Newbie Question

2002-08-25 Thread linux-stuff
The story so far. Our family PC has 2 hard drives and when we added the second hard drive we ran the Seagate software that was supplied and it joyfully made all the modifications so that windows saw the second drive as additional data storage space. We subsequently added heaps of pictures and

Re: Newbie Question

2002-08-25 Thread Nick Rout
The story so far. Our family PC has 2 hard drives and when we added the second hard drive we ran the Seagate software that was supplied and it joyfully made all the modifications so that windows saw the second drive as additional data storage space. We subsequently added heaps of pictures

Re: CLUG Meeting, was Wanting to see Linux working

2002-08-25 Thread Michael Beattie
On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 08:00:40PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: 3) Sound Cards. Ditto - Things are getting much better than they used to be. Kernel 2.4.19 is a huge improvement for both sound and video. I'll comment here, that ALSA adds support for a multitude of chipsets, and sometimes

Re: linux directory structure

2002-08-25 Thread Michael Beattie
On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 08:12:09PM -0400, Andrew Tarr wrote: /bin 'bin' for binaries, this directory contains essential system programs. Things that you just really can't get by without are here, like 'bash' and 'ls' and 'cd'. 'cd' is a builtin... bash does that for you. Mike. --

Re: CLUG Meeting, was Wanting to see Linux working

2002-08-25 Thread newslett
Musical caper?? I assume you are referring to my song editing burning If so, ask any questions you like... Anyway, I would speak on any subject I felt reasonably knowlegeable about at a CLUG meeting. This is assuming I was deemed competent to do so and was requested to do so either by

RE: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Meeting, was Wanting to see Linux working]

2002-08-25 Thread Michael
I have the same difficulty that Robert has - I can't play a CD in Linux. I can do it in Windoze without trouble. I buggered around with the mixer, which successfully changed the volumes of the other inputs (Wave, Line In) but still the CD channel was dead. FYI: Creative PCI 64 (about three

Newbies problems

2002-08-25 Thread stringer
Hi all, I thought that was a realy good thing Andrew Tarr did with the Directory Structure. What I found most frustrating at first was getting to grips with the acronyms. Dir for directory was obvious, but in Linux it was called ls. It was some time and several books later I discovered it

Re: CLUG Meeting, was Wanting to see Linux working

2002-08-25 Thread Nick Rout
Good good now we are getting somewhere, Jason I found your original post quite negative and maybe my reply reflected that. We can physically beat each other at the meeting. Its good to see you have refined your requests. A demo of gui apps is a bity vague, tyour longer post more helpful. Further

Re: Newbies problems

2002-08-25 Thread Jeremy Bertenshaw
IMHO this and other questions as such scream out for a welcome to linux heres the basics of unix commands thru to more complicated stuff book, hopefully that Rute manual acheives this, maybe all 'newbies' should be pointed here before they start installing linux :-) p.s. about the dir thing ;-)

Re: Newbies problems

2002-08-25 Thread Nick Rout
Hi all, I thought that was a realy good thing Andrew Tarr did with the Directory Structure. Yes, thanks Andrew. What I found most frustrating at first was getting to grips with the acronyms. Dir for directory was obvious, but in Linux it was called ls. It was some time and several

Re: Newbies problems

2002-08-25 Thread Mark Carey
On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 10:21, Nick Rout wrote: Now where the hell did they get awk, glob grep from? awk by Alfred V. Aho, Peter J. Weinberger and Brian W. Kernighan. Notice first letter of last names. Mark

Re: Wanting to see Linux working (fwd)

2002-08-25 Thread Andrew Errington
Hi all, Would it be worthwhile for me to bring the Peanut machine I built to the meeting? It doesn't do much, just runs Peanut Linux and KDE3.0, but for any newbies who either don't have Linux, or have a low-spec cast off machine to play with it might help to see how fast it runs, and what it

combined file sizes info , how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Gerard van Antwerpen
Hi, I'm looking for the combination of shell commands that will give me the combined size of a number of files. Like the dos dir command gives: 34 files, 390kb. I want to know the size of a directory, with all its files, and sub-dirs if applicable. Must be some piping and grepping out of the ls

Re: combined file sizes info , how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Nick Rout
try du man du for example to see whats taking up all the space on my system cd / du --max-depth=1|sort -n I think there are also options in ls to give this sort of thing man ls Hi, I'm looking for the combination of shell commands that will give me the combined size of a number of

Re: combined file sizes info , how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Christopher Sawtell
Gerard van Antwerpen wrote: Hi, I'm looking for the combination of shell commands that will give me the combined size of a number of files. Like the dos dir command gives: 34 files, 390kb. I want to know the size of a directory, with all its files, and sub-dirs if applicable. Must be

Re: combined file sizes info , how ?

2002-08-25 Thread newslett
Zane!! You are alive. ;) I was beginnin to wonderhehe. Zane Gilmore wrote: du -h dir-name where dir-name is the path of the directory. -h just gives sizes in human readable form. du stands for disk usage I think. On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 10:53, Gerard van Antwerpen wrote: Hi, I'm

Re: combined file sizes info , how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Yuri de Groot
the command 'ls -l' also gives the info you want on the first line of output. And since some distro have a line in bashrc that aliases 'dir' to 'ls -al', on those distros the command 'dir' gives you what you want, just like the original question. Wow - full circle.

Re: Newbies problems

2002-08-25 Thread Ryurick M. Hristev
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, stringer wrote: [...] I see some having trouble with the email acronyms, such as AFAIK, IMHO, IIRC, ROTFL and so on. This really was a bad habit generated by one finger typists (IMHO!). What does it really take to write In my humble opinion As far as I know If I

Thanks, Re: combined file sizes info , how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Gerard van Antwerpen
Thanks every one for the great and quick responses! Gerard At 11:41 AM 8/26/02 +1200, Yuri de Groot wrote: the command 'ls -l' also gives the info you want on the first line of output. And since some distro have a line in bashrc that aliases 'dir' to 'ls -al', on those distros the command

Re: Fw: Free to a good home

2002-08-25 Thread Benjamin Devine
I will hapily accept it i like any comps Ben Devine AKA Cocojumbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cocojumbo.tk irc.zerolimit.net #cocojumbo COCOJUMBO Linux Kicks AZZ

Re: combined file sizes info , how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Michael JasonSmith
The command 'ls -l' also gives the info you want on the first line of output. Close, but backwards compatibility strikes again. The first line of ls -l is the amount of space taken up in blocks, not in any sensible measure like bytes (I checked the source). For the Newbies. A block is

Re: combined file sizes info , how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Yuri de Groot
ls -alh For those who found Drew a bit cryptic: the 'h' option tells ls to use 'human-readable' format. eg 3.4Mb, 1.6kb etc. Each entry is listed in the most suitable unit. Yuri de Groot

Re: Fw: Free to a good home

2002-08-25 Thread Sascha Beaumont
I'd love it. Please? If nobody else is going to jump in, when/where can I pick it up from and is it more of a trailer job or would it fit in a van? Sascha On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 12:21, Nick Rout wrote: Robert asked me to pass this on :-) Forwarded by Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Newbies problems

2002-08-25 Thread Christopher Sawtell
Nick Rout wrote: Although this book is about 10 years old it is the one from which I learnt my way around the unix beast. http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/web2/tramp2.exe/goto/A00kl2r2.002?screen=Record.htmlserver=1homeitem=8item_source=1home It's readable, informative, and available

Re: combined file sizes info , how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Tim Wright
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Michael JasonSmith wrote: For the Newbies. A block is the basic unit of storage on a disk. No matter how small a file is, it will take up at least one block. This would be snip It's even more complicated than this. Filesystems also store information about files

Re: Newbies problems

2002-08-25 Thread Christopher Sawtell
Christopher Sawtell wrote: Nick Rout wrote: Although this book is about 10 years old it is the one from which I learnt my way around the unix beast. http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/web2/tramp2.exe/goto/A00kl2r2.002?screen=Record.htmlserver=1homeitem=8item_source=1home Sorry

Re: Newbies problems

2002-08-25 Thread Stephen Nicholas
Peter Norton? Isn't he the guy from Norton Antivirus, Norton Ghost and other such famous utilites for windows? :) Steve On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 03:16:29PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: Christopher Sawtell wrote: Nick Rout wrote: Although this book is about 10 years old it is the one

BCC and clash of cultures

2002-08-25 Thread Tim Wright
Hay Chris (and anyone else who feels the need to bcc the list): Can you please not put the linux-users list in the BCC field? It means that your email goes into the incorrect mailbox on my computer which just confuses me...by making me wonder why on earth you sent me this email. Cheers... On

Re: Free to a good home

2002-08-25 Thread Andy George
I'm Game! What is it? Andy George ZL3ST - Original Message - From: Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CLUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: Fw: Free to a good home Robert asked me to pass this on :-) Forwarded by Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Trouble shooting session

2002-08-25 Thread Lance BLACKLER
I say here here to that - I couldn't have put it better myself in fact - I find myself doing some pretty silly things when I get tired and frustrated at the only time usually available for configuring and fixing stuff-ups - the wee dark hours - it would be nice to know what I am doing

Peter and /root

2002-08-25 Thread Andrew Tarr
I've just had an email exchange with Peter Cornelius and we have established that StarOffice really does seem to be installed in '/root/opt/Office52' . This was installed for him at the installfest. Please tell me it's not the case that Mandrake or any other distribution has a habit of

Re: Peter and /root

2002-08-25 Thread Nick Rout
if someone yells across a room where do i install open office and the (verbal) response is opt, off the root directory or root - opt then it could be seen as ambiguous. Trouble is, root has no one meaning. Why didn't Kernighan Richie (or whoever invented unix) make the superuser admin??? I

Re: combined file sizes info, how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Peter Cornelius
Gerard wrote: I'm looking for the combination of shell commands that will give me the combined size of a number of files. Like the dos dir command gives: 34 files, 390kb. One mouse click with a GUI file manager and result of '34 files, 390kb' immediately displayed. So much for those poor

RE: combined file sizes info, how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Steve Bell
Preach it Pete! -Original Message- From: Peter Cornelius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 17:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: combined file sizes info, how ? Gerard wrote: I'm looking for the combination of shell commands that will give me the

Re: Peter and /root

2002-08-25 Thread Andrew Tarr
I've just been told that StarOffice installs in the user's home directory by default, so it may be the case that installing it as root ended up with it being in /root . It's still all wrong, though. (and it's StarOffice that he has installed, and OpenOffice that he's trying to install, BTW).

Visual Studio .net

2002-08-25 Thread Bill Wilson
If any in the group are using visual studio .net I would be interested to make contact with you 'off line'. Please email me direct. Bill Wilson

Re: Newbies problems

2002-08-25 Thread Nick Rout
Not a very well organised site. I selected 'Getting Started, How the File System Works' and went to a page listing Newsletters, none of was referring to file systems. I was none the wiser and needed that information before being able to progress any further. Peter, if you take a look, that

Re: combined file sizes info, how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Yuri de Groot
Ha! Peter, I love it. You've shown us up, I guess. From your posts to this list you sound to me like a dutchman (that's a compliment coming from me). Thus spake Peter Cornelius on this Mon, 26 Aug 2002 : ] Gerard wrote: ] ] I'm looking for the combination of shell commands that will give me the

Re: combined file sizes info, how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Nick Rout
One mouse click with a GUI file manager and result of '34 files, 390kb' immediately displayed. Thats fine, but what if he is writing a script which needs to know directory sizes for some reason? -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

new subscriber query

2002-08-25 Thread Bill Evans
I have just subscribed to this group today. Is this the place to ask for help on individual installation problems? I have one or two :( Bill

Re: combined file sizes info, how ?

2002-08-25 Thread Nick Rout
Ha! Peter, I love it. You've shown us up, I guess. No , the question asked for a shell command (or combination of shell commands), Peter did not give that. he has criticised the list for going off at tangents and not answering his own questions - he has to take his own medicine. :-) From your

Re: new subscriber query

2002-08-25 Thread Nick Rout
I have just subscribed to this group today. Is this the place to ask for help on individual installation problems? I have one or two :( Bill yep, fire away. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: new subscriber query

2002-08-25 Thread Bill Evans
Great - I will get my facts sorted and post the message tomorrow. Bill - Original Message - From: Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Re: new subscriber query I have just subscribed to this group today. Is this the