On 11/1/07, Janani Gopalakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Err... i wouldn't use that analogy as FOSS - Free and Open Source
Software is literally translated as being about about Freedom and
Quality.
Yeah, and good journalism is also about Freedom and Quality, right?
i'm no expert :-)
On 10/31/07, Janani Gopalakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frankly, we freelancers have a bit of power in our hands in that respect --
to say NO! We may not be able to avoid such cuts by the uber-editor. But
when that happens, we can always go back to the editor and say, Next timeat
you do
On 10/29/07, mukesh yadav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In this group there are some people who really don't want to
contribute them self in the project or our mission. they just only
want to fight on a small things which can be sorted out in one or two
mails.
Instead of this they are just
On 10/30/07, Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G Karunakar wrote:
Hi,
check
Low cost software for visually impaired
http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/oct/23linux.htm
All said and done, the article starts with ``A city-based visually
impaired software professional has come
/me awaits with bated breath for the rest of the press articles
Dont - lack of oxygen makes living difficult ;-).
/me awaits with bated breath for the rest of the press articles with
equipped paramedics on standby :P
But you might start a wiki page. The purpose would be to highilight
the
On 10/30/07, Janani Gopalakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a foolproof method followed by many of us these days -- it's called
playback for fact-check -- we send the final copy for approval to the
interviewee to avoid any discrepancies due to misinterpretation.
i wouldn't say its
On 10/29/07, krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hello JTD, Manoj, Siddesh etc.
thanks for at last taking this thread to a very productive discussion.
people who want to continue on personal grudges or oppologies may
continue because we have no time to stop them.
Hmm...
To the point -
I hereby announce the second stable release of Opyum, the Fedora
Offline Package Manager, version 0.0.3.
Great Work! :-) My heartiest Congratulations! :-)
Opyum (pronounced 'opium')
interesting name :-)
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On 10/29/07, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RUM was the first choice. Pirut (pronounced as 'pirate') goes well
with RUM. However RUM was taken, and in keeping with the same same
spirit Opyum was the closes I could get.
Interesting observation - you find yum within Opyum :P
On 10/28/07, Abhishek Daga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh come on guys, just call it quits. Vihan, its great to be anal and you
have made your point,
Thank You. Though its a good idea to use the word analytical ;-)
but at this point you are just beating a dead horse.
Hmm... i do admit that
On 10/28/07, krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 28/10/2007, Vihan Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The person concerned went as a representative of FSF India and thus
should have left no stone unturned in making sure its ideals were
properly represented. However the person
well i don't have anger against the press because they don't understand
or are not aware of our motives and that's quiet expected. But lets admit it
we went there to make sure that the efforts of free software projects like
orca and to show the inclusive and humane nature of the free
On 10/26/07, Siddhesh Poyarekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/23/07, Vihan Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
check
Low cost software for visually impaired
http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/oct/23linux.htm
i find this article to absolutely disgusting as ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION
On 10/26/07, Prashant Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 01:12 PM 10/26/2007, Vihan Pandey wrote:
On 10/25/07, krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I need not learn how to talk to press from you.
then stop screwing up and start apologising.
I think the tone here is extremely
On 10/25/07, krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have handeled the press more than your experience and even after
getting the things right, these people have a habbit of not printing
the right thing,
Really? In that case you could very well file a grievance with them or
even file a
there are a lot of movements going on - greenpeace, organic farming,
anti pollution, free software, ... these are not revolutionary
movements. They are movements to improve the quality of life. There
are also revolutionary movements that work to overthrow - with
violence - unjust regimes.
it would be more interesting if there was less ad-hominem involved.
if you are referring to me spreading ad-hominem :-) its a natural
reaction when opposing parties become over defensive and self
aggrandising. IMHO.
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On 10/25/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At the outset, I would like to clarify the question of age. When I
said that you were too young to understand, I did not mean to imply
that the older a person gets, the wiser he is.
Thank You.
All I meant is that
the last revolutionary
why? I am enjoying the debate
100% agreement there.
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I was not referring to either of you in particular but both of you in
general :)
:-)
As a list, only the technical/intellectual arguments are of value. The
rest is noise. Humourous noise may be welcomed. Sarcastic noise may be
tolerated. Since the on going argument has neither, it only
On 10/24/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
kgb, hitler stalin et al != microsoft
dirty corporations + power hungry oppressive governments = kgb, hitler
stalin et al and worse.
I am afraid you are belittling it
That is an incorrect conclusion.
- dont equate an intellectual war
On 10/25/07, krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
following are my coments and reaction to this thread and I want this
to be the last one.
that is NOT your decision.
firstly I can Understand that vihan reacted without complete knowledge
of what was actually said in the conference.
so
As soon as we get the video's and audio files in my hand we will upload them.
If GNU and GNOME have been credited properly then all is fine.
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If GNU and GNOME have been credited properly then all is fine.
and HBCSE, TIFR and gnowledge.org :-)
Apologies Nagarjun.
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Laughable. This is all assuming that the society is in a fine state; as if the
people behave properly and that the democracy actually works.
This is all nice and dandy in Europe or USA. Indians still need to grow up
mentally for this to be applicable.
Interestingly George also quoted Winston
Another interesting article from Jeremy Allison (he had written
earlier about the document lockup with MS Office 2007)
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6189011.html?tag=nl.e550
Good Article!
I especially like the analogy with the South Park Underpants Gnomes.
* Step 1: Create a DRM
removed content
Why [Safe to Delete] on the subject line? Just curious.
Our dear and considerate Rony is obliging those who considered some of
his mails as a waste
:S
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go to /etc/selinux/config
SELINUX=disabled
Whoops!No directory named selinux in my /etc.There's security AND securetty
though.
Did you do a customized install of SELinux?
Anyway, if you have installed it properly(where ever it is), try to
find the config file which should probably be
Not dubious at all. The statement means M$ did not fund any specific
research, therefore consider everything coming from here to be
tainted and crap.
:D
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I tried to use xemacs as a lisp ide using slime. i referred to slime
and xemacs' inbuilt info documentation but still haven't succeeded in
configuring it properly.
O.K, you need to go to the .xemacs/init.el and do this :
;;; The SBCL binary and command-line arguments
(add-to-list 'load-path
Let us please stop flaming everything and everyone around, and foster
healthy discussions.
indeed.
http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/reliable-os/
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Yeah I would. It's not worth my time or energy to dwell on these
topics. Write more, talk less.
agreed.
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I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the
subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister.
i think that issue was regarding the fact that everyone knows what
Wikipedia is and also know how to get there and do not need to be
repeatedly reminded of the same.
Regards,
Hi Vihan, I would like to differ on that. I don't know how to go to
wikipedia. I get the links from ask.com or google. :)
:-)
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Blind hero worship is stupid. Theorists have come and gone. Pragmatists
make the Mumbai railway carry millions of people every day ;)
Since you put it that way, why don't you also be pragmatic and help
him out in his Xemacs and Lisp persuit rather than give your theories
on ``LUG fear and
http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/reliable-os/
So, ahem, does MINIX 3 fly yet? :) Can it roll over? Play dead? :/
yeah baby, come on! Flame me...
:/
If you actually bothered to read the document you would know that
questions for the same are best posted to comp.os.minix
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to put it in one line - would you rather start teaching computer
programming with BASIC or PL/1 ?
I would rather learn with C than BASIC or PL/1
and how many others say the same?
IIRC, M$'s own kernel ( Win2k or Win2k3 ) resembles a microkernel. yes,
they too are apparent aware of the
IIRC, M$'s own kernel ( Win2k or Win2k3 ) resembles a microkernel. yes,
they too are apparent aware of the positive aspects of the microkernel.
Oh, and where did you get info from, please do post a link.
Did you even read the link that you gave me?
the link was sent to the list well
Arrogant is hardly the word. Insolent maybe.
true that certainly makes it better.
Say whatever. But when I'm
flaming someone I'm not going get off my big fat arse and post links to
prove my point.
i see. i didn't know you were dragging your arse along with your mouse
pointer. Which GUI do
Ok...lemme scratch my head :P
Vista, code named Longhorn, was supposed to be released in late 2003. It
was supposed to be the stepping stone to Windows Vienna. Their schedule
slipped. Lots of crap happened. WinFS and several key features were
dropped. Scheduled slipped yet again and again and
A google search gives this link:
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-950083.html
Its the usual nonsense. Companies complaining that providing the
fruits of research to everyone, not just U.S. companies, is hurting
American business. Accusations that open-source software may offer
target for
/me notes that you that you didn't say a word about his books.
His books have nothing to do with the topic we're discussing.
Really? Was it not you that said ``the difference between Andrew
Tanenbaum and his
theories and Linus who built a practical kernel - which works!. Try
getting Operating
I did that on purpose, since I too respect AST for his work. He's the
first person who comes to mind when one mentions Operating Systems.
That is the reason why I responded only to portions that I felt would
give me a bit more information, not defend credentials of a proven
Guru.
:-) DAJ
I'd rather learn with Linux than with Minix.
AST has categorically stated that for a student to be able do a course
in a semester at Virje you needed a kernel that would cover all
concepts required to be learned by a student. Hence he wrote Minix,
and its still one of the easiest things to
Hello everyone,
i guess there has been a ton of flaming on the
matter of mircokernels off late(most of it
by me :-). There have also been ubiquitous wikipedia links all over
the place about POSIX, microkernels etc etc etc. All of which led me
to sit a
EXCUSE ME but before you go on touting stuff like that don't forget
that before the Linux kernel there was Minix and there IS something
called Amoeba and there are books on OS and networks whose eloquence
is UNPARALLED.
I dunno about Amoeba but I dont see Minix being used by businesses?
They are still struggling because Freedom is not the primary
motivation. When Linux, the kernel filled the last main component for
a complete Free Operating System, the biggest motivation -- Freedom --
is gone, and now the driving force for Hurd is a technically superior
kernel replacement that
Exactly, thats the difference between Andrew Tanenbaum and his
theories
EXCUSE ME but before you go on touting stuff like that don't forget
that before the Linux kernel there was Minix and there IS something
called Amoeba and there are books on OS and networks whose eloquence
is UNPARALLED.
So
Flamewar!!
I didn't know you guys allowed that in ILUG-BOM.
LMAO!!!
Why don't we have new tags
for flamewars / trolls / extremely long posts?
Hmm...
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Hello everyone,
Apple has finally succeeded in convincing EMI(a
major record label :-) to keep its music DRM free and available on the
iTunes store. It's good to see that Steve Jobs managed to convince
them to do it :-)
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html
Did we read on /. today that the DRM free music from iTunes contains the
buyer's account information and email address? Not actually free then,
isn't it?
Are you referring to liberty or beer? If you are talking about beer,
its a store, forget a free beer unless you are buying 3 of them :P. If
DRM free music increases Apple's income. a Free Software version of
iTunes doesn't. There is no reason for Apple to do anything that won't
increase its income.
my point in saying that is - have a supported port of iTunes on
GNU/Linux and other kernels, then i would have absolutely no problem
FYI:
Apple is currently not providing mp3's via iTunes. All of the DRM-free
music is encoded in the AAC format.
Oh, i didn't know they stopped providing mp3's via iTunes. To be
perfectly honest my only interaction with Mac OS X happens via ssh,
and even when i do sit on a Mac OS X GUI, i'm
My perspective is that we don't have to give up on our philosophy to
reach out to newbies - we could keep our beliefs firm and reach out to
the newbies - may be that path takes longer time (after all we already
spent more that 20 years). I absolutely respect your opinion if you
think otherwise -
And if Red Hat and Progeny is giving back to the community why not
back them in the competition?
that would be the best thing to do if Ubuntu continues keeping
launchpad partialy closed.
Why should we side with someone who does
not respect us? It is not that we are gonna fight against ubuntu,
Enough said in this thread already. Now let this thread sleep in peace.
:-)
ABSOLUTE AGREEMENT :-)
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To paraphrase what GNU has said : We must not judge all of a person by just
part of what they do.
I thought he was the founder (and main funder) of Ubuntu and Canonical.
He is and he has also repeatedly praised the Free Software philosophy
and DOES support efforts regarding the same.
Interested candidates may send their CVs in Open Document Format to
mkamble at redhat dot com
Dear Sankarshan,
Your mail is a REAL inspiration. Kudos to you :-)
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Ubuntu does package some non free drivers, but its creator also funds
the
creation of free drivers and is also a strong proponent of the same.
Are you absolutely sure about it? If it is true it would be wonderful.
Can you give some reference (may be a blog post of his or something
like that)
oops. I am really sorry. i had *NOT* intended to post to the list. i
will be more careful in future!
i'm glad you agree. Also, PLEASE DO NOT quote email addresses in your email
body.
quote
Harsh Busa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
u sud ideally reply directly to the sender in this case
I find this whole agenda hypocritic. Either adhere to it fully before you
go
on preaching about it or stop preaching it. Why isn't Ubuntu or Gentoo or
insert any other distro here on GNU's list if it doesn't ship with
non-free
software by default? And if Novell is evil for making a business deal,
Free Advice for the Litigious...
All of which is to say - no amount of fear can stop the rise of free
media, or free software (they are the same, after all). The community
is vastly more innovative and powerful than a single company. And you
will never turn back the clock on elementary school
While Jeremy publicly states his reason for leaving novell.. Robert
has been quoted by DesktopLinux as *not* leaving novell because of
the
deal. So Robert is the horse that we want to neigh.. the above
redherring link is where Jeremy is the horse.
Total Agreement.
From the horses mouth:
Hi David,
I saw your message on the Mumbai linux mailing list about helping with
moodle.
To be frank, I hadnt heard of moodle until you had posted your message
and hence was quite curious to try it out. unfortunately, i havent
crossed the installation stage ( the entire directory just vanished
Did you know that Jeremy Allison resigned from Novell in protest
against that stupid deal. And more recently Robert Love?
Aha you did not. Your head was deeper in the sand.
Yes. He got good job at Google. My head is still up.
To set the record straight Jeremy Allison DID leave Novell
To set the record straight Jeremy Allison DID leave Novell because of the
M$-Novell deal and not because of a better job opportunity :
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061221081000710
This IS an important point and MUST be mentioned.
the same goes for Robert Love as well.
FTFL, It is true that one prominent open-source developer, Samba
programmer Jeremy Allison, did leave Novell over the Microsoft/Novell
patent partnership and was subsequently hired by Google. However, in a
brief email exchange with DesktopLinux, Love wrote that he was not
leaving Novell because
Companies HAVE to realize that FOSS is NOT a one night stand, its a life
long commitment :-)
why dont u file a PIL ? or sue them ?
Because that's not the way to beat them. If they have smart lawyers who have
studied the facts and know that all legal issues are ``taken care of in the
deal
/me ponders conspiracies
not really.. theres is some confusion. lets do it once again ;-)
This link http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7924011302.html; that you
sent talks about Robert Love.. on this page you'll find this statement
It is true that one prominent open-source developer, Samba
I have quite a few nice Unix/Linux and Security books (mostly Oreilly)
which
I do not use but they are in good condition and not that old that anyone
can't use it. Is there a place I can donate them where people can really
make use of them? They are 10 - 12 big books.
That is a VERY beautiful
Solar flares?
Most of indian Telcos/ISPs use underwater cables i believe.
Undersea Earthquake ?
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Speculations ?
yes :D
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snip
Nessuna vittoria senza armonia.
Err... translate.
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was that a message from an alian?
were there any alien landings in Europe ?
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source for installing common applications (such as say
GCC 3.x or 4.x,
A HIGHLY recommended exercise. Enjoy!!!
:-)
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I have started a monthly online linux magazine for Indians. It is totally
free of cost with no advertisement or any commercial gains.
that means no proprietary software/proprietary software ads :-)
Finally a truly ideology friendly magazine to the GNU/Linux movement.
Sir, i wish you Godspeed
Hello,
A lot of *nix people often wonder the answer to
the age old question :
i did rm -Rf by mistake - what do i do now ?
Well, there are quite a few answers to the same.
Thankfully there is now a simple answer
(with not so headbreaking). A friend of mine
tried it out on his Ubuntu box(on
more due to floating high voltages in a vehicle
Err... in a vehicle?
Me confused.
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What are you talking about? Let's compare Firebird and PostgreSQL. We all
know
that MySQL sucks!
And your reason for saying that is - technical or ethical or business or
what ?
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And your reason for saying that is - technical or ethical or
business or
what ?
does one need a reason for speaking the truth?
Does one need a reason to know the opinion of a fellow glugger?
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old, but imho, still valid:
http://lawgon.livejournal.com/10240.html
Interesting read :-)
Of course the statement ``writing huge amounts of extra code to do by myself
what the rdbms is supposed to do is quite extreme because of a simple
reason - we do NEED databases and relational databases.
product agnostic is fine - as long as you avoid a product that
accepts 2007-2-30 into a date field in the database
:D
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I think its about time we held an installfest. I know a couple of college
students who want to use Linux but are unable to install it. Let's host it
somewhere and announce to the masses.
i'm in. Let's do this.
In fact if people want to get laptops, let's enchourage that as well.
Regards,
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Anyone here got the final release DVD's of debian etch?
i'll be downloading it shortly.
Anyway one request to you - i visited you site http://assid.com/
PLEASE take out this EXTREMELY irritating line :
`` Best Viewed in 1024x768 using Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 or higher
from your
I want to install qmail , pls. can anybody tell me best site
for qmail from i get help about qmail like how to install configure Qmail
setup by setup.
Can you tell us what ``exactly went wrong when you did try to install
Qmail on your own? Also if you tell us the steps you
I dont compile code on vista, but it has educated me. It is a good
article. This list is not just a sob corner to come cry GNU/Linux
problems for newbees. It's for enthusiasts who love it and want to
learn more about it. But this does not mean GNU/Linux lives isolated.
GNU/Linux enthusiasts are
Tulip Star something..
yes it is called Tulip Star
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I'm talking about the Centuar which has remained unbuilt as long as
I've been coming here -- seven years running. Again, near the
domestic airport.
the one which looks like a mutated doughnut - yeah there's a Bawa
International near it. If someone wants more info please visit :
April 3, 2007: EMI, the world's third largest music company, said
today that it was making its music available online without a key
anti-piracy measure in a deal with Apple Inc. to boost sales of
digital music.
:-)
Great news for the DRM elimination crew!! Lets continue educating the
so how many people who compile gcc code on vista on this list has
your post educated?
i guess those who are doing any kind of application porting/tesing from and
to Win32/GNU+Linux would be affected.
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ME,
I use ARM GCC and SDCC on window XP.
This list can be pro Linux but definitely not anti Window.
Policies of the company that made that system make very difficult NOT to be
anti windoze.
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On 3/31/07, Nagarjuna G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
after 5:30 on working days, mon-friday, but on sat and sunday the lab
can be used for hacking free software the whole day.
Hmmm, interesting :)
Are you thinking of setting up a KDE build server and see its performance of
To confirm that this actually works do:
$ nslookup gnu.org
on your own machine.
$ nslookup gnu.org -sil
to get rid of the ``message :-)
$ dig gnu.org
is also a good way to do it.
Knowing your ultimate aim would have been helpful.
Very True.
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$ dig +short gnu.org
;-)
Ah... a painless introduction to dig :D
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Good Stuff!
http://news.softpedia.com/news/French-Parliament-Will-Switch-from-Microsoft-to-Ubuntu-49186.shtml
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Politics and Technology of the DNS.
That sounds interesting. What ``exactly do you generally cover in the
politics aspect of DNS.
I can also bring my One Laptop Per Child XO machine. It's a way cool
piece of hardware.
Would love to see that.
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That sounds interesting. What ``exactly do you
generally cover in the
politics aspect of DNS.
I guess, he meant, Open Source licensing or Politics
and Technology of DNS.
H.
So Russ, is that what you meant?
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I don't understand why there is this
almighty urge to get everyone to switch to FOSS.
i guess there are a wide and diverse list of reasons for the same. Some
people want to do it for freedom, some for technically superior software,
some for pure business, etc. etc.
If you think you're freeing
Hello,
Hard core emacs users probably know this, but those who don't here
goes :
Emacs has a tetris buffer !!! :-)
In an open window do : M-x tetris
and play Tetris :-)
As it is an Emacs buffer just kill it with C-x k
Enjoy :-)
And thanks to Chaitanya ``C.G Gupta for telling me this
And that's a good thing? You just proved that its a
productivity killer. :P.
'Tis your choice make.
I remember playing with the shrink thingie
for hours ... never am I going doing that lane ;)
Yeah, the emacs psychiatrist is a pretty fun thing and people don't feel
weird that they
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