Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-13 Thread Roeland M.J. Meyer
At 01:28 AM 3/11/99 -0500, Jonathan Zittrain wrote: That said, I very much supported cutting you off at the microphone after you'd (to be sure, just in my and some others' view, clearly not yours!) abused the privilege to speak at it. I'd like to explain why. The archives are all online at

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread Ronda Hauben
Jonathan Zittrain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronda I credit the earnestness of your position, and I certainly don't view your position--as I roughly understand it, that the U.S. government nurtured the Net, and that the White Paper's framework of turning certain key technical functions from the

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread Craig Simon
It's important to put a good word in for Jonathan Zittrain. Regardless of my own desire for more openness in ICANN's processes, I think he and others at the Berkman Center have behaved in an honest and forthright manner, trying to include as many people in the discussions as possible. I've

Re: [Membership] Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread jeff Williams
Craig and all, It is well established and well documented now that the dictatorial actions an style of the ICANN. Hitler-like would be carrying it a bit to far. Stalin like would be more appropriate possibly. It is none the less as FACT that the ICANN is acting unilaterally and is on the

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "William X. Walsh" writes: On 12-Mar-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: Johnathan, Ronda, That said, I very much supported cutting you off at the microphone after you'd (to be sure, just in my and some others' view, clearly not yours!) abused the

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread William X. Walsh
On 12-Mar-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "William X. Walsh" writes: On 12-Mar-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: Johnathan, Ronda, That said, I very much supported cutting you off at the microphone after you'd (to be sure, just in my and some

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "William X. Walsh" writes: You feel quite comfortable with what you are saying? From reading Ronda's comments yes I do. I don't see her comments as being on topic at all, and I think that in this situation they were more than generous in the leeway

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
William In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "William X. Walsh" writes: I don't agree that her points are that important, but nonetheless, lets assume they are for this purpose. You are entitled to your opinion. As is anybody else. If we are having a meeting to decide if our company should open

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread William X. Walsh
On 12-Mar-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: William In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "William X. Walsh" writes: I don't agree that her points are that important, but nonetheless, lets assume they are for this purpose. You are entitled to your opinion. As is anybody else. If

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
William, it doesn't matter whether you or I think she was germain or not. In order to conduct deliberations in large groups of people one uses rules of order, in the US most commonly the RRoO. One does not cut off microphones if one doesn't like the points being made. Can't you see that? el

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread jeff Williams
Eberhard and all, Well said, well said! SOme folks would rather attack the individual rather than the content of their remarks/comments. Many do not even wish to hear alternative or differing views. When the do or are forced to do so, they become extremely uncomfortable. Cutting Ronda off

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: On 12-Mar-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "William X. Walsh" writes: You feel quite comfortable with what you are saying? From reading Ronda's comments yes I do. I don't see her comments as being on

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], jeff Williams writes: Eberhard and all, Well said, well said! So I DO exist? el

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread William X. Walsh
On 12-Mar-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: William, it doesn't matter whether you or I think she was germain or not. In order to conduct deliberations in large groups of people one uses rules of order, in the US most commonly the RRoO. And those rules of order call for the chair to

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-12 Thread Ronda Hauben
"William X. Walsh" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writing: 12-Mar-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "William X. Walsh" writes: She exists. And she makes some very important points. I don't agree that her points are that important, but nonetheless, lets assume they are for

[IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-11 Thread Jonathan Zittrain
Ronda, I credit the earnestness of your position, and I certainly don't view your position--as I roughly understand it, that the U.S. government nurtured the Net, and that the White Paper's framework of turning certain key technical functions from the USG over to a private, public trust entity