Re: Home made NAS

2013-10-25 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
2012/12/5 Geoffrey S. Mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com: Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: All of the above is probably negligible compared to two important arguments that have already been mentioned: 1) as a home appliance there are better, more economical, and - most importantly! - quieter

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Dan Shimshoni
Hello, Nadav, Instead, I decided to buy a 2-terabyte WD My Book Live for $160. For this price, I got both the 2TB hard-disk and a tiny (ARM- based server in one package. What do you mean by ARM-based server here ? I don't sure I understand. Does this product include some tiny ARM server? Do you

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
2012/12/5 Dan Shimshoni danshi...@gmail.com: Hello, Nadav, Instead, I decided to buy a 2-terabyte WD My Book Live for $160. For this price, I got both the 2TB hard-disk and a tiny (ARM- based server in one package. What do you mean by ARM-based server here ? I don't sure I understand. Does

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Moish mo...@mln.co.il wrote: On 04/12/2012 21:27, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: According to research done by google and also in my experience a normal harddisk (spinner) that has functioned without failures for 3 years will generally last for a very long time

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: All of the above is probably negligible compared to two important arguments that have already been mentioned: 1) as a home appliance there are better, more economical, and - most importantly! - quieter solutions for a modest price; 2) tinkering with such a heterogeneous

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread vordoo
On 2012-12-05 12:48, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: BTW, in an unrelated discussion somewhere else two days ago, several professional sysadmins I know recommended OpenIndiana (an open source fork of Solaris) and ZFS for home NAS's.

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Udi Finkelstein
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-reviews/31314-wd-my-book-live-reviewed http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/mybook-live It has a 1GHz ARM and 256MB of RAM (No USB though). Udi On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Dan Shimshoni danshi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Nadav, Instead, I decided to buy

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
2012/12/5 vordoo vor...@yahoo.com: On 2012-12-05 12:48, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: BTW, in an unrelated discussion somewhere else two days ago, several professional sysadmins I know recommended OpenIndiana (an open source fork of Solaris) and ZFS for home NAS's. Geoff Yep, I like

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread vordoo
On 2012-12-05 12:31, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: As a word of warning, it is usually better to link to the actual paper (quite a famous one in this case), http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf, and not to a blog about it by someone who mixes up mean and median (he

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: Since those new disks have not been around long enough for long term failure statistics, I would be careful using the old ones. The failure statistics papers I know of predate the Thai flood and so are

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:40 PM, vordoo vor...@yahoo.com wrote: As a word of warning ;-) I actually prefer the blog link as I can easily Google the original famous paper. This way I got to read a good blog sum-up + threads on the paper too. I was seriously put off by the guy's attempt to

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Josh Roden
A few years ago I was very disappointed when I bought a WD My Book and found out that it was only able to do 3MB a sec max - real bummer. Josh On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, David Suna wrote about Home made NAS: I have a

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Dec 05, 2012, Dan Shimshoni wrote about Re: Home made NAS: Hello, Nadav, Instead, I decided to buy a 2-terabyte WD My Book Live for $160. For this price, I got both the 2TB hard-disk and a tiny (ARM- based server in one package. What do you mean by ARM-based server here ? I don't

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread David Suna
On 12/4/2012 10:43 AM, David Suna wrote: I have a bunch of old machines lying around which are currently just collecting dust. I would like to collect the disks from all of them, put them together into a single server to act as a file server / NAS on our home network. There would probably

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Moish
On 05/12/2012 12:11, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: 2012/12/5 Dan Shimshoni danshi...@gmail.com: Hello, Nadav, Instead, I decided to buy a 2-terabyte WD My Book Live for $160. For this price, I got both the 2TB hard-disk and a tiny (ARM- based server in one package. What do you mean by ARM-based

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Ori Berger
On 12/05/2012 08:00 AM, Moish wrote: I use WD MyBook Duo 2x3T. http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=620 Transfer rate more than enough for HD over N-wireless network. On A side note: Above storage is used (among other devices) by two Apple Tv 2 (jb with Xbmc) and for fun, I will add

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-05 Thread Moish
On 05/12/2012 23:55, Ori Berger wrote: On 12/05/2012 08:00 AM, Moish wrote: I use WD MyBook Duo 2x3T. http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=620 Transfer rate more than enough for HD over N-wireless network. On A side note: Above storage is used (among other devices) by two Apple Tv 2

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread ronys
I've had good experience with FreeNAS (http://www.freenas.org/), but on a box with homogenous disks/controllers. YMMV, but it's definitely worth checking out. Rony On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM, David Suna da...@davidsconsultants.comwrote: I have a bunch of old machines lying around which

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread vordoo
On 2012-12-04 10:43, David Suna wrote: I have a bunch of old machines lying around which are currently just collecting dust.  I would like to collect the disks from all of them, put them together into a single server to act as a file server /

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, David Suna wrote about Home made NAS: I have a bunch of old machines lying around which are currently just collecting dust.nbsp; I would like to collect the disks from all of them, put them together into a single server to act as a file server A couple of

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread Mord Behar
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, David Suna wrote about Home made NAS: I have a bunch of old machines lying around which are currently just collecting dust.nbsp; I would like to collect the disks from all of them,

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread vordoo
On 2012-12-04 13:37, Mord Behar wrote: So in my opinion, unless you're completely broke, and/or treating this as nothing more than an educational experience, building a NAS out of old

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 01:37:35PM +0200, Mord Behar wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, David Suna wrote about Home made NAS: I have a bunch of old machines lying around which are currently just collecting

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
2012/12/4 vordoo vor...@yahoo.com: On 2012-12-04 13:37, Mord Behar wrote: So in my opinion, unless you're completely broke, and/or treating this as nothing more than an educational experience, building a NAS out of old equipment is waste of your energy. Unless you hook them up to a

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread Doron Shikmoni
David, FreeNAS works rather well in an environment like yours, however (a) as of version 8 it needs considerable amounts of RAM to work reasonably well (v7 could get along well with half a gig) and (b) you need either all HDDs to be of the same size or at least to have a few groups of similar

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread Baruch Siach
Hi Tzafrir, On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 12:33:37PM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: http://linux-sunxi.org/Mele_A1000 Includes a SATA adapter and a disk enclosure (you'll have to provide your own disk). It does cost a bit more than a Pi, and the code is not in mainline yet, That is about to change in

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread Baruch Shpirer
Too many ways to do this but if you consider the data you are going to put on this nas valueable and the hw you are talking about is 2+yrs old then you better off buying new With old hw you can never be sure its going to come up next time and basicly nothing is promised, but for sure stuff can

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
2012/12/4 Baruch Shpirer bar...@shpirer.com: Too many ways to do this but if you consider the data you are going to put on this nas valueable and the hw you are talking about is 2+yrs old then you better off buying new With old hw you can never be sure its going to come up next time and

Re: Home made NAS

2012-12-04 Thread Moish
On 04/12/2012 21:27, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: 2012/12/4 Baruch Shpirer bar...@shpirer.com: Too many ways to do this but if you consider the data you are going to put on this nas valueable and the hw you are talking about is 2+yrs old then you better off buying new With old hw you can never be