maintenance strategy

2003-09-30 Thread Phil Hodgson
Has anyone any thoughts (sensible or otherwise) about keeping a penguin colony up to date with it's software? We have a SuSE base system from which we cut all new systems. I try to keep the base system up to date. The problems come when a) we have to roll out a fix to all our systems. I don't

adding dasd under SUSE Enterprise 8...

2003-09-30 Thread Brian France
Can someone please point me in the right direction. I've installed SUSE 8 under VM 4.3. During the install I used three DASD, a,b, and c. I want to add another file system on different dasd, format it and add a mount point. I can't for the life of me find where. I thought YAST would be the spot,

Re: adding dasd under SUSE Enterprise 8...

2003-09-30 Thread Phil Hodgson
Simple way is to amend the zipl.conf to add the vm address of the minidisk e.g. parameters='dasd=0999,0300-0303, root=/dev/dasdb1 noinitrd add your new disk to the end as the order is important. Then run zipl and reboot. Cat /proc/dasd/devices to see that it is there and check what

Re: adding dasd under SUSE Enterprise 8...

2003-09-30 Thread Marian Gasparovic
You can even do it dynamically without IPL by something like echo add device range=xxx-yyy /proc/dasd/devices Both scenarios are well documented in Linux for S/390: Device Drivers and Installation Commands Marian --- Phil Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simple way is to amend the zipl.conf to

Re: adding dasd under SUSE Enterprise 8...

2003-09-30 Thread Post, Mark K
Please, please, please. Don't tell people they need to reboot just to add DASD. That is simply not the case with 2.4 kernels. echo add device range=addr1-addr2 /proc/dasd/devices dasdfmt mke2fs update /etc/zipl.conf zipl Done. Now, updated the initrd is

Re: adding dasd under SUSE Enterprise 8...

2003-09-30 Thread Post, Mark K
Brian, http://linuxvm.org/Info/l390link.html - Linux for S/390 Device Drivers and Installation Commands (Linux Kernel 2.4) which should be at http://www10.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/linux390/docu/l390dd 08.pdf Also, take a look at http://linuxvm.org/present/SHARE100/S9346mp.pdf

Re: maintenance strategy

2003-09-30 Thread Post, Mark K
If you're willing to spend a considerable chunk of money, there are commercial products that will help you with this from Linuxcare and BMC. If not, then things get quite a bit harder. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Phil Hodgson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September

Re: z/VM and VMware

2003-09-30 Thread Tobleman, Vicky
We're considering partitioning larger Intel servers using VMware and setting up our Linux environments ... production and development. Is anyone else doing this - have any experiences to share? Pros/Cons? And is 6 servers per engine consolidation reasonable (i.e., 4 engines would equate to 24

Re: maintenance strategy

2003-09-30 Thread David Boyes
If not, then things get quite a bit harder. It does take some planning. One approach I've used is to set up local APT repositories for different classes of applications, ie: local-arch-stable == things that every server should have; security patches, common applications like system management

Re: z/VM and VMware

2003-09-30 Thread Adam Thornton
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 09:39, Tobleman, Vicky wrote: We're considering partitioning larger Intel servers using VMware and setting up our Linux environments ... production and development. Is anyone else doing this - have any experiences to share? Pros/Cons? And is 6 servers per engine

Re: [IP] more on the SCO-IBM lawsuit (from an unlikely source)

2003-09-30 Thread Ryan Ware
This article speaks about that article and the topic of indemnification http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/31702.html -Original Message- From: David Boyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: [IP] more on the

Re: z/VM and VMware

2003-09-30 Thread Coffin Michael C
I looked at VMWare and liked it, I liked it a lot - but it doesn't really present a virtual machine with virtual hardware like mainframe VM does, at least not 100%. Among the problems (which were significant for my intended use of it) are the fact that there is NO support for PCMCIA devices, and

Re: z/VM and VMware

2003-09-30 Thread Adam Thornton
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:30, Coffin Michael C wrote: I looked at VMWare and liked it, I liked it a lot - but it doesn't really present a virtual machine with virtual hardware like mainframe VM does, at least not 100%. Among the problems (which were significant for my intended use of it) are

Re: z/VM and VMware

2003-09-30 Thread Chris Cox
Tobleman, Vicky wrote: We're considering partitioning larger Intel servers using VMware and setting up our Linux environments ... production and development. Is anyone else doing this - have any experiences to share? Pros/Cons? And is 6 servers per engine consolidation reasonable (i.e., 4

Re: maintenance strategy

2003-09-30 Thread Chris Cox
Phil Hodgson wrote: Has anyone any thoughts (sensible or otherwise) about keeping a penguin colony up to date with it's software? We have a SuSE base system from which we cut all new systems. I try to keep the base system up to date. The problems come when a) we have to roll out a fix to all our

Re: maintenance strategy

2003-09-30 Thread Kern, Thomas
One important assumption is that NONE of your servers share any DASD through VM's read-only minidisk mechanism. This would work well for a penguin colony that has lots of DASD, but can it work for colonies that are short on DASD and already sold management on the idea of read-only DASD sharing?

Re: z/VM and VMware

2003-09-30 Thread Coffin Michael C
Hi Adam, Very true - but in my case I needed to dedicate individual NICs to virtual machines, and also had a PCMCIA device that the virtual machines needed dedicated access to. Seem like a virtual machine hypervisor needs to address real hardware access - just like mainframe VM does. Providing

Re: maintenance strategy

2003-09-30 Thread Wolfe, Gordon W
I gave a paper at SHARE in San Francisco on this very topic. You can find it at http://linuxvm.org/present/SHARE99/S9341GWa.pdf This one was written for SLES7, but should work for SLES8. I gave it again in Washington DC two months ago, updated for SLES8. I can send you a copy if you want.

Re: z/VM and VMware

2003-09-30 Thread David Boyes
Hmmm... if the goal is just to run Linux I would think UML or alternatives would be more efficent. VMware is very nice, but if they're all Linux... might as well gain back some performance (VMware is resource expensive). Keep in mind also that there are 3 generations of VMWare -- the

Re: maintenance strategy

2003-09-30 Thread David Boyes
One important assumption is that NONE of your servers share any DASD through VM's read-only minidisk mechanism. This would work well for a penguin colony that has lots of DASD, but can it work for colonies that are short on DASD and already sold management on the idea of read-only DASD

Re: z/VM and VMware

2003-09-30 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 09/30/2003 at 11:55 AST, Coffin Michael C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still not sure why they don't support PCMCIA devices - it doesn't seem like that should be so hard. Just build a pipe between the virtual machine and the hardware and let the host pass through all of the I/O's. I

MQ on zLinux

2003-09-30 Thread Lionel Dyck
We are considering consolidating 60+ MQ servers onto zLinux (across 2 IFL's). Does this seem doable? Are there network considerations with this? Currently the 60 servers reside on the same raised floor sharing the same network backbone so I don't forsee any problems but I could be wrong. thx

Re: maintenance strategy

2003-09-30 Thread Post, Mark K
Gordon's updated SHARE 101 presentation is now available on the website. http://linuxvm.org/Present/ Thanks to Gordon for his continuing contributions! Mark Post -Original Message- From: Wolfe, Gordon W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL

Re: MQ on zLinux

2003-09-30 Thread Arthur, Drew D JR [ITS]
Do those 60 MQ Servers do any real work? From our brief stint of testing with MQ on zLinux it is a resource hog CPU/MEMORY/IO. I don't have any numbers on performance, but MQ can be rather Computensive especially when using Persistency. I would have to guess that 2 IFL's may not do the trick.

Re: maintenance strategy

2003-09-30 Thread Loren Charnley, Jr.
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Re: z/VM and VMware

2003-09-30 Thread Richard Troth
Mike ... you said: I looked at VMWare and liked it, I liked it a lot - but it doesn't really present a virtual machine with virtual hardware like mainframe VM does, at least not 100%. ... I've got to take issue with this, the terminology. From the definition of virtualization that I know,

Re: MQ on zLinux

2003-09-30 Thread Rich Smrcina
As with anything Linux for zSeries, it all depends upon what these servers are doing. If there is anyway that any of the existing servers can be measured, then it would be easier to determine if they would be a good fit for the z. On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:13, Lionel Dyck wrote: We are

weird connection problem on sles8

2003-09-30 Thread Greg Smith
We finally got our z/VM license and dusted off a couple of our linux virtual machines. On our sles8 machine, we can connect to some external sites but not to others: linux04:~ # uname -a Linux linux04 2.4.19-3suse-SMP #1 SMP Mon Mar 3 14:07:59 UTC 2003 s390 unknown linux04:~ # linux04:~ # telnet

Re: weird connection problem on sles8

2003-09-30 Thread Marcy Cortes
Do you go thru a firewall? Do you have /etc/sysconfig/proxy set up if so? Marcy Cortes Wells Fargo Services Company -Original Message- From: Greg Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] weird connection problem

Re: weird connection problem on sles8

2003-09-30 Thread Adam Thornton
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 14:17, Greg Smith wrote: We finally got our z/VM license and dusted off a couple of our linux virtual machines. On our sles8 machine, we can connect to some external sites but not to others: Is ECN turned on in your IP config?

Re: z/VM and VMware

2003-09-30 Thread Lee Stewart
At 09:55 AM 9/30/2003, you wrote: Very true - but in my case I needed to dedicate individual NICs to virtual machines, and also had a PCMCIA device that the virtual machines needed dedicated access to. Seem like a virtual machine hypervisor needs to address real hardware access - just like