Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-17 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2007/1/17, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: not necessary - call it what you feel like calling it. Who made those two organisations the sole arbiters of what is what? Agreed, but those are the two organisations who defined these two terms Open Source and Free Software so if they accept

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-17 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2007/1/17, Vihan Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Very true, but i guess FSF is probably(correct me if i'm wrong) the only organisation which keeps a track of GPL violations and does something about it. No, Harald Welte and http://gpl-violations.org/ also keeps track of gplviolations Anyone is

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-17 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2007/1/17, Vihan Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sounds logical, but i haven't seen any individual(again to the best of my knowledge) doing a solo defense of his GPL'd code. As mentioned earlier - Harald Welte defend GPL and has won cases in court upholding GPL's validity in court.

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-17 Thread Vihan Pandey
Very true, but i guess FSF is probably(correct me if i'm wrong) the only organisation which keeps a track of GPL violations and does something about it. No, Harald Welte and http://gpl-violations.org/ also keeps track of gplviolations thanks for the info :-) Only if one has chosen one

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-17 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 17-Jan-07, at 1:21 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote: i think all stake holders involved will keep track. Sounds logical, but i haven't seen any individual(again to the best of my knowledge) doing a solo defense of his GPL'd code. harald welte -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate,

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-16 Thread Vihan Pandey
cool - draft your own license and release it And if you want to call it as Open Source Software get it aproved by the Open Source Initiative and if you want to call it as Free Software get it accepted by Free Software Foundation. not necessary - call it what you feel like calling it. Who

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-16 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:02:31 +0530, Vihan Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cool - draft your own license and release it - call it what you feel like calling it. Who made those two organisations the sole arbiters of what is what? makes sense! Very true, but i guess FSF is

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-16 Thread Vihan Pandey
i think all stake holders involved will keep track. Sounds logical, but i haven't seen any individual(again to the best of my knowledge) doing a solo defense of his GPL'd code. If a competitor of X is violating GPL, X would mostly definitely be on to him! Perhaps point it out and inititate

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Dinesh Joshi
On Monday 15 January 2007 11:20, jtd wrote: On Sunday 14 January 2007 19:40, Aseem Rane wrote: The society without any constitution and laws is more free than a society having various laws and rules preventing certain behavior. Popular misconception. Society which permits exploitative and

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
Agreed. I guess a lot of people are currently using Aseems argument or similar ones to criminalize FSF or OSS philosophy. Aseem has presented it in a more civil manner. Most people dont do it. Laws are in place to check exploitation and to guard the freedoms that we have. Without these laws

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread jtd
On Monday 15 January 2007 15:20, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Agreed. I guess a lot of people are currently using Aseems argument or similar ones to criminalize FSF or OSS philosophy. Aseem has presented it in a more civil manner. Most people dont do it. Laws are in place to check

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread jtd
On Saturday 06 January 2007 00:53, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Requirements: Tally software Autocad/Studioworks or any other as good opensource/linux variant. At the free map workshop I happened to interact with a participant Who is the HOD of civil engineering in a Ludhiana college. He has

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
Bottom line - rethink your business model - based on unlimited availabilty and creation of knowledge rather than brain dead methods of coercion, packaging and distribution. business models change as the markets force it to. Not really dependent on any singular individual i.e. assuming

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
At the free map workshop I happened to interact with a participant Who is the HOD of civil engineering in a Ludhiana college. He has already evaluated brl cad and qcad. Qcad does not have 3d and the free version does not have pline dimensioning. The paid version costs Rs.800/- which is

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 14-Jan-07, at 8:01 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: nobody said am not ready to give my software out. it was about free distribution. if i write something i allow you to change, modify and do as you wish just dont release a variant using my code and after appending you code. i would

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Vihan Pandey
nobody said am not ready to give my software out. it was about free distribution. if i write something i allow you to change, modify and do as you wish just dont release a variant using my code and after appending you code. i would ofcourse extend the same respect to the code from the

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread jtd
On Monday 15 January 2007 16:08, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Bottom line - rethink your business model - based on unlimited availabilty and creation of knowledge rather than brain dead methods of coercion, packaging and distribution. business models change as the markets force it to. Not

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Aseem Rane
On 1/15/07, Dinesh Joshi wrote: On Monday 15 January 2007 11:20, jtd wrote: On Sunday 14 January 2007 19:40, Aseem Rane wrote: The society without any constitution and laws is more free than a society having various laws and rules preventing certain behavior. Popular misconception.

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Dinesh Joshi
On Monday 15 January 2007 20:25, Aseem Rane wrote: Ooooppps. There is a BIG misinterpretation here. Be more verbose the next time and make your point clear. While writing that I thought I was supporting Free software and GPL. Let me clarify. BSD license puts lesser restrictions on what you

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Vihan Pandey
Forwarding my bigger mail after ruthlessly trimming it welcome to the club. The FOSS philosophy DOES NOT say that you should distribute the software free of charge. Remember Free as in Beer Vs Free as in Freedom?? Interesting point, in which case i am inclined to ask - Sachin are you

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
in which case i am inclined to ask - Sachin are you opposed to distribution as a whole or gratis distribution only? did not intend to reply anymore..since you asked ..distribution only. Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Dinesh Joshi
On Monday 15 January 2007 22:03, Aseem Rane wrote: I did read my post many times after your reply. But unfortunately I am still unable to understand where I criminalized FSF. I should've written a more detailed reply. I did not mean that YOU criminalized FOSS. I should've said that the people

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-15 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 15-Jan-07, at 8:25 PM, Aseem Rane wrote: BSD license puts lesser restrictions on what you can do with the software. I wanted to say that even though GPL puts more restrictions, it is better. it is? Depends on the context and the reason why the software is being released. I would

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread Vihan Pandey
lets not take things out of context i believe we context switched - READ to your statements and all the WRITE(S) have been happening since then. and be snide about it shall we? When you make provocative statements based on a complete lack of understanding of FOSS on a GNU/Linux users

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2007/1/14, Sachin G Nambiar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I create X. I want to use a retail business model(whether it works or does not work is out of the question) but as a proprietor i have a right to choose my business model! [point 1] You are thinking in terms of the proprietory business model.

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2007/1/14, Sachin G Nambiar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When i buy a software i have a right to use it in any way i wish. That is Freedom 0. If you buy a non-free software you don't have these rights.period. But when i distribute it as if it were my own(even with modifications), iam basically

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2007/1/14, Sachin G Nambiar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If FOSS philosphy says explicitly that every software should be freely distributable, then it is infringing upon the fundamental right of the creator. Nobody compels you to release it as Free Software, but don't insist you want to call it Free

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 14-Jan-07, at 3:57 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: I create X. I want to use a retail business model(whether it works or does not work is out of the question) but as a proprietor i have a right to choose my business model! [point 1] yes If a person buys mp3 of a shakira song (who i

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 14-Jan-07, at 6:40 PM, പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen wrote: This much is enough to qualify it as Free Software, See BSD, MIT, X all are Free Software. w00t -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ --

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
The aim of the copyright law is not to protect originator but to promote progress of science and useful arts. Get your basics right. So don't think authors have any natural right to their work. It is granted by the goverment so as to benefit the public. Now is that fair? That the

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2007/1/14, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 14-Jan-07, at 1:45 AM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Without any Regards to you, and with Regards to the List, - vihan lets not take things out fo context and be snide about it shall we? I wondered aloud, some people have kindly given me some

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
here starts the confusion. copyright != patent. Please find out the difference. no confusion .. everything in it's place as long as the message has gone across even if not in agreement. no - when you 'buy' doze, you have practically no rights whatsover - check the EULA who said

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread Aseem Rane
On 1/14/07, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: your problem is that you belong to the OSS school and not the FOSS school - nothing wrong in that. It is actually more free than the FOSS school which puts some restrictions on the redistribution of software. The society without any constitution and

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2007/1/14, Sachin G Nambiar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: no - when you 'buy' doze, you have practically no rights whatsover - check the EULA who said anything about doze? i was talking about my rights. Rights to what software ypu were talking about? I can choose to modify a particular software

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
Nobody compels you to release it as Free Software, but don't insist you want to call it Free Software and still being able to restrict the user of the fundamantal Freedoms. Is anyone infringing upon Microsoft's moral rights because they release non-free software. We said we will show you

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
Rights to what software ypu were talking about? lets liken the software to a tangible product. If i buy it don't i have a right to do whatever i choose to with it. i think i have that right with windows too but MS denies me the right! :/ I can choose to modify a particular software and

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread Vihan Pandey
Seige Heil mien furherer. your spelling sux - es ist 'sieg heil mein Fuehrer' Error acknowledged. Apologies (for the spelling) Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-14 Thread jtd
On Friday 12 January 2007 22:08, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: My intention was not to insult, just a disagreement thats all. We only differ on our thoughts as to what extent of freedom we are talking about. You are not talking about freedom at all. You are talking about exploitation. And your

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Philip Tellis
Sometime Today, SGN cobbled together some glyphs to say: AS i mentioned before, IF .. .. i was just wondering for a sec if FOSS said anything about not being able to distribute. :) These are easily verifiable facts. You don't need to speculate out loud. It would have been less effort for

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Philip Tellis
Sometime Today, SGN cobbled together some glyphs to say: If Kcalculate provides the code along with the software it's FOSS alright. Freedom to change code, need not be to distribute. Where did you learn that? -- I know not how I came into this, shall I call it a dying life or a living death?

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:59:09 +0530, Philip Tellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometime Today, SGN cobbled together some glyphs to say: If Kcalculate provides the code along with the software it's FOSS alright. Freedom to change code, need not be to distribute. Where did you learn that? I

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:01:52 +0530, Philip Tellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometime Today, SGN cobbled together some glyphs to say: AS i mentioned before, IF .. .. i was just wondering for a sec if FOSS said anything about not being able to distribute. :) These are easily verifiable

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Pradeepto Bhattacharya
On 1/12/07, Sachin G Nambiar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy in whole. I like some parts, but not others. I dont like the idea of collectivism where everyone shares whatever they have made with everyone else. Sure it's your right if you want to, but don't

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Mrugesh Karnik
On Friday 12 January 2007 20:42, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:01:52 +0530, Philip Tellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometime Today, SGN cobbled together some glyphs to say: AS i mentioned before, IF .. .. i was just wondering for a sec if FOSS said anything about not

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Parthan
On 1/12/07, Sachin G Nambiar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy in whole. I like some parts, but not others. I dont like the idea of collectivism where everyone shares whatever they have made with everyone else. Sure it's your right if you want to, but don't

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
So the brickbats roll in my turn to *sigh*. I have clarified my stand in another mail under the same head! I disagree on some points but i also agree on others .. Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
LOL! So nice of you and hats off to your attitude! Nobody says you shouldn't keep things to yourself and not share, but for such a great attitude FOSS is not your base and we are not your brethren. Here the rule is simple, you get the freedom if you are ready to give the same to others,

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
If you are not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy then why talk about it and the freedom what we all think as our life-breath. You are talking to a community which thrives for Freedom. Please don't insult our passion with such comments. My intention was not to insult, just a disagreement

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Parthan
Sachin G Nambiar wrote: My apologies for ruffling feathers which i evidently have! We disagree on what freedom is here, my point i reiterate, i like the idea of opening up source to the end user because it's the end users right if he has paid for it. But it's also the givers right to restrict

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Rony
Sachin G Nambiar wrote: My apologies for ruffling feathers which i evidently have! We disagree on what freedom is here, my point i reiterate, i like the idea of opening up source to the end user because it's the end users right if he has paid for it. But it's also the givers right to

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
Please note that the FOSS ideology does not work out economically with retail software. FOSS earns big/mega bucks through support and customization. Yes i know and this was the only bone of contention. If i make a software and sell it to you and also give you the source. Mere pet pe laath

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Mrugesh Karnik
On Friday 12 January 2007 23:29, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: I understand that if the license allows it it's fine,but my contention is it's still free software even if it's not freely distributable, because i allow you (as a maker) to use it in anyway you wish to change it in anyway you wish and

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
Does that tell you something about FOSS? Its power to the USER. As long as it does not take power away from the maker. Sure ... more power to the user. Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Jan-07, at 10:05 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: So the brickbats roll in my turn to *sigh*. I have clarified my stand in another mail under the same head! I disagree on some points but i also agree on others .. you agree on all the points where you can profit from OSS, and disagree

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Jan-07, at 8:37 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Where did you learn that? I easily understand my right to read the code of the product am buying. I do not understand why this right extends to distribution? It's akin to piracy in a loose sense! what is piracy? stealing of software?

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Jan-07, at 8:42 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Am not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy in whole. I like some parts, but not others. you have not even understood the FOSS philosophy -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ --

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
what is piracy? stealing of software? how can you steal software? can you steal air that you breathe? is software property? If i have a dosai and give you my dosai, now you have a dosai and i dont. If i have source code and give it to you, we both have source code. Frankly I fail to see

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:06:16 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12-Jan-07, at 10:05 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: So the brickbats roll in my turn to *sigh*. I have clarified my stand in another mail under the same head! I disagree on some points but i also agree on

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Jan-07, at 11:02 PM, Rony wrote: You are confusing between open software that you publicly distribute/sell to many and customized software made for an individual company. FOS Software created and customized for a company is anyway private and will not be distributed to others.

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Parthan
Sachin G Nambiar wrote: I understand that if the license allows it it's fine,but my contention is it's still free software even if it's not freely distributable, Once you prevent the 'freedom to freely distribute', the existence of the software as free software ends. because i allow you

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-12 Thread Rony
Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Please note that the FOSS ideology does not work out economically with retail software. FOSS earns big/mega bucks through support and customization. Yes i know and this was the only bone of contention. If i make a software and sell it to you and also give you the

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Vihan Pandey
Autocad/Studioworks or any other as good opensource/linux variant. http://brlcad.org/ The BRL-CAD package is a powerful Constructive Solid Geometry (CSG) solid modeling system with over 20 years development and production use by the U.S. military. BRL-CAD includes an interactive geometry

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 11-Jan-07, at 1:40 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote: thing has been there for over 20 years and has been GPL(though i don't know since how long, but definitely 2004-04-27 14:22 or earlier, as that's the date timestamp of their first commit on sourceforge) then why are people still harping about

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread jtd
On Thursday 11 January 2007 14:15, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 11-Jan-07, at 1:40 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote: thing has been there for over 20 years and has been GPL(though i don't know since how long, but definitely 2004-04-27 14:22 or earlier, as that's the date timestamp of their first

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:53:01 +0530, jtd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 06 January 2007 00:53, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Autocad/Studioworks or any other as good opensource/linux variant. http://brlcad.org/ Thank you very much. Sachin G --

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread jtd
On Thursday 11 January 2007 17:26, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: 4) If your code is so shallow that copying and distributing by college kids is going to put you on the streets, u are better off searching for the best street corner than running a business. I don't agree, no point in disparaging

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread jtd
On Thursday 11 January 2007 17:30, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:53:01 +0530, jtd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 06 January 2007 00:53, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Autocad/Studioworks or any other as good opensource/linux variant. http://brlcad.org/ Thank you very

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2007/1/11, Sachin G Nambiar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I dont care if college kids use it if they are not my customer, but why screw up my business model becasue these college kids might just hand it over to soene with enough money and resources to screw me up. FOSS business is Free and Open

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
Do keep us posted on any evaluations you may do. I will but not sure if iam qualified for it but i know someone who is and is currently using autocad in the unit. Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Vihan Pandey
http://brlcad.org/ Thank you very much. Do keep us posted on any evaluations you may do. In fact some text of the evaluation and few screen shots could be added to the Wiki :-) Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
people with enought money and resources do add a kick ass feature you also now would that be fair? I think using, changing is ok because it's my right! Since iam concerned about my right am also concerned about the right of the maker. There are just too many parasites out there in the

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
And how exactly do you propose to change that. U see the guys who are attacking your business model dont care about your code. They want the binary. by not allowing sharing of the code but full rights to change and modify it as they please. If your business model is screwable rest assured

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2007/1/11, Sachin G Nambiar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: people with enought money and resources do add a kick ass feature you also now would that be fair? I think using, changing is ok because it's my right! Since iam concerned about my right am also concerned about the right of the maker. There are

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 11-Jan-07, at 5:53 PM, jtd wrote: http://brlcad.org/ Thank you very much. Do keep us posted on any evaluations you may do. could it be that there is no gui? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ --

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Debarshi Ray
http://brlcad.org/ The BRL-CAD package is a powerful Constructive Solid Geometry (CSG) http://www.tech.oru.se/cad/varkon/ What about Varkon? If BRL-CAD is used by the US military, then Varkon is used by SAAB, the Swedish automobile and aircraft maker. Excerpts from the Varkon site: VARKON

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Rony
Vihan Pandey wrote: http://brlcad.org/ Thank you very much. Do keep us posted on any evaluations you may do. In fact some text of the evaluation and few screen shots could be added to the Wiki :-) From its writeup, it looks like a 3D modeling software like 3DS Max, not a drawing

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread Rony
jtd wrote: It is. It says solid geometry. And absolutely beats me as to why the hell it was hidden so long. How it compares to a drafting package like ACAD i have no idea. I am trying to get one user switch to QCad and Blender (For 3D). I have installed Linux in one of his PCs and he

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-11 Thread jtd
On Thursday 11 January 2007 18:28, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Do keep us posted on any evaluations you may do. I will but not sure if iam qualified for it but i know someone who is and is currently using autocad in the unit. Oh u are. As someone in close contact with enduser u will be loading

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Sudhir Gandotra
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 06:30 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 08-Jan-07, at 11:07 PM, Devdas Bhagat wrote: switch. Only problem is that there is no Indian Accounting software that is any better. So you are stuck. Kalculate for Linux is very much there, giving you So why not

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 10-Jan-07, at 1:32 PM, Sudhir Gandotra wrote: is any better. So you are stuck. Kalculate for Linux is very much there, giving you not free -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ --

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Vihan Pandey
Kalculate for Linux is very much there, giving you not free i would say HIGHLY not FOSS. In fact their website has a wonderful disclaimer : quote KalCulate is sold to its customer for their use as per the policy of each version. This sale does not transfer the rights to\ software and/or

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
i would say HIGHLY not FOSS. In fact their website has a wonderful disclaimer : If Kcalculate provides the code along with the software it's FOSS alright. Freedom to change code, need not be to distribute. Sachin G -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Vihan Pandey
i would say HIGHLY not FOSS. In fact their website has a wonderful disclaimer : If Kcalculate provides the code along with the software it's FOSS alright. Freedom to change code, need not be to distribute. Mate, READ the disclaimer they have written on their website before quickly

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
Mate, READ the disclaimer they have written on their website before quickly defending them and quoting FOSS philosophy. AS i mentioned before, IF .. .. i was just wondering for a sec if FOSS said anything about not being able to distribute. :) Sachin G --

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Devdas Bhagat
On 10/01/07 17:45 +0530, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Mate, READ the disclaimer they have written on their website before quickly defending them and quoting FOSS philosophy. AS i mentioned before, IF .. .. i was just wondering for a sec if FOSS said anything about not being able to

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
FOSS actually does imply the right to modify and distribute. Shouldn't the term freedom be restricted to modifying the code? If a coder has to earn a living using principles of FOSS then the clause about free to distribute should be removed don't you think? Sachin G. --

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Dinesh Joshi
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 22:55, Devdas Bhagat wrote: FOSS actually does imply the right to modify and distribute. IIRC, the GPL ( I know we're not discussing GPL but it is a good license ) allows one to modify and NOT distribute the code as long as its for internal use. -- Regards,

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 10-Jan-07, at 5:45 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: AS i mentioned before, IF .. .. i was just wondering for a sec if FOSS said anything about not being able to distribute. :) no distribute rights === not foss -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 10-Jan-07, at 11:52 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: FOSS actually does imply the right to modify and distribute. Shouldn't the term freedom be restricted to modifying the code? If a coder has to earn a living using principles of FOSS then the clause about free to distribute should be

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 11-Jan-07, at 12:23 AM, Dinesh Joshi wrote: FOSS actually does imply the right to modify and distribute. IIRC, the GPL ( I know we're not discussing GPL but it is a good license ) allows one to modify and NOT distribute the code as long as its for internal use. you have it ulta -

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread jtd
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 23:52, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: FOSS actually does imply the right to modify and distribute. Shouldn't the term freedom be restricted to modifying the code? If a coder has to earn a living using principles of FOSS then the clause about free to distribute should be

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-10 Thread jtd
On Saturday 06 January 2007 00:53, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Autocad/Studioworks or any other as good opensource/linux variant. http://brlcad.org/ The BRL-CAD package is a powerful Constructive Solid Geometry (CSG) solid modeling system with over 20 years development and production use by the

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-08 Thread Saswata Banerjee Associates
Devdas Bhagat wrote: On 06/01/07 17:55 +0530, Saswata Banerjee Associates wrote: snip Huh ? Tally works with double entry accounting. Where did you get the idea that tally does not follow double entry accounting ? One of the few things about double entry accounting I remember is

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-08 Thread Devdas Bhagat
On 08/01/07 22:07 +0530, Saswata Banerjee Associates wrote: Devdas Bhagat wrote: On 06/01/07 17:55 +0530, Saswata Banerjee Associates wrote: snip Huh ? Tally works with double entry accounting. Where did you get the idea that tally does not follow double entry accounting ?

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-08 Thread Saswata Banerjee Associates
Devdas Bhagat wrote: *deleted * BTW, I am yet to see Tally Linux. I doubt if the dealers or even Tally customer support would have heard of it. It is a statement that they have been making for a lng time and can be classified with vaporware. Is that Tally on Linux, or a

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Jan-07, at 11:07 PM, Devdas Bhagat wrote: switch. Only problem is that there is no Indian Accounting software that is any better. So you are stuck. So why not contribute to AVSAP? good question - in fact I have finally found a person who knows accounts and willing to be a mentor

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-07 Thread Sachin G Nambiar
Thank you for all your replies, I will check out all the accounting software mentioned but the decision is ofcourse in the end with the company heads. If tally is available for linux then i would presume they would go head with it so that there is minimal learning curve to be negotiated.

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-07 Thread jtd
On Sunday 07 January 2007 02:54, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: How many clients are there in total? Using thin clients will be a good option for the users. Also, the users can be trained on the use of Open Office and Linux based e-mail clients. Training in my own experience has been very

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-06 Thread jtd
On Saturday 06 January 2007 00:53, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Hi, Am going to work in a small manufacturing unit with a T.O. of around 9cr. Currently they do have a few desktops(un-networked) with pirated copies(based on discussions i doubt they know the difference and i want to change that) of

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit

2007-01-06 Thread Devdas Bhagat
On 05/01/07 21:48 -0800, Koustubha Kale wrote: --- Laxminarayan G Kamath A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Requirements: Tally software Tally is available on Linux. Also your accountants and Auditors will be really happy if they have tally. Its a sound investment for a company of any

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