Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan:
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oleg, I sort of scanned your E-mail.
Why don't you read it, then? You'll see that I mention original
authors other than RMS, and my real point is that Linux should *not*
be called GNU/Linux,
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Ira Abramov wrote:
Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan:
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oleg, I sort of scanned your E-mail.
Why don't you read it, then? You'll see that I mention original
authors other than RMS, and my real point is that
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As a side note, stressing only the technical issues means that
issues such as DRM, Trusted Computing and the DMCA are left out
altogether.
These are technical issues. One should not restrict generic
technologies because
Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Quoting Nadav Har'El, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan:
I don't know what your basic disagreements are (I guess I'll have to buy
you a beer to find out :))
I think Oleg has put it very clearly in a post here, he's against the
basic ideals of freedom, and
Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All of the above technologies and laws are bad on technical
reasons. That much is true. However, if your view of them is purely
technical, you will notice that they are only bad for you IF YOU ARE
USING OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. If you are not (such as
Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No. As I said, it's not an issue of ego, it's an issue of his
ideology
I was hoping I was clear that I did not regard this an issue of his
personal ego. And I clearly think he has a point about credit.
So following my idea that he who wrote the software
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All of the above technologies and laws are bad on technical
reasons. That much is true. However, if your view of them is purely
technical, you will notice that they are only bad for you IF YOU ARE
USING OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. If
As you may well know for a long time X got stuck occasionally for me on my
Mandrake system (starting at about 8.1 and progressing through 8.2 and
9.0). A couple of weeks ago, I cancelled the OpenGL hardware Accelaration
(I used the proprietary nVidia drivers) and since then things have been
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
And excuse me for being pessimistic, but I have a hunch that if the current
trends continues, book libraries will also be a thing of the past in 20 years.
How long do you think the book publishers will agree to stay out of the pay-
per-use or
Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems to me that you are bringing ideoligy into the discussion,
even as you are claiming to reject the notion.
I don't see how.
Why is it bad that you cannot rip your bought CD and pick and choose
tracks for your car? You are not, as you claim,
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
In another example, I think DMCA and DRM and treacherous computing are
evil. Why? For instance, I happen to own the latest Diana Krall CD. If
you ask me to burn a copy for you, I will refuse, and I hope we can
remain friends after that. I will,
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
But I recognize again that it may no longer be the case for your
average Linux user, who may be using Linux without encountering GNU
ever, or very little indeed. I can easily imagine that the typical
modern Linux user never uses any of the 10 things
$ dpkg -l |grep wine
ii libwine0.0.20021219-1 Windows Emulator (Library)
ii wine 0.0.20021219-1 Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)
ii winesetuptk0.6.0b-1.1 Windows Emulator (Configuration and Setup To
$ uname -a
Linux tal 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002
On Sat, Jan 11, 2003, Ira Abramov wrote about Re: A comment on GNU/Linux:
ideology. One can run a linux machine without an X server and lots of
other parts, but the basic shells and scripting tools are still born out
of the GNU project mostly.
But this *cannot* be the main reason why Stallman
On Sat, Jan 11, 2003, Amir Tal wrote about kazza lite and wine:
$ uname -a
Linux tal 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 unknown unknown
GNU/Linux
Sorry for completely ignoring your question, but has anybody noticed the
appearance of the string GNU/Linux in the output of the
On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 03:46:56PM +0200, Amir Tal wrote:
when trying to install kazza, i get an ugly win98 popup message that says
kazza requires windows ver. 4.1 or higher.
same thing happends with running wine from terminal or from CrossOver Office.
You might try to change the WineLook
Just solved another one of those irritating little problems, and thought
it might help some others.
I was setting up a Mandrake 9.0 system for someone. The command mailq
seems to have been missing, but there was mailq.postfix.
mailq.postfix simply didn't work: it hanged after a while (though it
I'm afraid this is going to start a **war** and that's not my intention, but I
really feel I've got to get this off my chest.
Firstly, let me say that I've been using LINUX on and off for 6 years and that
it's been my only OS since deleting OS/2 (zl) 3 years ago. So I'm a
committed LINUX user.
On Friday 10 January 2003 15:56, Ely Levy wrote:
To whomever wanted the 2.4.20 version of mandrake's kernel
you might want to try the rpms for the new 9.1beta1.
thankls, but nfortunately, thie following is from the Mandrake web-site
Mandrake 9.1 Beta is now being mirrored and will soon be
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, shlomo solomon wrote:
My problem is that LINUX (as much as it's progressed over the years) is still
much too hard to install, set up, and use. As things stand now, it's not
really a viable alternative for John Q. User. As opposed to other OSs (that
will remain
Hello all!
Anyone have digital photos of the event and if so where ? If you can email
some to me I would appreciate it...:). Any free source advocating website
that is willing to carry them ? (I'm willing to put them on my site but 3
visitors per year is not a good idea...:)
Cheers,
Quoting shlomo solomon, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan:
My problem is that LINUX (as much as it's progressed over the years)
is still much too hard to install, set up, and use. As things stand
now, it's not really a viable alternative for John Q. User. As opposed
to other OSs (that will remain
Two remarks:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, shlomo solomon wrote:
[snip ]
I won't go into the details here, but those who have read my
posts over the past couple of months know that I had problems with USB
printer support, iptables, file permissions, etc. And most recently, I
haven't been able to use
Check:
http://fc-solve.berlios.de/clan/clan.html
http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0301.1/1206.html
Note that I talked about this idea with Rik-van-Riel on the IRC and he
liked it. I also posted it to the LKML, but since it is a goy mailing list
I may not get meaningful answers
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:32:21 +0200
shlomo solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
although my wife and kids all use Windows - and of course that makes me the
primary sysop for their machines :-(.
Why? Isn't Windows so easy that anyone can handle it
You see, as someone else already pointed out,
Quoting Katriel Traum, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan:
http://www.tracking-hackers.com/solutions/kit.tgz
I think you pasted the wrong URL. a small note - this site refers to
crackers as hackers. very dissapointing :-/
--
The best thing since the invention of the cat
Ira Abramov
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bloody kde.
What I wanted to say, was that I don't have any pictures, but would be glad to
host them if anyone have them, on the penguin.
Katriel
On Saturday 11 January 2003 20:34, Katriel Traum wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Eli Marmor wrote:
* Migration from the current ASCII CONF format to binary format or
database-based format. There are zillion GUI's for Apache (just as an
example), and none is good, because it's impossible to develop a GOOD
GUI for an ASCII-based configuration file. I
Quoth shlomo solomon:
I'm afraid this is going to start a **war** and that's not my
intention, but I really feel I've got to get this off my chest.
War is good - drives the economy ;-). See if we shan't have one soon.
My problem is that LINUX (as much as it's progressed over the years)
is
Warning: the following text is long.
Request: ease don't reply without reading till the end. There may be
mistakes or things that you may want to argue with, but the whole
picture is the important thing, and not the (example:) exact number of
Linux/Windows users.
I agree with Shlomo, but also
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Meanwhile, it is supposed to be to the Linux kernel and its kernel
modules what CPAN or Debian apt are for Perl and Debian. (and then some).
I.e: download, configure and install kernel modules from the Net (core
ones or third party); as well as
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Eli Marmor wrote:
* Migration from the current ASCII CONF format to binary format or
database-based format. There are zillion GUI's for Apache (just as an
example), and none is good, because it's impossible to develop a GOOD
GUI for an ASCII-based configuration
Following Omer's response:
Just to clarify, I've NEVER mentioned Proprietary format;
XML is great (though you may inherit the problems of ASCII by writing a
cheating schema).
PostgreSQL/MySQL is good too (although it depends on a specific
implementation of a database).
And I was serious when I
Title: the problem with LINUX
Yeah, linux is a crappy piece of software. What isn't? But at least, it
was all written by kind sirs who awed nothing to you.
Anyway, Windows is no better. Even Windows needs the touch of
a techman for it to run smoothly and not crappily.
Things, all
On Saturday 11 January 2003 21:28, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
And re-install all of your programs. And hopefully you have your config
saved.
Talking about re-installation of Windows here, not Linux.
What you mention is mystrious behaviours, not hardware installations.
Proper usage of packages mean
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
* Dependency hell. Nothing like running a RPM (when you are not
connected to any network) to get dependency errors about missing files.
Or when you are using another machine (with a fast internet connection)
to download RPM's and burn them on a
Hi,
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Omer Zak wrote:
Why, yes of course, if you move to binary configuration files for your
applications and make their format a trade secret and release obfuscated
source files for the modules, which deal with the configuration files,
then you in effect erect a tollgate
On Sunday, Jan 12, 2003, at 01:03 Asia/Jerusalem, Alex Chudnovsky wrote:
And but - if the hardware is rare, there
may be as well that noone in the Linux community have any interest in
writing
the driver, even with the specs there in the open.
Tell me about it :-( That is exactly the case
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Alex Chudnovsky wrote:
On Saturday 11 January 2003 21:28, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
And re-install all of your programs. And hopefully you have your config
saved.
Talking about re-installation of Windows here, not Linux.
Me too. What about all of your configuration
Hi
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
On Sunday, Jan 12, 2003, at 01:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
I know tools like apt
that help, but they are no good for computers with no internet
connection, and are horrible over dial up.
apt-get --recon --download-only
Hi :-)
On Sunday, Jan 12, 2003, at 02:10 Asia/Jerusalem, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
On Sunday, Jan 12, 2003, at 01:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
I know tools like apt
that help, but they are no good for computers with no internet
connection,
I have unsubscribed from this list several times according to the
instructions below, and received confirmation that I am unsubscribed, but
the messages keep coming. Would someone please delete my name from the
list.
thanks
brian
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Meanwhile, it is supposed to be to the Linux kernel and its kernel
modules what CPAN or Debian apt are for Perl and Debian. (and then some).
I.e: download, configure and install kernel modules from the Net
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Eli Marmor wrote:
Focus ALL the efforts to improve the compatibility issues:
* kernel, device drivers, etc. I thinkthat the most important events
for the friendliness of Linux in the recent years, were the launch of
Linux 2.2, and the launch of Linux 2.4. And hardware is
I didn't want to detail too much in the point of CONF files, because it
was not my main point. But it caused some balagan, so please let me
give an example of a format that is not proprietary, and on the other
hand is not XML, and still is great for developing GUI's for:
X Resources.
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