24:13PM -0500, Kris Van Hees wrote: I would *love* to see a CMSFS that can support things like device files so we can finally put /dev somewhere other than the root filesystem, so / can truly be made RO. I worked on that using initrd, but cmsfs would be so much

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread David Boyes
You would need at least one non-root/swap address mounted as /config or something for storing the configuration of what goes where, and you'd have to move at least a few of the utilities (eg mount, ifconfig, etc) from /usr to /sbin (generating statically linked versions) and include

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Kris Van Hees
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 02:16:47PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 12:24:13PM -0500, Kris Van Hees wrote: I would *love* to see a CMSFS that can support things like device files so we can finally put /dev somewhere other than the root filesystem, so / can truly be made

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 03:09:54PM -0500, Kris Van Hees wrote: I worked on a RO / before (presented briefly at SHARE in TN), and unfortunately Linux has (or had - they may have fixed it) a C library that usesthe Unix domain socket /dev/log for syslog handling, and that one is created

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Rick Troth
If you create a CMS file called PROGRA~1 DIR I'll have to murder you. ;-) Just so you know. Other than that, sure, sounds like a plan--I assume you mean that you use some filesystem convention like a file which always has some particular name, which contains a CMS filename to Unix

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 02:44:19PM -0500, David Boyes wrote: What distribution are you using which places these utilities in /usr? Sorry, finger check. I date back far enough that everything was in or near /usr... thanks. Meant to say from their default location. I do not date back very far

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Rick Troth
This folding, as far as I know, is just a couple of symlinks, from /bin to /usr/bin and from /lib to /usr/lib. Doing the same thing on a typical Linux Specifically, running 'ls -l' in root, you see bin - usr/bin lib - usr/lib If memory serves, you do NOT

Re: More NSS Info

2002-11-08 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine And if you murder him, I'll be forced to use my Jedi Knight functions to send you to Kessel. Just going along with it, Rick. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with