Hej Magnus!
Do you by chance know also anything about this other manuscript I came
across in September which is a mystery to me, but which Rudén
apparently was also aware of. Any info available?
[1]http://carkiv.musikverk.se/www/Tabulaturbok_Sacks_samling.pdf
Best
G.
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G.
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Magnus Andersson
<[1]magnusl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gà ¶ran:
Mathias Lundberg, music prof. in Uppsala, who wrote the inventory
of
Metal will put more preasure on an already weakened and deteriorating
German old glute. My advice is nylon, fishing line, gut, or other low
tension options. Speak to Mathias Rösel, he has one.
I believe, these were originally stringed with metal strings. But
though loosing some
The renaissance repertoire is such a many facetted thing. How could you
settle on just ONE composer. And pls. don't forget the Golden Age
repertory, one of its highlights!
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Dear Jelma,
which ones?
G.
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Jelma van Amersfoort
<[1]jel...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are very chromatic lute songs by John Danyel.
Jelma
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No, D-Leipzig III.11.5 doesn't contain it?
G.
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:58 AM, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
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Betreff: Re: Chromatic lute works
Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:57 Uhr
An: Baroque Lute Net
Is there a contemporary lute
I suppose, Molinaro's own fantasia 12 also qualifies?
G.
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And lets not forget
[1]FantasÃa que contrahaze la harpa en la manera de Ludovico
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And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces available.
Kapsberger?
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Thanks for Hewitt and Picinnini Eugene
Castaldi definitely counts :)
G.
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Braig, Eugene <[1]brai...@osu.edu>
wrote:
How 'bout the Gregorio Huwett fantasia (the more famous one recorded
by Bream, O'Dette, etc.)? (I really like that one.)
I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips
dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones?
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16, 2017, at 4:06 PM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces
>available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the
Phillips
>dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed th
:) an old friend of mine! Specifics please Susan.
G.
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Susan Sandman
<[1]susan.sand...@gmail.com> wrote:
Vincenzo Galilei.
It's hard, but has delightfully chromatic harmony.
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.c
Yes, of course this music is "formulaic and skinny". That's the whole
point! To allow the 10 / 11 course to sing with its newly aquired bass
register. To savour and bring out the emerging notion of "affekt". Its
a reaction to the rich polyphony of the cinquecento. Meditative,
>Unfortunately, 7 courses don't take you very far.
Could you pls. elaborate? I'm not sure what you are saying with this.
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>Unfortunately, 7 courses don't take you very far.
Even if you should only have 7 courses, that is no reason, not to play
music made for different tunings or more courses. You can always
octavate bases, and most of the music happens on those 6 original ones
anyway.
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Castaldi Cromatica Corrente
Gregorio Huwett Fantasia
Nicolas Vallet Fantasya Mendiante
Pietro Paolo Melli Capriccio Chromatico
Bach BWV 997 fuga
All except BWV 997 from ca. 1590 to 1630s?
G.
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:06 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
I i
A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic
pieces:
15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan
16. "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism.
I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for
lute."
Thanks Eugene!
Were up to 13 pieces then with Dowland's 2 :)
G.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Braig, Eugene <[1]brai...@osu.edu>
wrote:
Clarification: at least two toccatas titled "cromatica" by Piccinini,
III and XII from the first lute book (1623).
Best,
Eugene
14. Kapsberger Corrente 7 for chitarrone
Is a small performance program emerging? You'll have to be rather
dextrous though! :D
G.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:18 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Eugene!
Were up to 13 pieces then with Dowland's 2 :)
Yes, how could one have forgotten BWV 997 :)
Thanks Ed!
G.
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Edward Martin
<[1]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij
I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV
997
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Caro Francesco,
Molto bello indeed! I encoded this piece into fronimo today. But...
_
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|_c___|
|_e___|
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On page 18 of 2nd book, first chord third measure c2-c3-e4 this does
not sound right. Any suggestions?
And
You're right Ralf, I might have gotten a bit carried away, remembering
(wrongly) and not checking :) Late saturday meanderings... Sorry!
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Got it thanks to Ron.
Incroyable!
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According to Dan Brown in his newest book, "Origins", Beethoven was the
inventor of "bone conduction technology", who upon going deaf,
discovered that he could fix a metal rod to his piano, and bite down on
it as he played, enabling him to hear perfectly, through vibrations in
his
ronome).
Beethoven used his ear trumpets and Mälzel also constructed a
mechanism that was set on the piano and transported the sound directly
to the ear (around 46m).
[2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Lj8Qy2Ilk=2965s
Best regards
Markus
Am 11.11.2017 um 23:31 schrie
A myth then apparently. Interesting though, that:
The "phenomenon" of bone conduction is generally credited as being
discovered in the 1500s (though some say it can be traced back to
around 2AD). A physician, mathematician, philosopher and all-around
brilliant fella' by the name of
t-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
von G. C.
Gesendet: Montag, 13. November 2017 17:25
An: lutelist Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: German lute tablature
I mentioned finding this on Sept. 29. Only Gary Boye reacted.
I found the following book of german
Oops! Sorry Mimmo, wrong book!
Disculpe
G.
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche
<[1]mperu...@aquilacorde.com> wrote:
Hello guys,
I have found by chances this one:
[2]https://archive.org/details/urn-nbn-se-kb-digark-5441771
Is it
Dear Mimmo,
this manuscript is described in RISM B VII on pages 325-6.
BR
G.
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche
<[1]mperu...@aquilacorde.com> wrote:
Hello guys,
I have found by chances this one:
I mentioned finding this on Sept. 29. Only Gary Boye reacted.
I found the following book of german tablature online in Sweden (50
Mb):
[1]http://carkiv.musikverk.se/www/Tabulaturbok_Sacks_samling.pdf
This one was completely unknown to me. Could someone shed a light on
this find?
Well deserved "panegyrical" Ron :)
Congratulations!
G
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
For those of you who read German, we were delighted to find a new
profile of Duo Mignarda published in the online unser Luebeck
So, is this just another example of that recent (american?) phenomenon
"fake news"? The google string "Beethoven bone conduction" gives an
awful lot of hits! And Mace beating him to it is great. :) Doesn't the
custom of leaning the lute onto a table also somehow associate to the
Dear list,
I've searched the net for the C major sonata, and have only found piano
scores and a guitar score for the first movement. Has anyone here
ventured to transcribe the whole work to tab and can share?
BR
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Ralf Mattes wrote:
Simon Molitor's 'Grosse Sonate für die Guitare allein' (btw. an
amazing source
for the researcher of lute ... that man had an incredible knowledge of
the
early history of lute).
WHAT
To me, Molitor's foreword to his Op. 7 (found in IMSLP) seems
Alain,
I'm getting a lot of spam nowadays, apparently via djangolute, as that
is part of the sender name. Your account has obviously been hacked
somehow!
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I forgot to say, that it might be a good idea also to look at what
pieces have been transcribed to guitar staff or tablature. These tend
to be the easier pieces.
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:46 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, if you are looking for Renaissance lute
And again those early Italian dance tutors with tablature, like Negri
and Caroso are quite easy to play.
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:59 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
I forgot to say, that it might be a good idea also to look at
what
pieces hav
OK, if you are looking for Renaissance lute music for beginners to
intermediate, I believe there are several anthologies. Anthony Rooley,
early published a few good ones with music from the english
manuscripts. Poulton put out an easy compendium. I'm sure that Tree
Edition and both
And not yet mentioned is the Irish Bouzouki, or the bouzouki proper.
But it's perhaps a sidestep...
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I recall having seen both 5 and 6 course specimens of the now (in folk
music) so popular Irish bouzouki. It has shed its lute-like bowl body
to a more flat back "bandurria" one. Could this now be called a modern
mandora?
G.
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Braig, Eugene
So, Hans Newsidler seems to be a good place to begin, judging from the
many manuscript copies that were made of his books. He not only was an
early Renaissance lutenist, but had a didactic flair which caught on
and demonstrably also worked. (Both his sons Conrad and Melchior became
ILLEGIBLE
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What else?
Rainer
There is this one
[1][2]http://www.lute.ru/
But some of the copies are virtually unlegible.
G.
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What else?
Rainer
There is this one
[1]http://www.lute.ru/
But some of the copies are virtually unlegible.
G.
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Would it be totally misconceived to apply a comparison with modern
painting? Where the "atonal" new pieces equal non-figurative art, while
the "tonal" pieces compare to figurative modern art? For example
Pollock in the former and Dali to the latter? And is there any point in
doing
Hi,
does anyone have Jacob's current mail address? I tried
[1]ja...@musicamano.com on his homepage, but it bounces.
Pls. answer privately
Best wishes
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um 21:10 schrieb Alain Veylit:
Goran,
I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol.
38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list.
[2]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/
Cherbury_78.jpg
Alain
On 12/19/
There is such divergent policy when it comes to lute manuscripts
nowadays. One has only to look at
[1]Facsimile-Links
to see how the different libraries measure out their generosity. And
how easily accessible they make their manuscripts. (Easy full PDF
download at a click, or
I think, that one should be careful not to generalize. Like today
(where some even play with singles on ALL courses), there were
different uses also in the olden days. And look at the later 6 string
guitar, which even had double strung chanterelles for a period in time.
G.
On
Si Antonio,
very convincing. So the extra peg was perhaps an apendage from an even
earlier time, 14th-15th c.?
Funny that Sor /Aguado should have reinvented the DCC for their
Guitars!
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And Jacob Reys (1545 - 1605) "never played so well as when he was
drunk" according to contemporary documents. No reports of any "stoned"
luteplayers though, although they have apparently found traces of both
coca and hemp in pipes in Shakespeares home (if this is not just
another
Ron wrote:
In the past, I have observed (as I do) that the lion's share of posts
cropping up on the lute list fall into one of three categories: 1)
Selfies (look at my new video, instrument, cat...), 2) Discussions
about strings (animal intestines good, plastic bad), and 3)
Dear Ron,
I have the 1966 CNRS edition. Nowhere in it, is the L. Herbert
mentioned,
other than in the "Table des Sigles". No concordances. Do I have a too
old edition?
I find, that the quality of these short pieces in Cherbury are
unfortunately in no way convincing!
Kindly
Dear Jean Marie,
I beg to differ about the quality of these little sketches, but look
forward to an informed edition with the "motorized" versions. In the
meantime it would be helpful with a concordance list for these short
Gaultier pieces in the old tuning.
Best wishes
G.
Thank you Tristan for the article. No, I haven't found an online
facsimile. The library in question, Biblioteca del Conservatorio S.
Pitro a Majella does not provide any on their site.
G.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Tristan von Neumann
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
Great that you feel that way, Ron. I'm just saying, that comparing to
what there is of real quality music for the lute out there, and trying
to keep in mind, the "high reputation" of Ennemond Gaultier, I'm sadly,
not at all impressed by these alleged simple courantes and voltas in
Thanks a lot Peter!
and for all your work. Fantastic!
In this matter, I still register / The following numbers apply:
88-no concordances
101-no concordances
102-no concordances
107-2 concordances
109-no concordances
119-no concordance
120-2 concordances
127-2
PS.
And of course, I meant to say "you and Jean-Marie" SORRY! :D
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:27 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
Great that you feel that way, Ron. I'm just saying, that
comparing to
what there is of real quality music
I was not aware of lord Herbert's Jacques Gaultier extradition letter
(found on Alain's site). The fact that some of the pieces have
concordances in both Besard (1603) and Varietie (1610), also exclude
Jacques.
By the way, Alain, you should look at the concordances by Peter Steur
@ Google books, some more info on Jacques Gaultier from the 2013
Utrecht lute symposium. Article by Matthew Spring starts on page 120.
Unfortunately, the last few pages of the article are not displayed.
[1]https://books.google.no/books?id=Aev6DAAAQBAJ=PA125=PA125=
Dear Ralph,
A quick search of the "Digitale Bibliothek" doesn't seem to show any
"new" lute related material though. Have you found any?
Best
G.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Ralf Mattes <[1]r...@mh-freiburg.de>
wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 31. Ja
Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D
G.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Rainer
<[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote:
Have you received a reply?
Rainer
On 20.01.2018 10:52, Matteo Turri wrote:
We are pleased to offer complete digital copies of the
Dear All,
I recently stumbled onto this @ the Swiss Radio.
[1]https://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/quilisma/
Amor-di-liuto-9518098.html
(If you run the page url through google translate, the translation is
quite acceptable.)
The half hour podcast is about an obscure
When looking at the Gaultier pieces in Cherbury, I recall a recent
discussion on the possibility of these being by Ennemond in vieil ton.
All these pieces are very short and I must say rather pedestrian, and
not indicative of the great fame of Ennemond. Thurston Dart in his 1957
Lieber Rainer,
lass doch nicht die besoffenen Kommentare eines vollkommen unbekanten
Narres, zu solche dramatische Konsequenz führen. Wir brauchen dich
noch alle!
Viele Grüsse
G.
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
wrote:
Track list from O'Dette's CD / Piece number Veylit's edition)
1. 112
2. 119
3. 127
4. 130
5. 121
6. 105
7. 199
8. 146
9. 143
10. 144
11. 196
12. 217
13. 209
14. 225
15. 227
16. 35
17. 39
18. 70
>
> We do learn at all ages indeed ;-)!
> Au passage, thank you Alain for all your hard work so useful to
all of us !
> Jen-Marie
>
>
> Le 2 févr. 2018 à 11:10, G. C. [2]<[3]kalei...@gmail.com> a écrit
:
>
> I wa
Doctor's Orders:
The patient is to calm down by listening to some real "east meets west"
music, in the form of Ravi Shankar meets Yehudi Menuhin, to relax fom
his overexited state of mind.
A cup of bhang lassi before bedtime is also adviced.
Best
G.
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at
Jacques' hands remind me of Segovia.
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BTW. I never wrote that Jacques Gaultier was related to Enemond, so
don't know were is this supposition fromâ¦
That is from:
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 5:50 AM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Speaking of Thurston Dart, I always return to his article, "Miss Mary
Right, so all we other lutenetters interested in this should just keep
hanging. Tres bien. That's the way! Ce est le route?
G.
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier
<[1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
Jaroslaw
I do agree with you and the study of past mentalities
I agree with you Arto. The first example is quite amazing in its
compatibility. Due to a common scale, the forced duet somehow sounds
compatible. I would say a musical quirk and a coincidence. How could
Indian music be compatible with Western renaissance. No chance!
And the other
No need for u*n*s*u*b*s here. That's just being wimpy. Get it together
man, this is just a teeny weeny lute list, there should be room for all
of us, trolls and heroes alike :)
Best
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di was cool. Django and Stephane too
were cool. Or that Indian guy, George Harrison, playing the sitar on a
Beatles song. Even Gogol Bordello is a good mix. All physicists will
tell you: fusion is very difficult to do well. Miles Davis flunked it.
On 02/08/2018 11:33 AM, G.
and listened a lot. I would very much love to get
other
keyboard pieces
> in that style then, regardless :)
>
> However (also to you, G. C.) - it is not the
compatible mode,
it is also
> basic motives of the Raga
Crabaten could perhaps be "kids"
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Robert Barto <[1]r.ba...@gmx.de>
wrote:
Thank you all.
After Rainer's mail I was amazed to find Böhme's book on Google
books
where I could even download a pdf of all 900 pages.
Yes, Song number 304, page 388, which is actually page 466 if you
download the pdf
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:39 AM, [1]b...@symbol4.de <[2]b...@symbol4.de>
wrote:
Here
[3]https://books.google.de/books/about/Altdeutsches_Liederbuch.
html?id=rgY
One of my Shakti favourites must be "Peace of mind" from the "Natural
Elements" album.
[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3t15wctpN0
G.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:05 AM, George <[2]georgefos...@att.net> wrote:
My favorite east meets west: John McLaughlin and Shakti. Check out
NB: Jacques Gaultier was not a relative of Ennemond or Denis.
For pieces in Cherbury also listen to Jacob Lindberg's "Jacobean Lute
Music" BIS-2055 (2013)
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I forgot, there is a lengthy passage in Mathew Spring's book about this
matter. And also interesting is, that there is a connection with lord
Herbert and Ennemond with the Mont...(?) family.
G.
[1]https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2016/jacobean-miniature-
That is so crazy! Amazing nonetheless, a duet made in heaven, or hell.
:)
Om nama Shivaya
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wrote:
Which old thread? Subject? Message ID?
Dear Ralf,
just write "juden tantz" in the search field in the mail archive. :)
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For the new(sidler)comers, let me remind you of this old thread
When you read this: (It couldn't have been better said!)
Hie volget der Juden Tantz/und wer in schlagen wil/der muss die Lautten
anders ziehen. Nun volget der zug/zie Erstlich den Mitlern Brummer und
die klein
My opinion in this matter is, that the libraries should primarily be
there for us, the public. They are generally funded with OUR tax money
in the first place. Major libraries have understood this, and digitize
their holdings big time. We live, after all, in 2018 and not in 1980!
If you could somehow direct the Swedish government to send your taxes
to the Polish JagielloÃ
ska Biblioteka Cyfrowa, all would be well. And
I'm sure they would appreciate the support.
RA
I'm sure JagielloÃ
ska is recieving their fair share of EU funds! But
they are the good
Sorry for the wrong pronounciation, I of course meant NIGGARDLY!
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If you could somehow direct the Swedish government to send your taxes
to the Polish JagielloÃ
ska Biblioteka Cyfrowa, all would b
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Date: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema
To: Alain Veylit <[2]al...@musickshandmade.com>
When you read the foreword of old prints, there is often
Dear Ron,
look at the recently mentioned "Ein Newgeordent..." by Newsidler. It
says at the bottom of the introductory page:
Mit Roemischen Kaiser und Koeniglichen Majestaet, freyheit/ in funff
iaren nit nach zu drucken / begnadet.
What is this but a royally decreed copyright? And
I know, that's what I'm saying, thanks Antonio! Newsidler's book of
1536 on page 2 is also a letter from the "king" giving him personally
the privileges, with threats of fines to those who try to copy. Half to
the king, and half to Neusiedler.The printer is mentioned at the end of
Recent concert by Hopkinson Smith
[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROED-NYONk4
[2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iurTmcgjK3U
[3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaCJ9PnPUa8
[4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syuDSHXybZI
[5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50W7InVe_cE
Dear Daniel,
those intabulations would be wonderful to be able to access! Are they?
Best
G.
On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Daniel Shoskes
<[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pat's wonderful arrangements were fully intabulated.
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Renaissance lute looks like might support that supposition.
On 08/03/2018 12:17 PM, G. C. wrote:
They are playing on guitars, 3 or 4 of them. And what is that
subliminal track in the
Bulman
Van Wilder
Kemp
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They are playing on guitars, 3 or 4 of them. And what is that
subliminal track in the back, with birds and electronic sounds?
G.
[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJA=1441s
On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 6:49 AM, Alain Veylit
<[2]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote:
It's all
The guitarists spring to mind with their alfabetto and chord diagrams:
Foscarini, Sanz, Pablo Minguet y Yrol etc.
G.
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Leonard Williams
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As chordal music (as opposed to polyphonic) became more
prevalent,
Juan Carlos Amat's little book Guitarra Espanola y Vandola (?) was
published already in 1596 but the earliest surviving edition is from
1627.
[1]https://imslp.org/wiki/Guitarra_espa%C3%B1ola%2C_y_vandola_(Amat%2C_
Juan_Carlos)
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Interestingly, the compendium is for spanish guitar of 5 courses, 2
pages about the 4 couse guitar and then the same again in catalan, but
with improved diagrams. (The text says that the first version was made
in 1586 already!)
Irrespective of the ragas=renaissance pieces, (which I think is
bollocks, and I've been playing the sitar since the early 70s) it is
extremely bad nettiquette to publish mails to the list that have
clearly been sent as private correspondance!
Another question is: "What is S*P*A*M*?
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