[LUTE] Test piece workout, for Loaded 6th course

Fellow luters, I have found the perfect piece of music for thoroughly vetting a 6th course (and 5th , also) for intonation up the neck. This one will really let you know if your bass & octave can truly cut it! And a great workout for you and your lute in any case. Marco Dall'Aquila, #9 from

[LUTE] Re: Test piece workout, for Loaded 6th course

Of course, I'll take over the driving. Sorry to have caused concern. Chris. On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Dan Winheld <[1]dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote: Fellow luters, I have found the perfect piece of music for thoroughly vetting a 6th course (and 5th , also) for intonation

[LUTE] Re: Test piece workout, for Loaded 6th course

My apologies, this is not a reply to this email. On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Christopher Stetson <[1]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: Of course, I'll take over the driving. Sorry to have caused concern. Chris. On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Dan Winheld

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Simple physics: the strings are not uniform along their lengths, something that is actually difficult to achieve but something we have become accustomed to with newer more sophisticated methods of making strings. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Retired Principal Materials

[LUTE] Re: String calculators

I use Paul Beier's softaware which can be downloaded there : http://www.musico.it/lute_software/StringCalculator.html Best wishes, Jean-Marie -- >Can anyone recommend a good online string calculator? I used to use >Arto's, but I'm currently being blocked by Java on my Mac (running

[LUTE] Re: No problems on my lute! Was: basses in octaves

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:33 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: > > Very good video, Arto! I didn’t much care for the piece he played. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

perhaps your octaves are too weak: low tension means in fact inharmonicity in may occurences. Also with higher tension the string need to be thicker: the difference of section between bass and octave is smaller, and much more easy to be in tune when fingered in higher position.

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Could you explain what you mean Ron, I don't understand this at all. Why do you say the interval of a third is a dissonant interval? Best Matthew > On Mar 1, 2017, at 5:13, Ron Andrico wrote: > > 3) It's not the g string on guitar that is the cause of the tuning >

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

The major third is a dissonance in equal temperament because it is way too big. Even the perfect major third was considered to be an imperfect consonance in the dark ages. Lex > Op 1 mrt. 2017, om 09:03 heeft Matthew Daillie het > volgende geschreven: > > Could you

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Dear All, A few points which might help clarify the discussion: Maybe the problem with the CD string is is has stretched more in the section on the fingerboard than the section nearer the bridge - as Mimmo says, a good test is to turn the string round. No problem with having equal tension

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

I have another opinion.In order to preserve the so called equal feel of tension the octave string of the two of the course must have more tension then the bass string. I suggest around 5% more. Why? because even if you calculated the two strings of the course with the same tension the thin

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

In the "dark times", actually medieval times, they used the Pythagorean tuning, in which the major third is even larger than in the equal temperament. That third really is very dissonant! Arto On 01/03/17 10:18, Lex van Sante wrote: The major third is a dissonance in equal temperament

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

None of the intervals are perfect in equal temperament (they all 'beat'). I agree with the the major third on the open strings of a modern guitar being classed as an imperfect consonance, but Ron describes it as being 'dissonant'. Best Matthew > On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:18, Lex van Sante

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Sorry, I meant 'pure', not 'perfect'. Best Matthew > On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:43, Matthew Daillie wrote: > > None of the intervals are perfect in equal temperament (they all 'beat'). I > agree with the the major third on the open strings of a modern guitar being >

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Mimmo, Just to see if I have understood you correctly, please confirm or correct the following statement, which tries to put your explanation in another way: If you want to have the octave at the same tension as the fundamental, you must choose a string whose thickness (before it is stretched)

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Yes, sometime my english is too fluent. well you understood correctly. example: 1.40 mm for the bass .70 mm for the octave This mean exactly an equal tension. But when you install them the octavestring drop its gauge more than the 140. In practice the best solution is to install a 73 instead

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Guys, This discussion is not about whether one should use pythagorean or equal temperament, it is about two strings in octavbles on the same course not being in tune together, by the time I've reached 5th fret, and the dissonance increases as I go beyond 5th fret. the only change

[LUTE] String calculators

Can anyone recommend a good online string calculator? I used to use Arto's, but I'm currently being blocked by Java on my Mac (running Sierra — OS 10.12). Or perhaps someone more tech savvy than I (easily done!) knows a work-around. Thanks and regards, Leonard Williams To get on or off

[LUTE] Re: String calculators

Neither I dare let Java applets run, but my most simple calculator runs in JavaScript, see https://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Calcs/mc.html I use that, but you'll certainly find more advanced calculators, too. Arto On 01/03/17 15:59, Leonard Williams wrote: Can anyone recommend a good

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Buno, came here and we will have space to take some good red wine or white prosecco, because I am in veneto and the Prosecco is the king here. Ah, and some hand made foods, of course. I have done a video for my FB were i have done some tests: my setup has not this kind of problem. However

[LUTE] Re: String calculators

[1]http://www.niskanenlutes.com/index.php?p=stringcalc works well 2017-03-01 10:00 GMT-05:00 Arto Wikla <[2]wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu>: Neither I dare let Java applets run, but my most simple calculator runs in JavaScript, see

[LUTE] No problems on my lute! Was: basses in octaves

Hi lute gang and Bruno Bruno and others had problems in getting Aquila loaded nylgut CD and normal NNG strings work well in tune, when used as a pair fundamental-octave. I have had no problem in this. Here is the proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVmmPulDLVc=youtu.be The strings are

[LUTE] Re: No problems on my lute! Was: basses in octaves

Very good video, Arto! Rob On 1 March 2017 at 15:29, Arto Wikla <[1]wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Hi lute gang and Bruno Bruno and others had problems in getting Aquila loaded nylgut CD and normal NNG strings work well in tune, when used as a pair

[LUTE] Re: String calculators

Also on Dan Larson's "Gamut" website: http://www.gamutstrings.com/calculators/calculator.htm On 3/1/2017 5:59 AM, Leonard Williams wrote: Can anyone recommend a good online string calculator? I used to use Arto's, but I'm currently being blocked by Java on my Mac (running Sierra — OS 10.12).