[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-09-01 Thread William Samson
@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 23:19 Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Very cool! I stand in shame at my arrogance... I found the stuff a misery, actually, and as for the reversal properties I tended to do more damage than good. I got to where I just planed

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-09-01 Thread Garry Warber
for your lungs, it works great! Garry From: [1]sterling price Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:50 PM To: [2]Garry Warber ; [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Hi-- I have glued ribs and all the other parts of a lute with hide glue too. I do know

[LUTE] Re: long strings?damping

2011-08-31 Thread sterling price
trivial. --Sterling From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?damping This discussion would make a lot more sense if posters explained what gut is being compared

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-31 Thread sterling price
As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior to modern glue for several reasons. --Sterling Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Or, As I enjoy assuming, the old ones used the best they had, and if they'd had epoxy glue and nylon strings that's what they'd

[LUTE] Re: long strings?damping

2011-08-31 Thread Christopher Wilke
price spiffys84...@yahoo.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?damping To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 2:21 AM    Hi-    Even with gut strings on say a baroque lute it is still good to damp    the strings, otherwise it sounds messy. Also just

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-31 Thread Garry Warber
@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: long strings? As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior to modern glue for several reasons. --Sterling Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Or, As I enjoy assuming, the old ones used the best they had, and if they'd had epoxy glue

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-31 Thread William Samson
website - [1]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm Bill From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: Garry Warber garrywar...@hughes.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 7:30 Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? As any good

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-31 Thread William Samson
routinely, though of course it is likely to damage a polished surface it the alcohol gets onto it. Bill From: Garry Warber garrywar...@hughes.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 12:31 Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-31 Thread Garry Warber
Yes, regular old rubbing alcohol mix and a bit of heat is the standard joint softener. -Original Message- From: William Samson Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:33 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? I know that some top lute makers (and by 'top' I

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-31 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
To: Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior to modern glue for several reasons. --Sterling Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Or, As I enjoy assuming, the old ones used the best

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-31 Thread sterling price
From: sterling price Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:30 AM To: Garry Warber ; [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: long strings? As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior to modern glue for several reasons. --Sterling Subject: [LUTE

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-31 Thread Garry Warber
@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Hi-- I have glued ribs and all the other parts of a lute with hide glue too. I do know there are some places for titebond such as when carving the rose and a piece breaks, or making the mold... Sterling But Sterling... I'm

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread David van Ooijen
On 30 August 2011 10:27, andy butler akbut...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Beginner's questions. Is the superiority of gut down to the shorter sustain time that someone mentioned earlier? Is string damping really unpopular? (unnecessary?) No such thing as a beginner's question. Superiority is not

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread David van Ooijen
On 30 August 2011 10:38, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: imprefect in many ways. As is my spelling ... [On] another level, their imperfectiong .. and my grammar. David - doing something else in the mean time, no multi-tasking for me -- ***

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread Rob MacKillop
I agree with David. However, from the dimmest corner of my memory bank, I think Mersenne (or someone else!) indicated the bass strings should have a sustain of 20 or so heartbeats [forgive me if I am getting this all wrong!]. How long that might be depends on whether you are playing

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread Martyn Hodgson
, 30/8/11, andy butler akbut...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: andy butler akbut...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011, 9:27 David van Ooijen wrote: The basses are shortish, so a higher tuning would

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread Roman Turovsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:01 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? The superiority of gut is chiefly that it was the material used by the Old Ones. If we have any pretensions to attempting to reproduce the sounds these early lutenist composers expected and their auditors heard

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread William Samson
...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2011, 12:27 Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? There is a great likelihood that our gut is rather acoustically different from their. Lets not forget to use the honest modifier approximation of. RT - Original Message - From: Martyn

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread Valéry Sauvage
the difference (even on some recordings...) I have heard Paul O'Dette in a recital with nylgut strings and his playing was divine... V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de William Samson Objet : [LUTE] Re: long strings? I agree

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread Garry Warber
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? There is a great likelihood that our gut is rather acoustically different from their. Lets not forget to use the honest modifier approximation of. RT - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; andy

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread Christopher Wilke
Reminds me of the cover to this book: http://www.amazon.com/Your-Accomplishments-Suspiciously-Hard-Verify/dp/1449401023 Chris --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? To: lute

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
if they convinced me of merit via beautiful sound. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Garry Warber Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 8:04 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Or, As I enjoy

[LUTE] Re: long strings?damping

2011-08-30 Thread howard posner
This discussion would make a lot more sense if posters explained what gut is being compared to. In some cases, it's overwound strings, and in others, it's plain nylon. On Aug 30, 2011, at 5:00 AM, andy butler wrote: Are there any players who reckon that damping is essential? Tympanists,

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread howard posner
On Aug 30, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: However, from the dimmest corner of my memory bank, I think Mersenne (or someone else!) indicated the bass strings should have a sustain of 20 or so heartbeats [forgive me if I am getting this all wrong!]. How long that might be depends

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-30 Thread Nancy Carlin
]www.christopherwilke.com --- On Tue, 8/30/11, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? To: andy butler akbut...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Mathias Rösel
Warber Gesendet: Montag, 29. August 2011 06:16 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Correct to you... :-) What I play in the privacy of my own home is my business. Now I have to deal with lute-string police too? Grammar police I'm used to... :-) Garry -Original

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Edward C. Yong
Curiously, the small seems to be set up for 1x1, 5x2 on the fingerboard: http://quality1trader.co.uk/musical-instrument/strings/lute/theorbo-bass-lute/ Their instrument descriptions appear to be cut and pasted from the Barber Harris website. their string lengths for the small and medium

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread David van Ooijen
On 29 August 2011 10:41, Edward C. Yong ky...@pacific.net.sg wrote: guitars, but tiorbini and chittare attiorbate as well? I was under the It's my guess that they happen to have drawings of these instruments without really knowing what they are. Calling them theorbos can be a bit of a

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread David van Ooijen
Their tiorbino (Theorbo Bass Lute small ...) has (Stephen and Sandi's) description of the theorbood guitar (Theorbo Bass Lute medium). It even comes with Fontanelli's music! David - enough of this nonsense, back to work -- *** David van Ooijen

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Mathias Rösel
I suppose you're talking about this: http://quality1trader.co.uk/musical-instrument/strings/lute/theorbo-bass-lut e- medium/ You can watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNJaYInbbhs Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Garry Warber
- From: Mathias Rösel Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:14 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Garry, Do as you please and mind your bizz. Everybody does, me included. I have gut strings for basses because I like their short impulse and their quick fading. I don't

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Garry Warber
@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? I suppose you're talking about this: http://quality1trader.co.uk/musical-instrument/strings/lute/theorbo-bass-lut e- medium/ You can watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNJaYInbbhs Mathias To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Garry Warber
depends upon which expert is looking at it... :-) Garry -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Their tiorbino (Theorbo Bass Lute small ...) has (Stephen and Sandi's) description

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread David van Ooijen
.  This stuff greatly depends upon which expert is looking at it...  :-) Garry -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Their tiorbino (Theorbo Bass Lute small ...) has (Stephen

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Garry Warber
, because it required some... But, it PLAYS AND SOUNDS good. Sorry for the caps, I read that's shouting on the web; I hope your hearing wasn't damaged... :-) Garry -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:43 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread dwinheld
. __ From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:43:50 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? The point is, it has only five courses on the fingerboard. Playing any kind of lute or theorbo music

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
: [LUTE] Re: long strings? The point is, it has only five courses on the fingerboard. Playing any kind of lute or theorbo music on it would mean redrilling the bridge to accomodate six, hazardous enough on a 'decent' instrument, but I'm not sure this one will be up to it. David On 29 August

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-28 Thread Mathias Rösel
I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one get a nylon theorbo 14-course string set? I measured my 8-course lute strings, which went from 100cm to 110cm; obliviously too short... Please, no you must use gut(!) nonsense. That's correct, it isn't nonsense. Mathias To

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-28 Thread howard posner
On Aug 28, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Garry Warber wrote: I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one get a nylon theorbo 14-course string set? Never mind the strings; where did you find a nylon theorbo? I measured my 8-course lute strings, which went from 100cm to 110cm; obliviously too

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-28 Thread Robert Margo
Has anyone done business Chris Henriksen/Boston Catlines lately? I was once very satisfied dealing with him, but I don't think I've actually bought any strings in this century, and now that I finally need new ones, I feel like a string virgin again. I buy strings from him all

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-28 Thread Lex van Sante
Hi Garry, Bernd Kuerschner has nylon strings up to 180cm. As well as carbon(pvf) and gut More info at www.kuerschner-saiten.de Cheers Op 28 aug 2011, om 23:29 heeft Garry Warber het volgende geschreven: I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one get a nylon theorbo 14-course

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-28 Thread dwinheld
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:52:02 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? On Aug 28, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Garry Warber wrote: I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one get a nylon theorbo 14-course string set? Never mind the strings

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-28 Thread Garry Warber
: [LUTE] Re: long strings? I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one get a nylon theorbo 14-course string set? I measured my 8-course lute strings, which went from 100cm to 110cm; obliviously too short... Please, no you must use gut(!) nonsense. That's correct, it isn't

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-28 Thread Garry Warber
be in order. Garry -Original Message- From: dwinh...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:19 PM To: howard posner Cc: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? I also very highly recommend Chris Henriksen of Boston Catlines. Have fun, don't go too broke. Dan To get

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-28 Thread Garry Warber
, 2011 1:17 AM To: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? On Aug 28, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Garry Warber wrote: You can find anything on eBay now -a-days... :-) Garry -Original Message- From: howard posner Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 5:52 PM To: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings