ELF ABI Supplements
http://www.linux-foundation.org/spec/ELF/zSeries/lzsabi0_zSeries.html This link, taken from http://refspecs.linux-foundation.org/LSB_3.2.0/LSB-Core-S390X/LSB-Core-S390X/normativerefs.html#STD.S390X.ABI, seems to end up a circular reference that does not get you to the actual spec but takes one back the Linux Standards Base home page. What are the new links to get to the S/390 and z/Architecture ELF ABI Supplements? Harold Grovesteen -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
Erik N Johnson wrote: It is an interesting question. The fact o the matter is that Linux is named after Linus Torvalds. The predominant pronounciations of Linux are: 'LINE-ix' and 'LI-nucks', but the name Linus (in Helsinki at any rate) is pronounced 'LEE-noose'. So the 'correct' pronounciation of Linux should technically be 'LEE-nukes' I counter your 'correct' pronunciation with a WAV file from Linus Torvalds. Let him decide ;) http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav -- Shawn D. Wells Lead, Linux on System z [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: +1 443-534-0130 http://www.redhat.com/z/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: question about sudo
I just turned insults on to see what was said. You are correct John a little bit of that goes a LONG way. thanks Mace --- On Thu, 9/25/08, John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: question about sudo To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 9:06 PM LJ Mace wrote: (rant on)I am trying to protect the system from an incompetent manager making a bad decision about an operator(rant off). Anyway so the operator doen't have to log into root I'm trying to setup sudo to perform several commands. To shorten the keying I have setup cmnd alias ,but when I try to execute the alias i get command not found. So here is my sudo file: Host_Alias IMAGE1 = xx.xx.xx.xxx # User alias specification User_Alias IMAGEUSR1= oper1 # Cmnd alias specification Cmnd_Alias SHUTL2 = /sbin/shutdown -r 0 Cmnd_Alias CMSDOWN = /opt/scripts/cmsshutdown.sh # Defaults specification Defaults targetpw,insults# ask for the password of the target user i.e. root Before I go further, this looks like SUSE. I think that last line is broken; anyone who knows the root password can also use su. I also do not like lecture or insults, the humour wears pretty thin after 30 iterations. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: NFS - z/OS and Linux
in addition the the good info that Stewart Thomas wrote, I would add that z/OS USS files can be tagged with a codepage. You can see this using ls -lT, and modify using the chtag command. We have USS filesystems mounted on zLinux (with default codepages in the mount command as Stewart documented) from a z/OS Server and the translation is automatic down to the individual file level. So even though we specify in the mount that translation should be from EBCDIC to ASCII I can also access files that are tagged as ASCII on the z/OS USS side. mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: question about sudo
LJ Mace wrote: I just turned insults on to see what was said. You are correct John a little bit of that goes a LONG way. Don't shoot yourself in the foot:-) -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
Shawn Wells wrote: Erik N Johnson wrote: It is an interesting question. The fact o the matter is that Linux is named after Linus Torvalds. The predominant pronounciations of Linux are: 'LINE-ix' and 'LI-nucks', but the name Linus (in Helsinki at any rate) is pronounced 'LEE-noose'. So the 'correct' pronounciation of Linux should technically be 'LEE-nukes' I counter your 'correct' pronunciation with a WAV file from Linus Torvalds. Let him decide ;) http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav That's the one I referred to. Note how similarly he pronounces Linus and Linux. I don't feel it's necessary to mimic his accent. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Update mySql on Slack/390
Thanks, I can wait. Russell Jones -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:27 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Update mySql on Slack/390 On 9/25/2008 at 12:22 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] , Jones, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- I found a s390 download on the mySql web site. The package is mysql-5.0.67-linux-s390x.tar.gz http://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.0/mysql-5.0.67-linux-s390x.t ar.gz/from/http:/mirror.trouble-free.net/mysql_mirror/ . Should that package work? Not likely, even if it weren't a 64-bit package. If you can wait a bit, I'll have one built for you. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
On 09/26/2008 09:03:54 AM, John Summerfield wrote: Shawn Wells wrote: Erik N Johnson wrote: It is an interesting question. The fact o the matter is that Linux is named after Linus Torvalds. The predominant pronounciations of Linux are: 'LINE-ix' and 'LI-nucks', but the name Linus (in Helsinki at any rate) is pronounced 'LEE-noose'. So the 'correct' pronounciation of Linux should technically be 'LEE-nukes' I counter your 'correct' pronunciation with a WAV file from Linus Torvalds. Let him decide ;) http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav That's the one I referred to. Note how similarly he pronounces Linus and Linux. I don't have a very good ear for such things, but it sounded to me as though he put more EE stress on his own name than on the kernel. About the only pronunciation I was definitely able to eliminate with that clip was LINE-ix. Douglas -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Grasshopper, Mainsoft EE
Hi, Anyone using Mainsoft Grasshopper or Mainsoft Enterprise Edition to port .NET applications to JAVA for use with Websphere Application Server, Tomcat, Resin, etc? What has been your experience as to ease, successful conversion rate, etc? Do you do a one-time conversion then all new apps are in JAVA? Or do you continue to write .Net and convert? Thanks, Craig -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Grasshopper, Mainsoft EE
What doesn't the mono environment provide to enable the apps to run? Or is it a case of WAS not knowing how to run them? On 9/26/08 12:13 PM, Kittendorf, Craig X. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Anyone using Mainsoft Grasshopper or Mainsoft Enterprise Edition to port .NET applications to JAVA for use with Websphere Application Server, Tomcat, Resin, etc? What has been your experience as to ease, successful conversion rate, etc? Do you do a one-time conversion then all new apps are in JAVA? Or do you continue to write .Net and convert? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Grasshopper, Mainsoft EE
This topic just came up. I did note that the Mainsoft is collaborating on the Mono project and I need to read up on it. The following is from the Mainsoft site: - What are the major differences between Mainsoft for Java EE and Mono? There are three primary differences between Mainsoft for Java EE and Mono: Mainsoft's runtime strategy is based on Java EE and proven enterprise quality and platform availability. Mono implements its own .NET execution engine, the Common Language Infrastructure (CLI), on several Linux and UNIX-based platforms. Mainsoft for Java EE focuses exclusively on Web and server applications, while Mono also supports desktop applications, with Gtk# and Windows.Forms. Mainsoft for Java EE is fully integrated into the Visual Studio IDE whereas Mono uses its own IDE. - Thanks for the reply, Craig -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neale Ferguson Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Grasshopper, Mainsoft EE What doesn't the mono environment provide to enable the apps to run? Or is it a case of WAS not knowing how to run them? On 9/26/08 12:13 PM, Kittendorf, Craig X. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Anyone using Mainsoft Grasshopper or Mainsoft Enterprise Edition to port .NET applications to JAVA for use with Websphere Application Server, Tomcat, Resin, etc? What has been your experience as to ease, successful conversion rate, etc? Do you do a one-time conversion then all new apps are in JAVA? Or do you continue to write .Net and convert? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Sharing data between z/OS and Linux on z/Series
I know this topic has been done before - but you never know if something new has come to pass... The subject says it all -- We know NFS works -- but we're looking for solutions outside of NFS. A customer recently asked me about 'zFS' (which appears to come from an older reference at the IBM Haifa website).. Outside of network mounts -- is anyone aware of something that allows either z/OS to read Linux filesystems directly, or vice-a-versa? (ECKD or FCP/SAN) Thanks for any suggestions! Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Grasshopper, Mainsoft EE
The .NET developer can do the development using Visual Studio and then transfer the bytecode to Mono on Linux. Mono has been running on Linux on System z for several revs and the latest version 1.9.1 has support for: ASP.NET 1.1 2.0 Web Forms Web Services Support for ASP.NET AJAX ADO.NET 1.1 2.0 SQL Server, Oracle, PostgreSQL Sybase, MySQL, DB2, SQLite, etc Win Forms 1.1 2.0 C# 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 GTK# Mike On 9/26/2008 at 11:54 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kittendorf, Craig X. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mainsoft for Java EE is fully integrated into the Visual Studio IDE whereas Mono uses its own IDE. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Linux reiserfs mounting issue - system hangs
To all that responded, You are so so smart. I increased the storage and I was amazed. The filesystem mounted. In 3270 it didn't tell you anything. It just sat there. I recovered with Upstream and have booted. I'm a happy camper. I do need to do this in a more timely manner. I have one more question though - I noticed whenever I attached the SCSI/FBA device to the linux guest the address automatically came online to the guest. I don't understand how this happens. Does anyone have any ideas??? Again, you all are very very smart. Thanks, Mary -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Sharing data between z/OS and Linux on z/Series
Rumor has it that GPFS will acquire that capability soon. Outside of network mounts -- is anyone aware of something that allows either z/OS to read Linux filesystems directly, or vice-a-versa? (ECKD or FCP/SAN) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Sharing data between z/OS and Linux on z/Series
Scott, there's an open source project called MVSDASD that provides a read only Linux device driver to flat files stored on MVS DASD; e.g., sequential z/OS datasets. It even has a page comparing it to NFS. It's web site is located here: http://www.mvsdasd.org/ Good luck. Scott Rohling wrote: I know this topic has been done before - but you never know if something new has come to pass... The subject says it all -- We know NFS works -- but we're looking for solutions outside of NFS. A customer recently asked me about 'zFS' (which appears to come from an older reference at the IBM Haifa website).. Outside of network mounts -- is anyone aware of something that allows either z/OS to read Linux filesystems directly, or vice-a-versa? (ECKD or FCP/SAN) Thanks for any suggestions! Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Grasshopper, Mainsoft EE
The .NET developer can do the development using Visual Studio and then transfer the bytecode to Mono on Linux. Mono has been running on Linux on System z for several revs and the latest version 1.9.1 has support for: ASP.NET 1.1 2.0 Web Forms Web Services Support for ASP.NET AJAX ADO.NET 1.1 2.0 SQL Server, Oracle, PostgreSQL Sybase, MySQL, DB2, SQLite, etc Win Forms 1.1 2.0 C# 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 GTK# With a little help from Neale...8-) -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Where did ext2online go?
I just told a customer on RHEL5.2 they could use ext2online to resize an ext3 filesystem without unmounting it -- well - seems it disappeared? Googling says it has been rolled into resize2fs -- but my customer indicates it didn't work unless they unmounted the filesystem first (I don't have the error msg.. sorry). So - does anyone know if resize2fs should work with a mounted filesystem? And is it truly the replacement for ext2online? Thanks!! Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Sharing data between z/OS and Linux on z/Series
Thanks David and Dave! I've passed this on .. appreciate the response .. Scott Rohling On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Scott, there's an open source project called MVSDASD that provides a read only Linux device driver to flat files stored on MVS DASD; e.g., sequential z/OS datasets. It even has a page comparing it to NFS. It's web site is located here: http://www.mvsdasd.org/ Good luck. Scott Rohling wrote: I know this topic has been done before - but you never know if something new has come to pass... The subject says it all -- We know NFS works -- but we're looking for solutions outside of NFS. A customer recently asked me about 'zFS' (which appears to come from an older reference at the IBM Haifa website).. Outside of network mounts -- is anyone aware of something that allows either z/OS to read Linux filesystems directly, or vice-a-versa? (ECKD or FCP/SAN) Thanks for any suggestions! Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Where did ext2online go?
Scott Rohling wrote: I just told a customer on RHEL5.2 they could use ext2online to resize an ext3 filesystem without unmounting it -- well - seems it disappeared? Googling says it has been rolled into resize2fs -- but my customer indicates it didn't work unless they unmounted the filesystem first (I don't have the error msg.. sorry). So - does anyone know if resize2fs should work with a mounted filesystem? And is it truly the replacement for ext2online? Thanks!! Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Hi Scott, Yep, resize2fs is the replacement for ext2online, and it works with both offline and mounted ext2/ext3 file systems. -- Brad Hinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sr. Support Engineer Lead, System z Red Hat, Inc. (919) 754-4198 www.redhat.com/z -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux reiserfs mounting issue - system hangs
Mary, Here's some ways to make sles9 linux put dasd online automatically at ATTACH time, might be the way your's is doing it: Does cat /proc/cmdline say dasd= and your dasd addr's in that dasd= range? See file /etc/zipl.conf for the kernel cmdline Does file /etc/sysconfig/kernel have a record with INITRD_MODULES=dasd=.. Do you have a file /etc/sysconfig/hardware/hwcfg-dasd-bus-ccw-0.0. where is your dasd addr? This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Elwood Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:28 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Linux reiserfs mounting issue - system hangs To all that responded, You are so so smart. I increased the storage and I was amazed. The filesystem mounted. In 3270 it didn't tell you anything. It just sat there. I recovered with Upstream and have booted. I'm a happy camper. I do need to do this in a more timely manner. I have one more question though - I noticed whenever I attached the SCSI/FBA device to the linux guest the address automatically came online to the guest. I don't understand how this happens. Does anyone have any ideas??? Again, you all are very very smart. Thanks, Mary -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Sharing data between z/OS and Linux on z/Series
Scott, NFS is of course one option for sharing file systems, but its security model and performance may not meet your requirements. MVSDASD has no security model - and doesn't even support the necessary serialization to be considered safe IMO. It would be nice if z/OS zFS filesystems could be shared with Linux on z, but don't hold your breath. Even so, that wouldn't address sharing of MVS datasets. While not a file sharing technology per se, our free Co:Z toolkit allows processes on z/OS to exchange data with processes on Linux on z It uses SSH to setup processes and connections between z/OS and Linux, but you can also configure it to use clear-channel socket connections for data transfer (taking advantage of hipersockets). For more information, see: http://dovetail.com/coz Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Thanks David and Dave! I've passed this on .. appreciate the response .. Scott Rohling On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, there's an open source project called MVSDASD that provides a read only Linux device driver to flat files stored on MVS DASD; e.g., sequential z/OS datasets. It even has a page comparing it to NFS. It's web site is located here: http://www.mvsdasd.org/ Good luck. Scott Rohling wrote: I know this topic has been done before - but you never know if something new has come to pass... The subject says it all -- We know NFS works -- but we're looking for solutions outside of NFS. A customer recently asked me about 'zFS' (which appears to come from an older reference at the IBM Haifa website).. Outside of network mounts -- is anyone aware of something that allows either z/OS to read Linux filesystems directly, or vice-a-versa? (ECKD or FCP/SAN) Thanks for any suggestions! Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Sharing data between z/OS and Linux on z/Series
On Friday, 09/26/2008 at 04:47 EDT, Kirk Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NFS is of course one option for sharing file systems, but its security model and performance may not meet your requirements. MVSDASD has no security model - and doesn't even support the necessary serialization to be considered safe IMO. I agree on both points, with one exception: This is ok if you want to keep Linux configuration data in a z/OS dataset. You need to ensure that only the volume containing the Linux-specific dataset is accessible by Linux, and ensure that no other datasets are allocated on said volume. But no way should Linux have direct disk access to any other operating system's production data, including other Linuxen. No security, no auditability, no accountability. (shudder) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Sharing data between z/OS and Linux on z/Series
On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: No security, no auditability, no accountability. (shudder) Sounds just perfect for today's financial industry. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Sharing data between z/OS and Linux on z/Series
On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Adam Thornton wrote: On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: No security, no auditability, no accountability. (shudder) Sounds just perfect for today's financial industry. Fun Friday fact! The Dept of the Treasury says that a dollar bill is .0043 inches thick. So if you made a stack of 700 billion of them, you'd have a belt 47,506 miles long, which would wrap around the earth at its equator almost twice! Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
I suppose if you listen carefully you hear: LEE-nooks but then not everybody will necessarily agree on how to pronounce what I just wrote. The whole point is that whether you say tuh-MAY-toe or tuh-MAH-toe everybody still knows what you mean. As computational linguistics (and common sense) tells us, no two people pronounce everything exactly the same way. Upon realization of that fact, further argument on the point would seem pedantic and obtuse. Erik Johnson On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Douglas Wooster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/26/2008 09:03:54 AM, John Summerfield wrote: Shawn Wells wrote: Erik N Johnson wrote: It is an interesting question. The fact o the matter is that Linux is named after Linus Torvalds. The predominant pronounciations of Linux are: 'LINE-ix' and 'LI-nucks', but the name Linus (in Helsinki at any rate) is pronounced 'LEE-noose'. So the 'correct' pronounciation of Linux should technically be 'LEE-nukes' I counter your 'correct' pronunciation with a WAV file from Linus Torvalds. Let him decide ;) http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav That's the one I referred to. Note how similarly he pronounces Linus and Linux. I don't have a very good ear for such things, but it sounded to me as though he put more EE stress on his own name than on the kernel. About the only pronunciation I was definitely able to eliminate with that clip was LINE-ix. Douglas -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
