Opt-out workaround for Paradise spam + virus filtering

2003-09-02 Thread Yuri de Groot
A possible solution to Shane's desire to opt-out of filtering: From the new terms conditions at http://www.paradise.net.nz/detect/frames/default/pages/main/terms.html : 9. Virus and Spam Protection 9.1 Our virus and spam protection services are email filtering services and are only available

Re: [Fwd: Re: Paradise spam + virus filtering]

2003-09-02 Thread Shane Hollis
You didnt mention distribution, but on Debian, fwiw: in the file /etc/default/rcS : ... # Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not. UTC=no Thanks Mike but it is redhat 7.3 Theonly rcs file is full of control characters so I presume that is not it :-) --

Time Zone wrong Was paradise spam

2003-09-02 Thread Shane Hollis
Yep ... Pacific Auckland ... see screen shot. It has been told I am not in GMT time, that I am in thae pacific auckland time zone. I have it set to update from a time server to correct any hardware slide. On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:12, you wrote: Correct time zone (Not an expert's answer)

[Fwd: Re: Time Zone wrong Was paradise spam]

2003-09-02 Thread Rik Tindall
PS You might want to remove your Reply-to client email address setting, to aid replies-to-list (post). ---BeginMessage--- Hi Shane, I use RedHat too (9.0), but have struck no problem with time setting. UTC must be off. Sounds like the time server isn't helping. Better to correct manually

Linux on JVM (was Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents)

2003-09-02 Thread Carl Cerecke
Zane Gilmore wrote: Vik Olliver wrote: Two things I can see coming of this: 1. Hardware that can be reprogrammed to run, amongst other things, Java bytecode like the last 3 ARM CPUs. 2. The need for a Java bytecode Linux. The what? The *need*? Why would someone put an Open and free operating

RE: Installing TT Fonts in RH9

2003-09-02 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
This was written for RH8 but I think it also works for RH9 http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1890 -Original Message- From: Michael Pearce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 11:20 a.m. To: linux Subject:Installing TT Fonts in RH9 Does

Re: Installing TT Fonts in RH9

2003-09-02 Thread Michael Pearce
Oops, I forgot to say that I had it working in KDE and OO.org - But not in the GIMP. Any Ideas?? Mike. -- Linux Rocks!!

Re: [Fwd: Re: Paradise spam + virus filtering]

2003-09-02 Thread Zane Gilmore
Mike Beattie wrote: Because the list is setting a Reply-To: address, but it will not overwrite a Reply-To header written by a subscribed user. So, when you hit 'reply' on a mail, and it goes to the user, it's because they've explicitly set a Reply-To header. Mike. I have also been bitten by this

Reply tos

2003-09-02 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
PITA - well spoken. And I thought it was just me when I started this thread. Robert Never test the depth of the water with both feet. -Original Message- From: Zane Gilmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 1:02 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: [Fwd: Re: Time Zone wrong Was paradise spam]

2003-09-02 Thread Shane Hollis
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:36, you wrote: PS You might want to remove your Reply-to client email address setting, to aid replies-to-list (post). Ok ok ok :-) Sigh ... I hate interacting with the outside world :-) Here is an email that is hopefully in the correct time. after a bit of

Re: [Fwd: Re: Time Zone wrong Was paradise spam]

2003-09-02 Thread Jason Greenwood
Hi, Shane Hollis wrote: On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:36, you wrote: PS You might want to remove your Reply-to client email address setting, to aid replies-to-list (post). Ok ok ok :-) Sigh ... I hate interacting with the outside world :-) Maybe but people can still reply to you AND the

Reply to headers....

2003-09-02 Thread Shane Hollis
You might want to remove your Reply-to client email address setting, to aid replies-to-list (post). Ok ok ok :-) Sigh ... I hate interacting with the outside world :-) Maybe but people can still reply to you AND the list, it is just a royal PITA to do so with the reply to header

Re: Reply tos

2003-09-02 Thread Carl Cerecke
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: PITA - well spoken. While we are on the topic of reply-tos being a pain. I find it annoying when someone starts a new topic by replying to a completely unrelated message, and then changing the subject line. Why is this a pain, you may ask. Any decent mail reader

Re: Reply tos

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:51:43 +1200 Carl Cerecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No! If you start a new subject, compose a new message. And no complaining about not remembering the clug list email - that's what your address book is for. good call -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Email Peeves, was Re: Reply tos

2003-09-02 Thread CF
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 14:51, Carl Cerecke wrote: No! If you start a new subject, compose a new message. And no complaining about not remembering the clug list email - that's what your address book is for. True - but some topics simply evolve of their own nature... theres nothing keeping a

Re: Laptop NTFS [was Re: Dual boot Linux + Windows 2000 using Lilo?]

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
took a look at your page. not sure that getting rid of parallel in favour of usb is at all a bad thing! In my investgations recently both scanners and printers seemed better supported in linux on usb than parallel. YMMV. On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:21:24 +1200 Rik Tindall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Laptop NTFS [was Re: Dual boot Linux + Windows 2000 using Lilo?]

2003-09-02 Thread Rik Tindall
Thx Nick, Comment onboard. Nick Rout wrote: took a look at your page. not sure that getting rid of parallel in favour of usb is at all a bad thing! In my investgations recently both scanners and printers seemed better supported in linux on usb than parallel. YMMV. Your Mileage May Vary

Installing TT Fonts in RH9

2003-09-02 Thread Michael Pearce
Does anyone know how to install True Type Fonts in RH9??? Easily!! RH seems to have removed the KDE font installer, which made life easier. I have followed the command line intructions as give by RH's documentation, was not successful. Any Ideas??? Mike. -- Linux Rocks!!

Re: Installing TT Fonts in RH9

2003-09-02 Thread Rob Stockley
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 12:44, Michael Pearce wrote: Oops, I forgot to say that I had it working in KDE and OO.org - But not in the GIMP. Any Ideas?? I'm using RH9, gnome and gimp 1.3.18. I followed the instructions in the link and the new fonts showed up straight away even without restarting

Resizing an xfs partition.

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
Hi there, Anybody know of a utility which will help me to shrink a partition with an xfs filesystem on it? There is a utility to make it bigger but nothing to reduce the size. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell

Re: Command history for multiple shells

2003-09-02 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
The problem is that the command histories are not preserved. The .bash_history file contains the history of whatever bash saved to it last before logout. Yes, me too. :) I use tcsh shell. The cwd is preserved, I expect this is done by konsole as tcsh itself wouldn't have a clue about it

Re: less html2text and w3m (Re: converting html pages to text)

2003-09-02 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
First less is rather clever at viewing (and saving) html files these days - have you looked at or tried it for doing this? Really? I don't use less, and a less --help Exit 1: No such file or directory doesn't make it looke like I want to start either. The man page doesn't say anything at

Re: less html2text and w3m (Re: converting html pages to text)

2003-09-02 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:03:38PM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: doesn't make it looke like I want to start either. The man page doesn't say anything at all about rendering html. less 378+iso254. That's because less doesn't render HTML. Cheers, -mjg -- Matthew Gregan |/

Re: Distro choice not easy for Windows people...

2003-09-02 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Hi there, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:45, you wrote: Hi there, I just did a samarital act by lending my Mandrake 9.1 install disks to a guy who looks to install Linux onto his work system to lower license costs to zero. /. has the much same level of authority as talk-back

Re: MSN Messenger update joke...

2003-09-02 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Hi there, Joshua Collins wrote: Chris Wilkinson wrote: I run Alvaros MSN Messenger Client for Linux, so I can instant message some friends around NZ and abroad. MS just emailed my Hotmail address saying that I cannot use Messenger anymore until I update it to a security fixed version! I get the

Re: Reply tos

2003-09-02 Thread Robert Fisher
Point taken (by me anyway) On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 14:51, Carl Cerecke wrote: Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: PITA - well spoken. While we are on the topic of reply-tos being a pain. I find it annoying when someone starts a new topic by replying to a completely unrelated message, and

Re: Distro choice not easy for Windows people...

2003-09-02 Thread antonovich
Hehe! I tried to tell him that there will be little difference between KDE on RH and KDE on MDK, but Windows-centric IT people are a bit odd sometimes! RH on my laptop and MDK on my desktop look fairly similar at a desktop level, but configuration apps have different styles...other than that

Re: Distro choice not easy for Windows people...

2003-09-02 Thread Andy George
I will always be a fan of trying to install the biggest, baddest, ugliest, Jump-in-the-deep-end operating system. Hell, if I can get THAT (usually Debian for it's complexity, or Slackware, for it's lack of anything helpful) to go, I can get any damn thing to work... After Debian 2.1 and 3,

Re: MSN Messenger update joke...

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
I don't think there is any problem with continuing to use msn. I got a mail to my hotmail account ages (in internet terms) ago from them saying I had to upgrade. I still use amsn, gaim, kopete successfully. When I logon I get a message from microsoft saying I nned an urgent security update, if i

Re: Distro choice not easy for Windows people...

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
Just to leap into this discussion at an arbitrary point Someone mentioned back in the thread about menu systems. I think that one of the mostdifficult things for people in the windows mindset is the very confusuing set of naming for *nix utlities, and the perpetuation of those names in a

Re: Distro choice not easy for Windows people...

2003-09-02 Thread Jason Greenwood
I couldn't agree more! I understand why people might like RH but I fail to see what it has that Mandrake doesn't...OTOH, I can clearly see what mandrake does that RH does not - namley GUI config tools that work well - and intuitively. Cheers Jason PS, most here know my RH sentiments already

Re: MSN Messenger update joke...

2003-09-02 Thread Jason Greenwood
I have been getting those warnings for yonks while using Gaim, it hasn't prevented me connecting yet. I'd not bother worrying about it until MS actually try and stop non MSN client connections. My .0002c worth. Cheers J Chris Wilkinson wrote: Hi there, Joshua Collins wrote: Chris Wilkinson

Re: Silly names (was Distro choice not easy for Windows people...)

2003-09-02 Thread Ken McAllister
Ken McAllister says: Mozilla and Konqueror at first sight I took to be the addictive gorilla game and the fire-rockets-off-the-top-of-the-screen-and-they-appear-at-the-bottom-of-the-screen star wars game. Programming and teaching in DOS, years ago, I tried to warn people that silly names

Re: Sharing a proxy

2003-09-02 Thread Vik Olliver
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 09:03, Christopher Sawtell wrote: This is impractical as it requires novices to configure Squid and run it 24/7. Not really, The IPCop installs a Squid literally at the press of a key. It would not be exactly intellectually taxing to alter the script so that the Squid

Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-09-02 Thread Vik Olliver
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 10:57, Zane Gilmore wrote: Vik Olliver wrote: Two things I can see coming of this: 1. Hardware that can be reprogrammed to run, amongst other things, Java bytecode like the last 3 ARM CPUs. 2. The need for a Java bytecode Linux. The what? Tha Jazelle module

Re: MSN Messenger update joke...

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:39:30 +1200 Jason Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been getting those warnings for yonks while using Gaim, it hasn't prevented me connecting yet. I'd not bother worrying about it until MS actually try and stop non MSN client connections. My .0002c worth.

Re: Command history for multiple shells

2003-09-02 Thread Carl Cerecke
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: The problem is that the command histories are not preserved. The .bash_history file contains the history of whatever bash saved to it last before logout. Yes, me too. :) I use tcsh shell. The cwd is preserved, I expect this is done by konsole as tcsh itself wouldn't have

Re: Command history for multiple shells

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:41:16 +1200 Carl Cerecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Volker Kuhlmann wrote: I use tcsh shell. No freaking way am I going back to tcsh :-) Cheers, Carl. sick of distro wars, desktop wars, lets do shell wars :-) -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: MSN Messenger update joke...

2003-09-02 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Read more about this at http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1061456252 Looks like non-msn users will be disconnected October15th. Robert Never test the depth of the water with both feet. -Original Message- From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2

Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-09-02 Thread Andrew Turner
Looks like the vote has been delayed. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32614.html -- I'm not worried about Artificial Intelligence, when they invent Artificial Stupidiy, then I'll be scared.

RE: Distro choice not easy for Windows people...

2003-09-02 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
I picked RedHat as my first distro simply because it was the first one to come to my attention. I think that would be a symptom of the greater penetration RedHat has/had. Robert Never test the depth of the water with both feet. -Original Message- From: Jason Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: MSN Messenger update joke...

2003-09-02 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 07:28:56AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: so long as the writers of the clone programs can still sniff network packets between windows messenger and the server, it shouild be possible to emulate the msn package. Microsoft could require that certain small parts of the MSN

Re: MSN Messenger update joke...

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:18:28 +1200 Matthew Gregan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 07:28:56AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: so long as the writers of the clone programs can still sniff network packets between windows messenger and the server, it shouild be possible to emulate

Re: Command history for multiple shells

2003-09-02 Thread Mike Beattie
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 09:08:46AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: I use tcsh shell. No freaking way am I going back to tcsh :-) sick of distro wars, desktop wars, lets do shell wars :-) ZSH! (which was the first shell to have *native* extended completion (like completing command options)) Mike.

Re: Command history for multiple shells

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 09:29, Mike Beattie wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 09:08:46AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: I use tcsh shell. No freaking way am I going back to tcsh :-) sick of distro wars, desktop wars, lets do shell wars :-) ZSH! ssh - Super Shell, from Dublin in the mid 1980's ...

OT. Re: Command history for multiple shells

2003-09-02 Thread Philip Charles
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Nick Rout wrote: sick of distro wars, desktop wars, lets do shell wars :-) Bash them. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 025 267 9420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - preferred.

Re: Sharing a proxy

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:51, you wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 09:03, Christopher Sawtell wrote: This is impractical as it requires novices to configure Squid and run it 24/7. Not really, The IPCop installs a Squid literally at the press of a key. It would not be exactly intellectually

Re: OT. Re: Command history for multiple shells

2003-09-02 Thread CF
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 09:53, Philip Charles wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Nick Rout wrote: sick of distro wars, desktop wars, lets do shell wars :-) Bash them. Phil. Phil... just sh!

Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Following on from the distro wars, anyone got any comments about the best distro for a production server? I'm soon going to be setting up a Linux server which marks the beginning of a migration away from Win2K servers. The server will be used for file, print, web, database, and groupware. I'm

Re: Sharing a proxy

2003-09-02 Thread CF
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 09:52, Christopher Sawtell wrote: covert n 1: a flock of coots -grin- describes the lot of us quite well I thought...

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 09:55, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Following on from the distro wars, anyone got any comments about the best distro for a production server? Anything that can automatically track at least security updates is pretty much essential. There's nothing worse than suddently waking

Re: Sharing a proxy

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:55, you wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 09:52, Christopher Sawtell wrote: covert n 1: a flock of coots -grin- describes the lot of us quite well I thought... :-) Thanks for the laugh. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell

Re: Silly names (was Distro choice not easy for Windows people...)

2003-09-02 Thread Yuri de Groot
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:01, Ken McAllister wrote: Ken McAllister says: Mozilla and Konqueror at first sight I took to be the addictive gorilla game and the fire-rockets-off-the-top-of-the-screen-and-they-appear-at-the-bottom-of-the -screen star wars game. LOL That's exactly the reason why the

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
I was wondering about FreeBSD but have read about there being hardware compatibility problems with some Dell machines ... not that I have to use Dell. Perhaps my question should have been any hardware/distro combinations recommended for a server? Tom Munro Glass Previously I've been happy

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Chris Hellyar
'urro.. If you want a 'low geek' server ie: easy(ish) install, hassle free(ish) updates etc.. RedHat + RHN subscription is hard to beat. If you don't mind a bit more fiddling Gentoo or Debian are good for updates with Debian having a longer track record. If this is for a medium to large

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 10:23, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Perhaps my question should have been any hardware/distro combinations recommended for a server? Well, generally you either go with whatever hardware is on hand, and potentially adjust your OS choice to go with the hardware constraints, or you

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:23, you wrote: I was wondering about FreeBSD but have read about there being hardware compatibility problems with some Dell machines ... not that I have to use Dell. Perhaps my question should have been any hardware/distro combinations recommended for a server? As far

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Hardware support is certainly a major consideration. I've had reasonable support from Dell in the past, but I've heard that if you play around with the operating system, their support suddenly vanishes. This is why I'm thinking about buying Dell packaged with RH9, although I'm much more

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
This installation is for a very small network, but if it does everything that's required I'm likely to get the job of introducing Linux servers into a medium size company that currently has half a dozen NT4 servers and around 50 desktops. Tom Munro Glass On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:28, Chris

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 11:13, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Hardware support is certainly a major consideration. I've had reasonable support from Dell in the past, but I've heard that if you play around with the operating system, their support suddenly vanishes. This is why I'm thinking about

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:41:44 +1200 Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The differences between the various distros are all in the installation method, and the methods used to set up, stop and start the daemons. There is also the aesthetic and cosmetic differences, There is one

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 11:24, Tom Munro Glass wrote: This installation is for a very small network, but if it does everything that's required I'm likely to get the job of introducing Linux servers into a medium size company that currently has half a dozen NT4 servers and around 50 desktops.

OT: SCO Fined in Munich For Linux Claims

2003-09-02 Thread YudA
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/02/1237244.shtml?tid=123tid=99 nordi writes heise.de reports (in German) that SCO Germany has to pay a fine of 10,000 Euros (~10,800 US$) because they kept on saying that Linux contains stolen intellectual property of SCO. In May a German court had decided that

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Hi Chris, I thought I might get a Gentoo vote from you ;-) Must admit that I'd probably find Gentoo easiest to work with, but maybe it's time I was less one-eyed! Thanks for the Scyld link - looks very useful. Tom Munro Glass On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:41, Christopher Sawtell wrote: Take care

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread John Blance
We use RH here, but I'm not sure that I would recommend it unless you are going to buy one of the Commercial versions. RPM is OK at best and RH are quite slow at releasing version upgrades to packages. They usually back-port security updates to an earlier version of the application. You can

Compose NEW *not* REPLY TO! (was Re: OT: SCO Fined in Munich For LinuxClaims)

2003-09-02 Thread Carl Cerecke
YudA wrote: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/02/1237244.shtml?tid=123tid=99 nordi writes heise.de reports (in German) that SCO... Grumble time... Not only is it offtopic, but instead of composing a new message, you hit reply to Jim's Re: Distro for a server email. So a threaded email

help to unsubscribe

2003-09-02 Thread Herb Petrie
Trying to unsubscribe, I receive, Error in the command: =unsubscribe%20linux-users Command verb must be a symbol: = Use the HELP command to get a list of legal MAILSERV commands. Herb Petrie.

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jason Greenwood
The other option is Mandrake ;) Updates are free and are kept up with welleasy to update via urpmi too. Cheers Jason John Blance wrote: We use RH here, but I'm not sure that I would recommend it unless you are going to buy one of the Commercial versions. RPM is OK at best and RH are quite

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Chris Hellyar
mild rant.. RPM hell on a server? If you're running a business on a box you shouldn't be installing any rpm's that didn't come from the distro provider, and, ergo, rpm hell should not occur. We have 8 RedHat servers at work with a corporate RHN subscription, they operate as FilePrint, Firewall,

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Yes, the larger installation will be very remote - in England! Downloading updates won't be a problem, but rpm hell might be! I've only had a few hours playing with RH9, so I've yet to encounter that particular torture. I don't mind command-line admin providing I know how to drive the

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Getting slightly OT, but could you suggest some reputable local hardware suppliers? I've built my own PCs in the past but in recent years I've found it hard to match the price of suppliers such as Dell, especially for servers. Tom On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:29, Jim Cheetham wrote: I don't know

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread David Zanetti
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Good advice about the processor/disk speed Jim. I will definitely be using SCSI and would like to use raid but it's too expensive. If you want to do RAID on the cheap, get SCSI and use the Linux kernel's

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:13, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Yes, the larger installation will be very remote - in England! That shouldn't put you off, I co-admin a bunch of FreeBSD machines in the UK, only 300ms away over 23 hops ... I use screen on the remote box, so I can ssh in and restore the

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
There is one other very big difference: update mechanisms. IMHO one of the most important differences is the update (security or otherwise) mechanism. (you did touch on this later in your email). rpm hell is to be avoided. Nonsense. I run SuSE server(s), the update mechanism is excellent and

Re: Command history for multiple shells

2003-09-02 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
bash is able to have a separate history file for each invocation. Yuck, why would I want that for? Next time I might log in via VT100 and ssh - oops, no history. Using any of the other gazillion X-terminals - oops, no history. Doesn't cut it. The shell needs to be able to merge the histories,

Re: help to unsubscribe

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
%20 is geek for a space, send the message with unsubscribe linux-users in the body. not unsubscribe%20linux-users its not always translated correctly when you just click on the mailto link. On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:58:12 +1200 Herb Petrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to unsubscribe, I

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Many thanks for the tip about screen. I'd never heard of it but it looks incredibly useful. I've just emerged it on my Gentoo machine, and see it's already available in RH9 I stuck on a test machine in England. This gets my vote for Tip Of The Day! Tom On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:35, Jim Cheetham

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:58, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Nonsense. I run SuSE server(s), the update mechanism is excellent and free. rpm hell? You must have misunderstood something. It never happened to me. On my desktop, I can tick automatic, and each time I log in (or I click a little con in the

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
fair comment i didn't express myself well. I have RH 7.3 with some non-redhat rpm's, because at the time I installed them redhat did not have, for example, a properly working cyrus-imap daemon, or a properly working spamassassin. Now I'm finding that if I want to update either I will probably

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:58:09 +1200 Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is one other very big difference: update mechanisms. IMHO one of the most important differences is the update (security or otherwise) mechanism. (you did touch on this later in your email). rpm hell is to

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:22:42 +1200 Tom Munro Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks for the tip about screen. I'd never heard of it but it looks incredibly useful. I've just emerged it on my Gentoo machine, and see it's already available in RH9 I stuck on a test machine in England.

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 13:22, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Many thanks for the tip about screen. I'd never heard of it but it looks incredibly useful. I've just emerged it on my Gentoo machine, and see it's already available in RH9 I stuck on a test machine in England. This gets my vote for Tip

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:22, you wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:58, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Nonsense. I run SuSE server(s), the update mechanism is excellent and free. rpm hell? You must have misunderstood something. It never happened to me. On my desktop, I can tick automatic, and each time

Re: Command history for multiple shells

2003-09-02 Thread Carl Cerecke
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: bash is able to have a separate history file for each invocation. Yuck, why would I want that for? Next time I might log in via VT100 and ssh - oops, no history. Using any of the other gazillion X-terminals - oops, no history. Doesn't cut it. The shell needs to be able to

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:46:46 +1200 Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before you get too used to screen, you may want to consider remapping the default C-a command string with something else, if you're in the habit of using C-a for emacs-binding beginning-of-line in either your editors or

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 01:56:13PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: None the less, a Gentoo install would allow you to have the command:- emerge --update world Last time I ran that it hosed a box. Not very impressive. Cheers, -mjg -- Matthew Gregan |/

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 13:56, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:22, you wrote: The server-relevant point here is that this update process must be completely automatic - i.e. not waiting for a user to log on to a graphical desktop. You must be overflowing with trust in your

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Thanks Nick. Yet more information to try and remember! Tom usefule article here on screen http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6340

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:35, you wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 01:56:13PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: None the less, a Gentoo install would allow you to have the command:- emerge --update world Last time I ran that it hosed a box. Not very impressive. That's the knid of reason I'm not

procmail filter for virus warnings

2003-09-02 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Has anyone made procmail rules to catch all these annoying virus notifcations? Can I have a copy please - faster than starting right from scratch. Thanks, Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do

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Re: procmail filter for virus warnings

2003-09-02 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 03:17:02PM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Has anyone made procmail rules to catch all these annoying virus notifcations? Can I have a copy please - faster than starting right from scratch. I'm using: :0 $MAILDIR/junk.virus/ But the false positive rate is fairly high...

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread elvis
just use linux! most things that run on BSD are in linux- or get both and thrash them, the one that survives is obviously the right choice. --- Tom Munro Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering about FreeBSD but have read about there being hardware compatibility problems with some Dell

Re: procmail filter for virus warnings

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:17, you wrote: Has anyone made procmail rules to catch all these annoying virus notifcations? Can I have a copy please - faster than starting right from scratch. :0fw | /usr/local/bin/spamoracle mark :0 * ^X-Spam: yes; spam :0 *

RE: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Larry Smith
Good question. Why is everyone using RH when you have a better distro like SuSE. RH is starting to smell like MS. The same technique/template as MS re: Marketing, Certification etc. not to mention the costs. The Certification costs are as bad as MCSE. Besides, SuSE is the oldest, most stable

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:14, you wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:46:46 +1200 Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before you get too used to screen, you may want to consider remapping the default C-a command string with something else, if you're in the habit of using C-a for emacs-binding

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:11:21 +1200 Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dont' forget vigor http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ LMFAO, we've had tip of the day: vigor is laugh of the week!

Re: procmail filter for virus warnings

2003-09-02 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Interesting concept - but does seem to aim at spam filtering, not virus notification filtering. What I'm trying to get rid of are all these emails of people telling me a msg someone else sent contained a virus, plus associated rubbish like delivery failure notices because someone else didn't