The same is true for "d'ou vient cela", it's no. 23
"You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop"
Rumi
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Sermisy's_D'où_vient_cela?=
Local Time: July 26, 2017 12:27 PM
UTC Time: July 26, 2017
Thanks Anthony,
that's quite a wonderful resource.
Best regards
Jurgen
"You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop"
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimile links to lute sources
Local Time: June 14, 2017 10:16
In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend the
purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some of the
terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on YouTube
have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The
Apart from the language, what is the difference between your dataset
and the Excel document that he updates with every new instalment?
Jurgen
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You may check Gerbode's Excel file and sort it by difficulty. He has
ratings of 1...6 and sometimes they are _very_ subjective but it may
help to get an idea of the degree of challenge of the individual piece.
Jurgen
--
"There is a voice that
Dear Martin,
very generous of you and very instructive. Thank you very much,
Jurgen
"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I
will meet you there."
JalÃl ad-Dën Muhammad Rumi
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Subject: [LUTE] new videos
Thank you for sharing. Yes technical exercises is not everybody's
approach. But I do think that _A LITTLE_ of it every day surely is
beneficial.
Best
Jurgen
--
"There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen."
JalÃl ad-Dën Muhammad
Please can you link to Göran Crona edit? I only know of Jason Curtis' work
which is uploaded on the Fronimo Yahoo! group.
Jurgen
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On 22 June
lute & kora wow - that is interesting and should sound great. Keep us posted!
Jurgen
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On 26 July 2018 6:20 PM, Martin Shepherd wrote:
> Thanks to
oops sorry part of the link was gone it's all there, thanks a lot!
Jurgen
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On 26 July 2018 12:32 AM, Alain Veylit wrote:
> I think this is the one
Sorry your links create a "not found" error
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On 26 July 2018 12:32 AM, Alain Veylit wrote:
> I think this
sberger, 2 by J.B. Besard, 1 by
> Gorzanis, 1 by Piccinini, a couple in the Danzig MS 4022, and some
> English duets kind of tagging along ... It might make an interesting
> ground for a concert on a theme (or an interesting theme for a concert
> on a ground...)
>
> On 07/25/2018 09:30 PM,
How does it compare to Paul O'Dette recording of the Cherbury Lute book?
Jurgen
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On 1 August 2018 8:56 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
> Today, the
For what it's worth, here is a reminder of an experiment how false claims,
repeated over and over again, become accepted by some individuals. Tristan, I
see your attempts to convince people precisely in this line of practice.
To simply your google research, here's a link to a wiki article
I'm just googling around for Bartolotti's works and I only found paid versions
on sites that just repost the faksimile. Would anybody here have a link to an
online downloadable source of either book (Florence 1640 and Rome 1655)?
Jurgen
--
“There is a voice
usic and Renaissance Music were played side by side, though not
> simultaneously. It's only a matter of time until someone does live what
> I do in the mashups.
> Said concert will be broadcast in September on BBC, I'll post the link then.
>
> http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/16352971.revie
thanks for sharing the info, his cases look really solid and the price is very
close to Kingham cases.
J
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On 6 September 2018 3:21 PM, wrote:
>
There are interesting options with today's guitar technology. I use a Cordoba
"mini" travel guitar for finding fingerings, writing tabs etc on my desk where
I wouldn't like to take my lute because of reduced space and the too high
humidity. That guitar with the a string length of 55cm comes
Hello there,
I was notified of a publication on academia.edu - the book is _really_
not bad at all in spite of the ridiculous cover and confusing title. It
treats sound production as right hand technique on the lute and how
instructions found in modern methods compare to original
I was looking at the OPAC of the royal library in Brussels, but there
seems to be no facsimile online. Does anybody know of a facsimile
somewhere on the net? Maybe the manuscript isn't (quote Arthur N.)
"very exciting" but maybe the lute songs are interesting
Jurgen
There are many great songs by Hugo Wolf - the piano score would need to be
reduced in ambitus to fit in the range of any lute.
Johann Kaspar Mertz is the only "real" guitar composer of the romantic period
AND often (not all of it) is fairly hard to play. What is even more
interesting about
Hello there,
another thread on this list motivated me to ask - the title of
Valderrabano's publication "Silva de Sirenas" renders if latin was the
source language "Arctic Forest" which I would find hard to believe and
_nothing_ when setting Google translate to Spanish as source.
he sirens".
>
> Dmitry
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of
>
> Jurgen Frenz
>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 4:36 PM
>
> To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>
> Subject: [LU
Sarge Gerbode has a cleaned-up version of the facsimile on his site, you may
compare it with what you have access to
http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/cambridge_university_library/MS_Add_3056_cosens_lute_book/
Jurgen
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yn-hodgson/Paraphrase%20on%20Wolf%20Dm%20lute.pdf
>
> MH
>
> \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_
>
> From: Jurgen Frenz eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com
>
> To: Tristan von Neumann tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
>
> Cc: lutelist Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>
> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2018, 8:23
>
>
I just tried the app amd I think it is excellent, especially the addded noise
reduction.
As for the long list of instruments, once you have found the instrument of your
choice you can click that tiny star and the instrument is added to your own
favorite instruments list - no more scrolling
Hi there,
I often read when players comment on their new instrument that they are
very happy with it after demanding a few adjustments. I'm totally
ignorant as to what changes one could possibly request - the instrument
is done, so what can the luthier still do?
I'd be glad to
there have been a number of very controversial discussions about these lutes
made in China on the British lute Society's Facebook page. I rented one for 2
months recently but I refrain from reporting my opinion here publicly because I
only had one single instrument and I assume that others
a big thank you for this lovely piece. I play it on my 6c lute and I love it's
purity.
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On Sunday, March 31, 2019 8:45 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>
ogûÙýZçWvu÷}½ñÏZ{w6ó_Ù°¨×§µ<©z×±·úej)Ü
ªìz
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. Listen.”
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On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:50 PM, Rainer wrote:
> On 27.03.2019 10:29, Jurgen Frenz wrote:
>
> > ogûÙýZçWvu÷›}½ñÏZ{w6óŽ_Ù°¨ž×§µ<©z×±·úej)Ü…ªìz
>
> Ugga, Agga
>
> Rainer
>
> To get on or o
e was no real
> > difference between "i" and "j".
> > Dowland uses p somewhere, Piccinini goes much higher (20th fret) and
> > ages ago somebody found a piece that went even higher (I think it was
> > 26) in an 18th century tablature
Hello there,
my apologies, I forgot that the list bot doesn't handle images so a
message I sent earlier was unreadable. So here I go again, with the
relevant image of the tabulature linked to google drive.
I didn't find an answer online or on the British Lute Society's FB page
zzled. If "q" exists then "t" is C# assuming tuning in G
and that note wouldn't make any sense in an F major piece.
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On Saturday, March
nly one that is not used. In those days there was no real
> difference between "i" and "j".
>
> Dowland uses p somewhere, Piccinini goes much higher (20th fret) and ages ago
> somebody found a piece that went even higher (I think it was 26) in an 18th
> century
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky
> > Jurgen,
> > It's been a while and I was quoting from memory... but I am sure I saw
> > it somewhere - perhaps the instructions translated in English in the
> > Varietie of Lute Lessons?
>
ogõåí7u·ýoM¹oVÚãmºßÞ_×®µ×p¨×§µ<©z×±·úej)Ü
ªìz
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does this miracle happen?
>
> Thanks for a hint,
> Jurgen
>
> you can email Jurgen at eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com
> mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com and you can read about my tab
> program at https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/AboutTab.html
>
> Wayne
>
It would be totally excellent if you'd find out where Besard made that
suggestion.
Thanks,
jurgen
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On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:40 AM, Alain Veylit
ts, and it also supports playback using TAB's midi
> output facility. I will make an announcement on the list in the coming days.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> - Luke
>
> On 05-Mar-2019 07:09, Jurgen Frenz wrote:
>
>
> > Oops - I REALLY was ignorant a
eylit
>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. MÃ ¤rz 2019 04:32
>
> > Antwort an: [8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>
> > Cc: Lute net
>
> > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending th
It's the first time I see your website - thank you! Loads of interesting music
there...
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On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 6:56 AM, Roman Turovsky
as beautiful as impressive. thank you.
Jurgen
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On Sunday, April 14, 2019 10:17 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> For those of my friends who couldn't
Julian Bream was a vital part (I believe) of the lute revival 50 years ago by
making the music public. On the downside of it he played guitar technique on it
to the point of using singe strings on both the high G and D courses - it
allowed him to play apoyando on the lute which is a big no-no.
- after a bump or any other unwanted background noise record all over again.
Cutting out frequencies afterwards always cuts into the sound of the instrument
(low G string = 98 Hz).
- take distance from walls - they reflect the sound and add delayed frequencies
which works as a filter and
this confirms that there is large fascination for our beloved instrument in the
large public
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On Saturday, May 11, 2019 9:18 PM, Daniel Shoskes
wrote:
Hello there,
Aquila has new (I don't know how new) synthetic fret gut available on
their website.
[1]http://aquilacorde.com/old/early-music-strings/early-music-products/
135/frets-gut-tailpieces/?lang=en
The cost is almost half price from real fret gut and I wonder if
I found Tascam recorders to sound better than "the others" - the zoom devices
have powerful marketing.
Forget about USB mics, they are crap and I'm polite. If you want to record
straight into your com running Linux you exponentially add problem sources, I
strongly encourage you not to.
Good
There is a "modern" edition on the Fronimo user group archive, I guess it is
accessible to Fronimo users only. It was made in 1999, the "readme" doesn't
identify the author. My guess is Göran Krona or Jason Curtis.
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I don't know if someone posted it here since last week but here is the pdf of
Noctes Musicae. Sorry for wasting bandwidth if I repost it.
Best regards
Jurgen
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On the Polish Jagelonski library is an online version of the Psalms in very
high quality - however it's in the pesky djvu format:
https://jbc.bj.uj.edu.pl/publication/302828
Best
Jurgen
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“Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there.”
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Hi there,
in addition to the ongoing very interesting discussion on RH technique
I have a practical problem / question.
When playing thumb-out and alternate m-i stroke I find it next to
impossible reach with the fingers downwards beyond the a string without
touching with the
? What are the
> right-hand bridge spacings? Can you put a photo or video of the offending
> pinky online (or send privately if you are not seeking international
> celebrity)?
>
> Best,
>
> Matthew
>
> Le 3 août 2019 à 07:52, Jurgen Frenz eye-and-ear-cont...@pro
thank you very much for the post and listen to "grain de la voix", there are
several recordings on YouTube.
Jurgen
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On Saturday, August 24, 2019 7:46 PM,
Hi Sarge,
this is a very generous offer by you - thanks a lot!
I personally only have a few faksimiles on my hard disk, all items that float
around on the internet (I can mail you copies if you want them). The following
are in German Tabulature:
Dohna Book (2 Weissel Books: Tabulatura
I don't understand the argument against using a tuner - the rather inexpensive
Android + iOS app "Cleartune" has a number of different temperaments including
1/4, 1/6 comma meantone pre-defined - just set the base note and watch the
readings.
Good luck anyway :-)
when I'm making a selection I keep it small, not more than 50 pieces. Vital to
me is an index to easier locate pieces. If you have a good pdf editor you can
simply add a page number to an existing document and resave it.
I have a collection by lute type like 6c or 8c. Other collections that I
peraments.
>
> Best
>
> Jo
>
> Originalnachricht
> Von: Jurgen Frenz
> Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 05:40
> An: Daniel Shoskes
> Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Cc: Lute List; Tristan von Neumann
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments
>
> fr
from what I read the fret calculators on the net are based on historic
instruments - hence a distinct Gerle and Dowland tuning because they are taken
from the fret marks on the neck of different instruments.
@ Daniel Shoskes, I wonder with 1/6th comma tuning what is the reference pitch
as a
to my opinion it would be great if someone anyone would record an identical
piece of renaissance music twice: once in equal temperament and once in a
different tuning so that everybody can appreciate the difference.
Of course, one thing that nobody mentioned in this discussion is our
If I understand it well the tiorbini is tuned one octave higher than a standard
theorbo - hence you can play anything for theorbo, if you don't mind historic
accuracy but just pure fun.
Jurgen
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Hello there,
I have an 8c lute now since 10 months and from the beginning I'm
"unhappy" with the sound of the unison C strings on it. I changed the
plain Aquila strings to round-wound Aquilas but to me it sounds quite
the same. What I'm missing is the high frequencies that we have
Hello there,
I have the impression that Courantes have the tendency to be
technically much less challenging than other compositions of their time
- most striking it appears in Kapsberger's first book (1611). What
seems to be the reason? Was a Courante a piece of teaching material?
at least consider using gut for octaves.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:19 AM Jurgen Frenz
<[1]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote:
Hello there,
I have an 8c lute now since 10 months and from the beginning I'm
"unhappy" with the sound of the unison C stri
h the
> octave ringing out quite plainly. I adjusted the bridge knot, what
> little I could, and the sound improved somewhat. Perhaps further work
> with RH technique will further improve the sound. Or--any other
> suggestions??
> Regards to all, and Happy (US) Thanksgiving!
> Leonard
which update for Cleartune? There hasn't been an update in years from what I
know. I find nothing to complain about it
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On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 7:25 PM, Anthony Hart
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> Pitchlab pro doesn't appear
David if you don't mind, which particular stick-on mic is it that you're fond
of?
Thanks
Jurgen
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On Friday, February
Here is the collection of names for Señor Luys from the online Petrucci
library, for what it's worth:
＝
Alternative Names/Transliterations: Millán, Luys Milan, Luis de Milán, Lluís
del Milà
＝
Name in Other Languages: Luis de Milán, ルイス・デ・ミラン, Lluís del Milà, Милан, Луис
де, لويس دي ميلان
＝
what about asking him?
Some fool (for our free of charge pleasure) uploaded a CD of Molinaro pieces
played by Paul Beier (do you happen to know him?). Mea culpa I downloaded it -
but I believe I can hear how he was struggling with the playing technique.
Best
Jürgen
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O'Dette... you should try google sometime :-)
https://www.amazon.com/Fantasie-Canzoni-Balli-Simone-Molinaro/dp/B5OB21
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:-) how did you find this...
Thanks
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On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 2:29 AM, Tristan von Neumann
wrote:
> ..for these distracted times.
>
> (Thomas Tomkins)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z2BEKuWANA
>
> To get on or off this list see list
from what I know there is no distinct font format for Windows. The fonts are
for download in the file section of the Fronimo group, you can even you them in
your text processor if you wish.
As explained elsewhere also by me the use of Fronimo on a Mac is without big
problems. There are a few
I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two
slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly
process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann
cost 15 000 € a pop.
Jürgne
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most unfortunately this forum's service provided doesn't allow photo
attachments. Can you upload the example elsewhere and post the link to it here?
That would be great.
Thanks
Jurgen
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On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:25 PM, Guilherme Barroso
wrote:
>
Hello there,
once again I'm looking at a document "GAC - various early italian
diversi autiori" not knowing what it is. Does anybody know if it is a
manuscript and if so what is the name of it? The individual pieces are
numbered by folio. Some of the pieces there are identified by
2020 at 1:21 PM Jurgen Frenz
> <[1]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello there,
> once again I'm looking at a document "GAC - various early italian
> diversi autiori" not knowing what it is. Does anybody know if it
> is a
> manuscript and i
if it is for easy pieces to play or re-work basic technique I found Lynda Says
quarterly advice quite useful and the higher numbers are not so easy either:
https://www.lutesociety.org/pages/beginners
Further there's a list of tentative "grades" of difficulty of lute pieces, not
everybody feels
ion under both. It can certainly be done
> correctly, but needs considerable forethought, especially when a group has an
> international membership base.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Banks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
> lute-...@
As much as I share the privacy concerns with google I wonder if that is of a
major concern for our discussion about lute music. Fronimo uses google groups
and it never occurred to me that google hijacked posts for advertisement
purposes. Follow and log users, yes, but then again...
‐‐‐
I strongly believe that there is a tremendous potential for lute music in tiny
locations - there is a concept of "living room concerts" for instance,
expecting a small crowd. Also, lute music on the map of the music business is
located in the alternative field, there are venues by all kinds of
It is my impression that there are quite a few outstanding young players who
will continue the tradition of great lute playing. Names that immediately come
to mind are Lukas Henning and Bor Zuljan. We should ask the teachers at the
Schola in Basels what they think of young players. - Further,
I find the strap discussion quite interesting especially what Leonhard Williams
just said - it reminds me (and everybody who likes to think about his/her
playing) that the simple position we sit down and hold the instrument has quite
an impact on our playing. As often, there is no "rule" except
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