Hi David, could you please tell me which gauges are you using? and
vibrating string length, too. Maybe that could help to understand your
issue.
Regards.
2013/12/18 Sean Smith [1]lutesm...@mac.com
Dear David,
I'm kind of slow in the math department but in my experience
Printed sources (chapter and verse from Brown)
1533(1) Hans Gerle Tabulatur auff die Laudten
no.32 fol.40v Mile regres
1536(7) Hans Newsidler Der ander theil des Lautenbuchs
no.44 fol.Ee3v Mile regretz
1538(1) Luis de Narvaez Los seys libros del Delphin
no.18 fol.44v Mille
David,
there is a possibility of improving your situation. First you have to make sure
you know which way the string is twisted (clockwise or counter). A strong
magnifying glass might be of help.
Next you need to get one end of the string free, either the bridge end or the
peg end.
Firmly
Great advice! I had never thought about this myself, but , yes, of course it
should be possible to increase the twist and get more flexible gut strings!
There is a type of gut string called Venice which is manufactured with a much
higher twist and is much more flexible. It behaves differently,
Do you have any old LSA Quarterlies? There is a Phalese version and an exact
transcription in January 19?? My copy is cut off and all the LSA Qs seem not to
say January on them. January is on the bottom of the page though. Tell me if
you need it and Ill scan it.
On Dec 18, 2013, at 12:45 PM,
Hi,
changing the tension of the string you change the velocity of the wave
on it. Given the fixed wavelength the result is another frequency:
velocity = wavelength x frequency
The velocity of the wave in relation to the tension: c^2 ~ tension
Result: more tension - little
in other words:
a string with lower tension is easier to tune
Dieter
David wrote:
This implies that increasing the tension would
make the string be less sensitive to changes if frequency due to change
in tension - i.e. easier to tune.
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:11:40 -0500, alexander wrote
there is a possibility of improving your situation. First you have
to make sure you know which way the string is twisted (clockwise or
counter). A strong magnifying glass might be of help. Next you need
to get one end of the string free,
To get a tone on a string there is a standing wave whose wavelenth
(half of the wavelength) is fixed by the distance between saddle and
bridge. The string's tension, weight and the wavelength give the
frequency. To tune the string you change the tension until you reach
the desired
Gary questions, How does one go about preventing the tastes of one person from
'shaping the tastes of an art'?
I really didn't frame my own argument very well. One doesn't and probably
shouldn't even try excepting with regard to one's own tastes. I'm not one to
embrace the popular by virtue
Segovia could have been polite and gentle providing that a student followed his
remarks, fingerings etc. This is nothing extraordinary in music, and there are
similar reported cases from the past centuries . Some big Maestros were known
for bullying un-subjugated pupils. (Bach was known for
On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:00 AM, JarosÅaw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote:
Bach was known for bullying kids from his choir
Really? Do you have a source for this?
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Greetings, Ralf.
Yes, i have done it on all sorts of strings, for about 30 years or so. Even top
strings, gut and synthetic.
As far as uneven distribution, the string under tension deems to distribute
whatever twist there is, evenly. If the twist is done to a reasonable degree,
and, as i
On 18/12/13 11:37 AM, howard posner wrote:
On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:00 AM, Jarosław Lipskijaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote:
Bach was known for bullying kids from his choir
Really? Do you have a source for this?
I recall reading that he was fired from an early gig for improper
relations with
The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting for at
least a part of the audience at the time it was recorded,
sounds completely outdated and boring for most people today,
and may be rediscovered in the future for some reason we would never even think
of.
Is it somehow
On Dec 18, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca wrote:
I recall reading that he was fired from an early gig for improper relations
with one of the women in the choir.
I don't doubt you read something of the sort, as there is a lot of rubbish
written about Bach. He was reproved
On 19 Dec, 2013, at 1:22 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br erne...@aquila.mus.br
wrote:
And the arab / turkish / syrian lutes in use nowadays?
And so it goes...
i'd say the Arab lute is far more relevant to this list than Segovia is.
τούτο ηλεκτρονικόν ταχυδρομείον εκ είΦωνου εμεύ
Yes indeed- Jean Lemaire des Belges' Carl Perkins to Josquin's Elvis
Presley; Don't step on my Blue Suede Shoes, but Morales never wrote a
Mass setting of that one. No vihuela duet versions coming out anytime
soon either.
- Dan
On 12/18/2013 12:10 AM, David van Ooijen wrote:
Btw,
Hi,
The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting for at
least a part of the audience at the time it was recorded,
sounds completely outdated and boring for most people today,
It's fine with me if you don't find it interesting. It's just a personal taste
(for many
It's scattered among several documents (letters etc). I don't have enough time
to dig in all of them now, but if you are really interested I could send it to
you in my spare time.
Another thing is what could be called bullying at times of Bach. Probably many
behaviors that we don't accept
Segovia was not incompetent, he was simply unmusical. He wasn't alone in
that, among the stars of his day. Pablo Casals also comes to mind, and
not a few violinists.
RT
On 12/18/2013 2:10 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote:
Hi,
The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting
Hi Roman,
Segovia was not incompetent, he was simply unmusical. He wasn't alone in
that, among the stars of his day. Pablo Casals also comes to mind, and not a
few violinists.
RT
Hmmm… we enter a very subjective territory here. Someone called unmusical for
one may seem epitome of
One could argue that the municipal authorities bullied Rosenmüller, and
caused his flight to Italy (on account of his molestation of minors).
They should have resorted to physical punishment rather than bullying.
RT
On 12/18/2013 2:24 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote:
It's scattered among several
Obviously I meant kids upbringing ;-)
JL
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One could argue that the municipal authorities bullied Rosenmüller, and
caused his flight to Italy (on account of his molestation of minors).
They should have resorted
You live in a blessed State.
Things are a bit more severe in our neck of the woods.
RT
On 12/18/2013 2:36 PM, Sean Smith wrote:
Yes, they are. No student ID req'd. Something about because our tax
dollars went to create those libraries we get to see the insides -
maybe someone more
sorry, but I want to ask: did you ever try this out yourself and
did it really work? Even if you really manage to fix the string
Back in my carbon days (don't tell anybody) I used to twist (and
slightly sandpaper) some strings on the theorbo. I used to buy carbon
fishing line in
In the latest ad from ArkivMusic i noticed advertised the Complete RCA Album
Collection of Julian Bream. Cost is $99.99 and it includes 40 CDs and 2 DVDs,
for anyone interested.
Ned
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Forgive me for forgetting who asked about the relevance of this Segovia
thread (plural), but I couldn't resist:
In Holland we have a classical guitar (OT) player who released two CDs
with Segoviana. On his latest CD he plays a period Hauser restored by
Hauser descendants with
I'm not a guitarist, but I am a cellist. I do wonder what is meant here about
both Segovia and Casals being unmusical, though perhaps this lute forum has
wandered far enough afield already.
Ned
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Well observed, David! He is a historical figure, though it is hard for
those of us who heard him playing in person to get our heads around it.
It reminds us of our own mortality.
Bill
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Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st century
LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think of him what one will
otherwise) outdated?
No doubt Mel Neusidler found papa Hans outdated. Maybe Downland thought he was
outdated. Nicolas
If you play enough Hagen, S.L W. starts to sound outdated. r
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On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote:
Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st
century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think of
him what one will otherwise) outdated?
Not at all. Implicit in the
Which doesn't mean his decisions were right...
2013/12/18 gary [1]magg...@sonic.net
I'm sure from Segovia's point of view in promoting his own tastes he
was protecting the integrity of the guitar and the music.
Gary
On 2013-12-17 13:13, Braig, Eugene wrote:
. . .
Dear lute friends,
I would like to share with you information tha it was just published
music from the lute tablature manuscripts of Krzeszow (German Gruessau)
Cistercians. Most of recorded music are world premiere recordings.
There is a beautiful music from 17th and 18th
Hi Bill and David,
Good points.
And yes, it reminds us of our own mortality, but I wouldn't say there's
anything wrong in it.
I was fortunate to attend his last recital in London 1987 (South Bank - QEH as
far as I can remember). It was a very unusual concert. Segovia could hardly
walk
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Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st
century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think
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Special greetings to Arthur :)
Rainer adS
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Shudder - a few pages only :(
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Often the choice of a few of this or that is to stimulate the listener/
player to search out more. If those who hear it just assume those are
the ones to be played and revering only those then we end up, in a
sense, worshiping the finger that points the way.
I know, it couldn't happen in
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Hi Ralf,
I think I did not correctly express the issue I am trying to understand.
The stats on the string are: Pitch at 392, length 0.685, Tension is
28newtons,Diameter is 2.03mm silver gimped Larson string. The diameter is
his equivalent ungimped diameter as opposed to the actual, physical
Dear Rainer,
That's interesting. But I have difficulty in navigating, so I won't
throw out my bound paper copy. I don't see any commentary on those
pages of the digital copies. I just have been thinking about some
information on the manuscript, and how it got from K'berg to
Thank you for pointing these out, Rainer. This looks like nearly all
the lute output from the publisher Fezandat except for his run of
books by Albert de Rippe.
Sean
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Hi David,
Have you considered the elasticity of the string material?
Two extremes would be steel (very little peg turning) and nylgut (lots of peg
turning) to bring up to pitch and tune.
Would it be due to the fact that it is a gimped string which makes it less
elastic in comparison to gut?
It might be. I have no plan to change from gut so am looking to see if changing
the tension would have an effect.
David
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Hi David,
Have you considered the elasticity of the string material?
Two
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