this
instrument as an archlute and it works quite well indeed.
I think that's it for my memorabilia ;-).
Tony, hope to see you at our concert on Saturday !
Best to eveybody,
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Exactly Jerzy.
I think that's what theoreticians call tactus inequalis : 1 tactus in a
binary measure (= normally a half measure in modern transcriptions ) is
equivalent to 1 tactus in triple time ( one measure in modern transcrition). In
other words if you beat time with a regular tactus in
of a pavan measure.
In mensural notation (not modern, often changing values) it might be:
3 half notes of a galliard (one measure) = 1 half note in a pavan
(1/4 of a measure).
On 2008-02-05, at 17:49, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
Exactly Jerzy.
I think that's what theoreticians call tactus
I don't quite agree on that one ! I've been playing a lot of the English broken
consort repertoire and my colleagues always had fun too, believe me. This music
usually leaves a lot of space for divisions of other instruments than the lute
and it depends on how much the other musicians like to
Merci Bernd !!!
Everything's OK then, Jerzy !
Best ,
Jean-MArie
=== 05-02-2008 18:51:39 ===
PS : sorry I used a wrong name in my first post; I had not paid enough
attention to your
signature :-(
Jurek, c'est le terme d'affection de Jerzy.
:-)
bonne soirée!
B.
of a galliard (one measure) = 1 half note in a pavan
(1/4 of a measure).
On 2008-02-05, at 17:49, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
Exactly Jerzy.
I think that's what theoreticians call tactus inequalis : 1
tactus in a binary measure (= normally a half measure in modern
transcriptions ) is equivalent to 1
Jaroslaw,
I think it's right ! I have attached two examples : the first strain of the
Pavane La Bataille in Phalèse, Chorearum Molliorum, 1583, and the eqivalent
first strain of the adjoining Gaillarde. What I tried to explain is apparent
here and the tactus inequalis applies perfectly. I was
Sorry, Jaroslaw, the list doesn't seem to take attachments... :-(
JM
=== 06-02-2008 13:33:01 ===
Jaroslaw,
I think it's right ! I have attached two examples : the first strain of the
Pavane La Bataille in Phalèse, Chorearum Molliorum, 1583, and the eqivalent
first strain of the
, to a photographic site for example.
Nice to see you on this list.
Regards
Anthony
Le 6 févr. 08 à 13:38, Jean-Marie Poirier a écrit :
Sorry, Jaroslaw, the list doesn't seem to take attachments... :-(
JM
=== 06-02-2008 13:33:01 ===
Jaroslaw,
I think it's right ! I have attached two
Oops ! I forgot about those accents in French - on Phalèse - that IE refuses
to accept !
It should be OK now.
Jean-Marie
=== 06-02-2008 14:25:16 ===
there seems to be a path error!
So, Jaroslaw and all those interested, my music examples are here :
Jaroslaw,
I'm afraid missed your point altogether :-(( ! Sorry about that.
I totally agree with what you say in this last mail, of course...
All the best,
Jean-Marie
=== 06-02-2008 15:17:10 ===
Jean-Marie,
Actually I haven't said I don't agree with what you wrote. I just reacted
Better still : A Performer's Guide to Seventeenth-Century Music, edited by
Stewart Carter (Schirmer Books, 1997), chapter 15 by George Houle : Meter and
Tempo, full of interesting information !
Best,
Jean-Marie
=== 07-02-2008 13:32:55 ===
Good point, Ron, and another good (short)
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before and, of no further use. They only add to the size of the
e-mail.
I hope this helps
Ron (UK)
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PS If it's of any succour, it may be that some early amateurs might possibly
have played small theorbos in A or G as double reentrant (altho no evidence
has been presented) but I presume we are speaking about 'best practice' here.
Jean-Marie
There is a beautiful one too, for Charles de Gallot (1669) in the de Gallot
guitar manuscript from the Bodleian Library, Oxford UK. You can hear it played
by Thierry Meunier on the website of our ensemble Le Trésor d'Orphée :
http://tresordorphee.free.fr/thm.htm
Best,
Jean-Marie
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Well, Timo, I suspect Finland must be one of Google's pet countries... ;-)
Here, in France, I have the same problem as many others on the list : I get a
map of the world with little red flags and the comment : Places mentioned in
the text in French though but, that's all. No theorbo and no
Very beautiful piece and excellent interpretation too ! This instrument and you
sound great.
Thanks for this fine mp3, Rob, and very best wishes for a total and fast
recovery.
Jean-Marie
=== 12-02-2008 11:54:02 ===
This one is very moving, and I hope
you enjoy listening to it. I
Ron,
1 - Maybe you should send an email to Francesco Tribioli directly. He usually
answers questions on troubles with Fronimo.
2 - Try to suppress all the Fronimo fonts from the Windows Font directory and
re-install the lot from Fronimo directory in you Program Files dir. using the
new font
Sean,
I was away for the week-end and coming home now (sunaday evening French time) I
find your message about the Spinaciono coloquium in Tours, last December. I
wasn't there unfortunately, but a friend who attended the colloquium did a nice
report on the French lute list. Alas, for you,
come back from a week's well deserved holidays on the other side of the
Mediterranean !
It's only a report, but well worth reading.
All the best,
Jean-Marie
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Sean,
I was away for the week-end
David,
I currently use Aquila loaded basses on my 6 course Frei (62 cm) for courses 6
and 5. I've used them for quite a few months now and they work perfectly well,
stay in tune with a very ice tone color.
Best,
Jean-Marie
=== 25-02-2008 11:53:32 ===
Did anybody try our Aquila's new
: Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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| Thank you a thousand times Arthur for this exciting account of
Gian Maria's exalted life !
| Thank heavens, not all Gian Marias are violent
Thank you very much, Arthur, for your excellent explanations about
concordances, sources and the complexity involved in researching them.
Just one little point, about Musica Nova : it IS OOP but you can find several
good second-hand copies on specilised sites like Abebooks. If Martin follows
.Whats the other title of this absolute masterpiece ? Isn't it something like
Rob in the hood ? ;-)))
Jean-Marie
PS : contact me before you smash any of your lutes up, Rob !
=== 12-03-2008 07:53:23 ===
Such nuance. Such subtlety. There is much we can learn there. Thanks Roman!
My
Jolly good, Benjamin ! Old Bob ;-) de Visée's lute lusic certainly
deserves a lot more attention than it usually receives, and I am glad that your
article contributes to that. I am impatient to read your essay.
All the best,
Jean-Marie Poirier
=== 14-03-2008 15:29:29
Passion is a delicious fruit too, David ;-) ! I agree with you and I also
deplore the standardization of lute sound in recent recordings. But H2s or
equivalent devices can be very useful, impartial tools to work with, certainly
NOT to make a Cd !!! I am preparing to do a recording next summer
Would you mean single bells ? ;-)
=== 17-03-2008 21:38:47 ===
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True, Igor. Massimo Moscardo, who plays tiorbino for this Alpha cd, is a name
that sounds very, very French indeed ;-) !
Best wishes,
Gianmaria, francese
=== 18-03-2008 07:13:30 ===
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Anthony, you were faster than me !... I will have to survive with my old
photocopies ;-(
Jean-Marie
=== 26-03-2008 10:14:52 ===
Dear Peter
I sent a message to Abe books saying I was ready to buy the
copy.
Perhaps I am one of hundreds, but thanks for sending the
Anthony
Le 26 mars 08 à 13:00, Jean-Marie Poirier a écrit :
Anthony, you were faster than me !... I will have to survive with
my old photocopies ;-(
Jean-Marie
=== 26-03-2008 10:14:52 ===
Dear Peter
I sent a message to Abe books saying I was ready to buy the
copy
I do concur, Luca !
Jean-Marie
=== 26-03-2008 14:51:14 ===
Dear friends,
it's crazy. I cannot figure out why a decent 2nd edition could not be
re-issued!
I bought in the US the copy auctioned on eBay last week and ended up
paying:
- US$ 102,50 for the book
- US$ 36
Hi Brad,
If you can find your way around in French have a look at this web page :
http://le.luth.free.fr/mandore/index.html
I put it up a few weeks ago because I have developped a great interest in the
French mandore (17tn century) and I am expecting my first instrument in the
next few days
your
interest to the appropriate parties, so I am sure someone will be
looking into it.
Best regards,
David Bryant
Harvard University Press
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Anthony,
I remember there was an exhibition of the Chambure collection at the
Bibliothèque Nationale (not yet de France at the time) in 1980. I still have
the complete catalogue of this extraordinary collection of music - printed and
manuscripts - and instruments. A real treasure indeed, more
I had the same problem with tthem Rob, for other downloads... They eventuelly
sent me a different address system and I could download what I had paid for, at
2 ko/second... It took the day !
They should do something to improve their service and make it reliable. Too
bad, especially as they
.
They obviously read this list. I'm sure some of you have had no problems,
but clearly some of us have had problems. Apparently we should all apologise
to them, so here goes: I am indeed sorry I bothered trying to download one
of your discs. It won't happen again.
Rob
On 28/03/2008, Jean-Marie Poirier
Why is that so, Rob ? Did one of them bite you when you were a child ;-) ?
Best,
Jean-Marie
=== 02-04-2008 13:38:45 ===
A couple of folks have written to me off-list suggesting an 8c. Sorry, not
interested. Just don't like them. Neither one thing or another. I'll go
either 7 or 10.
No Stewart, it didn't get lost : I got it in my mailbox a couple of hours ago.
It just took its time to fly across the Channel AND the Atlantic !
Best wishes,
Jean-Marie
=== 02-04-2008 17:22:57 ===
Dear Rob,
I sent this message yesterday evening, but it seems to have got lost in
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à 15:27, Jean-Marie Poirier a écrit :
Anthony, Rob,
Why such a disdain for 8 c. lutes ? I have one and will soon have a
new one from David Van Edwards and I love the instrument : well-
balanced, convenient for most of the repertoire from 1560 to 1620.
It puzzles me to see you reject
Fine with me, David. That's a deal ! ;-)
Jean-Marie
=== 02-04-2008 21:05:30 ===
I have a suggestion that will solve all our problems. How about
this: on odd-numbered years the 8- course will be proclaimed the
best all-purpose renaissance lute, and on even-numbered years the
Ok Valéry, get your Lagavulin ready then !!! ;-)
Jean-Marie
=== 03-04-2008 14:02:30 ===
Should we make a Club of the 8 course proud users ?
Val (is it an half penny idea ?)
;-)))
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Thank you, Arthur, for sharing this exciting memory about the Donaueschingen
Manuscript. Fascinating, as susual !
All the best,
Jean-Marie Poirier
Dear Bernd and Denys,
That is most likely a Venetian street song. El fuso is Venetian
dialect (NOT Spanish as in RISM for Munich 1511B!!!sigh
Kohut... ? Could he be a misspelt reincarnation of Kohaut ? ;-)))
Jean-Marie
=== 16-04-2008 23:28:48 ===
This page left me speechless:
http://www.kiltmagazine.com/KiltMagMusic0305.html - does anyone know this
guy? He even 'quotes' me - I said no such thing. And it's good to have
they can.
Discuss...
Rob MacKillop
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to make the so-called revival of the interest in
Early Music possible.
I am very happy to know part of this network in spite of all the frustrations
you express !
Take care, as our American friends say, and all the best,
Jean-Marie Poirier (from France)
=== 02-06-2008 11:31:02 ===
on 22
I've posted a picture of this painting (L'homme au luth) here :
http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/JMP
Just join the group (free) and enjoy !
Best,
Jean-Marie
=== 03-06-2008 15:24:22 ===
Lots of good questions that obviously haven't been
satisfactorily answered. One thing that has
Just go there first, Valéry : http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/JMP ;-)
Jean-Marie
=== 03-06-2008 16:45:21 ===
I think you are speaking of the lute player, in Troyes (France) Beaux-arts
museum, with uncertain attribution to Rubens.
I saw many times the original and some strings are red
Same here :-(
Jean-Marie
=== 05-06-2008 20:58:36 ===
I couldn't get any of the sound files to work. Pity.
Rob
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:-)
David
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Dear Stewart and all,
I am not a great enthusiast of meantone temperament as a result of my readings
of concordant theoretical sources which do not seem to advocate this particular
tuning, and of my experience in consort playing. Of course, I do use it when
requested to, no problem, but not so
, but
a good player can bend notes a little to alter
the pitch, something a keyboard player cannot do.
Best wishes,
Stewart.
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Meantone
Dear Stewart and all,
I am
;-))
=== 19-06-2008 09:07:17 ===
Jean-Marie Poirier écrit:
Anyway, the bulk of historical evidence is clearly in favour of a more or
less equal temperament when considering fretted instruments like lutes or
viols, and the ear of the musician (not the OT-12 or any other tuner ;-)
usually
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Sent: 18 June 2008 21:58
To: lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Meantone
Dear David,
Thank you for your reply. Of course I agree about most of your
assertions, but I am still very reluctant to adhere to the general
enthusiasm regardin the so-called
-
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Sent: 18 June 2008 21:58
To: lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Meantone
Dear David,
Thank you for your reply. Of course I agree about most of your
assertions, but I am still very reluctant to adhere to the general
enthusiasm regardin the so-called
in the 16th -
18th centuries. It is not a clear-cut matter with certainties and final
conclusions : doubts, doubts, and experiments...
All the best,
Jean-Marie
=== 18-06-2008 23:24:06 ===
On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
Anyway, the bulk of historical evidence
In France, from my experience, we tend to use A =404, aka the Peugeot pitch
;-) a lot for the early baroque repertoire.
Jean-Marie
=== 30-06-2008 17:41:50 ===
David,
Not impressed. Black Sabbath was playing at 370
and below, way before anyone else back in the early
1970's. Most
Hi Marco,
One place to start :
http://www.bncf.firenze.sbn.it/Bib_digitale/Manoscritti/M19_105/main.htm
There are more but I'm on my way to work ;-( I'll try to gather more links
later on.
Haave a good day,
Jean-Marie
=== 02-07-2008 04:36:00 ===
Probably an already asked
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À : lute
Objet : [LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
???
Jean-Marie
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Not reborn at all, our dear old René... Pure blank ... ;-) :-(
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on our lute? Conversely, if we play him badly,
will he haunt us in our nightmares?
Sorry Rene if our performance practice has offended you. Just be
happy that over 300 years later, people are still playing your music!
DS
On Wednesday, July 02, 2008, at 08:06AM, Jean-Marie Poirier
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Oh, Henning ! Don't do that again please ;-))) Come on, plain text and no html
anymore please.
I also change my courses1 and 2 when shifting to new tunings, otherwise the
blance is very poor indeed and the lute uncomfortable to play.
Never heard of single second courses either...
Best wishes
Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf
from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever...
Is it the same with you ?
=== 02-07-2008 19:09:22 ===
By the way, the totally excellent International Music Score Library project
/IMSLP:File_formats
to see if you have a compatible PDF reader.
Regards,
The Other Stephen Stubbs.
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf
from their site I get a message error saying the file
checked/cleared for
public domain, which isn't quite the same thing as corrupt. I just did the
Fortune my Foe one, which apparently has been cleared and it worked fine.
Tony
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of PDF reader is not supported.
Check out
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to see if you have a compatible PDF reader.
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a
pdf from their site I get
I have some home-made in stock. You're welcome any time, Roman !
Jean-Marie
=== 04-07-2008 20:11:14 ===
Real men drink calvados.
RT
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Subject
a message
saying that the file is still blocked. Try Attaingnant (Deux Livres
d'Orgue) and see if that works for you.
Daniel Heiman
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Sill an anti-French stratagem ;-))) ???
Never mind, we've got the wine. Gallo's zinfandel
Stephen,
Keep an eye on your private mailbox : I have just sent you a scan of the
original piece (Nn 6.36)
Best,
Jean-Marie
=== 10-09-2008 06:07:55 ===
I have two versions of Packington's Pound, both supposedly from
Cambridge Nn.6.36.
They differ in a number of respects,
Hi Stephen,
This scan of Packington Pound comes from volume 1 in the series Music for the
Lute entitled Elizabethan Popular Music edited by Brian Jeffery and
published by Oxford University Press (1968). A long time out of print, I'm
afraid, but still useful, as you noticed !
As far as I know
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| Dear collective wisdom,
|
| Could anyone on this list give me some precisions about the attribution
of some pieces in Galilei's
Martin, such quality is something special to French churches, didn't you notice
? ;-
Jean-Marie ( no kidding I agree 100% with what you wrote about recording and I
also own a H2 Zoom : wonderful little machine !)
Just an aside - the small size and built-in mics of the Zoom make it
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Other Matters:
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Valery, I was going to ask the same question about which tutors advocate
playing close to the bridge... I remember something like that but in the
baroque period, not in the renaissance, and it seems that the increasing
number of strings/courses influenced the right hand position and that
Well put, Vance. A very sensible account of the problem of sound ! Thanks for
making things clear for everybody. There's relativity in everything, as someone
said before me... ;-)
Jean-Marie
=== 28-09-2008 18:01:08 ===
I suspect a couple of things on this issue that go toward the
Hi Greet,
This song is by Guillaume Tessier, Charles's father, and the only known source
is an incomplete set of parts of 1584 : altus missing, so it needs
reconstructing. The original edition of 1582 is worse : we only have the tenor
part !
To my knowledge, there was never a version with lute
bericht-
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Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: No ay en la tierra
Hi Greet,
This song is by Guillaume Tessier, Charles's father, and the only known
source is an incomplete set of parts of 1584
Gentlemen,
I kindly advise you to read the following book :
Musiques savantes, musiques populaires : les symboliques du sonore en FRance ,
1200 - 1750 by an excellent ethnolmusicologist Luc Charles-Dominique. It
published by the CNRS Editions (available there :
Hips, barman, one more vodka, please ;-) !
JM
=== 03-10-2008 20:15:14 ===
Amateurs of strumming strings... just for fun :
[1]http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=HLOImuuc7Y4
Val ;-)
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Puzzling, indeed ! I really look forward to the publication of Ian Harwood's
book on the subject. Last time I went over to Norwich, in June this year, David
van Edwards told me the book was well under way. I contacted Ian by email after
that and he told me the same thing, but also that he had
that it will
be an excellent book.
Best wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Broken consort
Puzzling, indeed ! I really look forward to the publication of Ian
Harwood's book on the subject
Dear Monica,
A hearty thank you for putting all this fascinating stuff online. Don't worry,
some will enjoy it, I already do !
Thanks for sharing all this tremendous amount of work.
All the best,
Jean-Marie
=== 04-10-2008 21:56:27 ===
Dear List
I now have on my web page a
I have had the same experience as Nancy, and playing consorts with a recorder
was not a problem at all. You can just check that by listening to The Sacred
End Pavin ( http://tinyurl.com/54jvhd ) and the Galliard to The Sacred End (
http://tinyurl.com/4tw9mp ). No bandora, a bass lute in D
Sadly true, Doc...for fear we might get wired up ;()
Jean-Marie
=== 06-10-2008 12:37:36 ===
No wire strings??? What IS this world coming to...
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Thank you for the tip, Howard, but I must say that is one of the most
impractical sites I have ever visited online :-( ! . I could not find out how
it worked and how you could order anything from them. Eventually I wrote to
the address indicated for Diapason Press on the site and never got an
Dear Eric,
Thank you for these precisions about your transcriptions of Wilson's preludes,
but I think what Arthur meant was that M. Spring's transcription edited by
Diapason Press was difficult to read, not the facsimile...
Best,
Jean-Marie
=== 06-10-2008 22:51:11 ===
My reason
Quite correct, Juan.
Same problem with Walter Gerwig, another pioneer who would largely deserve a
decent page on the web, like Eugen Müller Dombois... Even Diana Poulton remains
absent from the web ! Time to do something, maybe.
I devoted a page to some lute pioneers on one of my sites, but
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: John Wilson Preludes
| Dear Eric,
|
| Thank you for these precisions about your transcriptions of Wilson's
Dear Arthur,
I checkep up for you in Simpson's Broadside Ballads for Greenseleeves. Here's
what Simpson says :
The earliest reference to 'Greensleeves' in the Sationers' Register is dated
September 3, 1580, when Richard Jones was licensed to print A newe northern
Dittye of ye Ladye Greene
Dear Donna and Ron,
May I remind you that Chris Goodwin, of the English Lute Society, published his
own transcriptions of the lute music in this particular manuscript (BL Stowe
389) and that these transcriptions were distributed as one of the music
supplements of their Lute News quarterly. I
Thank you, Ron, for your reply. It was just a reminder, not a cristicism at
all. I do appreciate your reconstruction and thanks for sharing it here. I
meremy thought is was interesting to compare your solutions with Chris's to
make this otherwise rather confusing material by Ralph Bowles
Chris Goodwin has just given me the exact date of this publication of his
transcriptions of Stowe 389 : It was March 1996, issue 37...
Jean-Marie
=== 14-10-2008 10:19:25 ===
Dear Donna and Ron,
May I remind you that Chris Goodwin, of the English Lute Society, published
his own
You are absolutely right, Dana, and I totally concur. I was simply quoting the
exact passage of Claude Simpson's book which Arthur Ness did not remember
precisely. I never intended to say it was THE definitive solution !
Thank you for your very appropriate precisions.
All the best,
Jean-Marie
Yes, Nancy, there are a few more pieces which can be made interesting with a
bit of editing. Keep an eye on your private mailbox !
Best wishes,
Jean-Marie
=== 14-10-2008 19:02:10 ===
Those are really nice pieces. Are there any more like them in that
manuscript?
Nancy Carlin
True, indeed. Just a reminder about Spinaccino :
http://ricercar.cesr.univ-tours.fr/3-programmes/EMN/luth/corpus/corpus_luthistes.php
Enjoy and I hope Dalza will have some similar celebration somewhere in the
world...
Best
Jean-Marie
=== 17-10-2008 22:19:41 ===
No, Luca,
...Good point Mathias, and don't forget our good old Frenchy Perrine and hi
s Livre de musique pour le lut. Contenant une m?tode nouvelle et facile pour ap
rendre ? toucher le lut sur les notes de la musique (...) et une table pour apre
ndre ? toucher le lut sur la basse continu? pour
Welcome back igor.
We were all missing your subtle sense of humour sooo much !
JMP
=== 09-11-2008 14:44:20 ===
Not bed ! desafinado but in time ! They should definitely go for
more if open sound
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From Julia Craig McFeely's thesis ( http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/julia/ )
1/ Galliard for 2 lutes after Lavecchia (= after laveche )
FIRST : Ballet Lute Book, 46
SECOND : Ballet Lute Book,47
Musically unrelated to Johnson's 'Lavecchia' pavan and galliard, even though
this galliard and
,
Manolo
El 23/11/2008, a las 21:22, Jean-Marie Poirier escribió:
From Julia Craig McFeely's thesis ( http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/julia/
)
1/ Galliard for 2 lutes after Lavecchia (= after laveche )
FIRST : Ballet Lute Book, 46
SECOND : Ballet Lute Book,47
Musically unrelated
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