sentences start with But.
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before and after the event
as well, possibly in french tab?
I think Virdung uses a chord that requires two different notes to be played on
the same course. This IS possible in German tablature :)
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de Mornable.
It's No. 9, f. 5v in
PREMIER LIVRE CONTENANT xxvj./ Cha[n]so[n]s nouuelles en musique à quatre
parties en deux/ VOLVMES...
published by Attaignant on 24.Jul.1553 (probably at 11:am :))
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The date IS correct :)
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I lye,
Whilst the proud slaue daunc'd galliards in her eye.
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Another facsimile - thanks to Joachim :)
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http://www.historischesarchivkoeln.de/documents/org/1006842.pdf
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Dear lute netters,
has anybody heard from Arthur recently?
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Dear lute netters,
a long time ago somebody asked about music/composers at the court of Christian
IV of Denmark.
Was it Mark?
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Dear lute netters,
to my great surprise Daniel Bachelar is ,mentioned in a German book printed in
1690:
Historische Beschreibung der Edelen Sing- und Klingkunst ... by Wofgang
CasparPrintz.
IF anybody would like to know details...
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knew Mersenne's book.
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Search for lute, tabulatur, lautenbuch, vihuela,
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/
On the pages you'll visit you may find more.
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Special greetings to Arthur :)
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Shudder - a few pages only :(
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http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00072006-1
http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00077418-2
http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00077419-3
http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00077420-5
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http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00075195/image_1
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00075196/image_1
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Vallet:
http://hdl.handle.net/1802/27720
http://hdl.handle.net/1802/27722
http://hdl.handle.net/1802/27723
Schlick:
http://hdl.handle.net/1802/4943
From Karlsruhe Library:
Kargel 1586 http://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/id/1176881
Ochsenkuhn
Gerle 1532
digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms/werkansicht/?PPN=PPN618952624
4230
http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms/werkansicht/?PPN=PPN745197221PHYSID=PHYS_0001
Click on Werkzeugkasten
The web pages are a nightmare...
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??
Verstehe kein Wort...
Rainer
On 25.01.2014 15:53, Andreas Schlegel wrote:
Thanks, Rainer!
The first link is D-B 40588 - see:
http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Quellen_CH/Quellen_CH.html
The second link has no connection to the images... but normally it works.
All the best,
Andreas
As I said - the web pages are a nightmare.
Once again: Click on Werkzeugkasten and you will see a pdf icon...
Rainer
On 25.01.2014 17:26, Daniel F. Heiman wrote:
The pages load, including all the appropriate buttons, which appear to
function, but there are no facsimile images displayed
On 25.01.2014 23:49, Andreas Schlegel wrote:
Have a look on Gerle PDF page 128: 7-course lute.
http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms/werkansicht/?PPN=PPN772414130PHYSID=PHYS_0007
Andreas
I know - many years before Bakfark!
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Schiffelholz, not schiffle :)
Rainer
On 08.09.2014 15:32, Braig, Eugene wrote:
Note this video of Schiffleholz mandora music shared at the lute Ning site:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM3sx9P0Gmk
This is all but one movement exactly of what I know as Brescianello's sixth
partita
Why not dances?
They will certainty love Newsidler's Wascha Mesa :)
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On 08.12.2014 15:12, Omer Katzir wrote:
Hello fellow music lovers around the world,
After a vey successful guitar concert featuring piece from the golden
age I was asked for another concert, this time with my lute
als die kleinen / so da neben sind.
The bombard or coarse strings have to be tuned an octave lower than the thin
ones next to them.
I am not sure if this refers to all 3 bass courses, though.
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I recommend to have a look at Dd.5.78.3, f. 11v
Now - in colour - it is possible to see what I called divisions in footnote
form.
Unfortunately the red ink is difficult to recognize on the photo.
In 2000(?) I had the original in my hands - thank to Ian for arranging this -
and the red ink
of) :(
Rainer
On 28.03.2015 19:11, Ron Andrico wrote:
We have posted our late Saturday quotes, this week on Ile fantazies de
Joskin.
[1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-18G
Ron Donna
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References
1. http://wp.me/p15OyV-18G
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A misunderstanding:
On 28.03.2015 23:22, Ron Andrico wrote:
Thanks, Rainer, for reminding us that not all governments behave like the US,
and Europeans actually take the ECB seriously.
Nobody does. The German Bundesbank was independent and never cared what the
German government said -never
Has any lute-netter in Germany or Switzerland seen Written by Mrs. Bach on
3SAT yesterday evening?
A certain Martins Jarvis claims that Anna Magdalena composed some of Bach's
finest works. Very funny...
Here is a list of his most convincing arguments:
1.
2.
3.
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Some years
Chris I can't send an email to you.
AOL doesn't like me or whatever. I didn't even know AOL still exists :)
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On 12.04.2015 14:26, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
Deazr Rainer,
I have exchanged mails quite recently with Chris on this email address :
lute...@aol.com which works perfectly !
Maybe there is a missing or extra letter or an extra space in the address that
you used ???
Certainly not.
I get
I have tried with a different account (mine, not his) and now it seems to work.
Apparently AOL seems to believe that I or all users at t-online are spammers.
These are real professionals, As I already said, I am surprised AOL still
exists ;)
Rainer
On 12.04.2015 14:17, Rainer wrote:
Chris I
On 13.04.2015 07:36, gary wrote:
Some servers block emails from servers they (the servers) judge have too many
pop ups and spam without the clients knowledge. The client needs to access their
settings to allow blocked emails.
I know.
However, t-online never attaches anything like that,
Rainer
A musicologist F.W.S. who wrote in 1969 should be Frederick William Sternfeld,
right?
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I have no idea who Gordon Matthew Thomas Sumner is.
However: Probably almost no lute players nor mathematicians know that the great
mathematician Serge Lang was a lute player and was a friend of Julian Bream.
Unfortunately his Books (about mathematics) are quite difficult to read :(
Rainer
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52506298g
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On 24.03.2016 18:39, Brad Walton wrote:
I believe that the word "science" has wider connotations in French than in
English.
As - unfortunately - in German.
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Dear lute netters,
according to the LSA web site the
LSA Quarterly 1999, Fall (vol. 34 no. 3)
is "Not Yet Available"
Since I don't have a paper copy either I wonder if it ever existed.
Does anybody know?
Rainer adS
PS Same for
LSA Quarterly 2001 - Volume 36, Fall (vol
Dear lute netters,
does anybody know why the LSA Quarterly 1994/3
is not available on the LSA web site?
Best wishes,
Rainer
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There it is:
http://luna.folger.edu/luna/servlet/view/search/who/Dowland,%20M.%20L.,%20former%20owner.?q=lute+music=0
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This looks very nice - I cannot read it :)
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9010048d
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http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00083380/image_1 (BSB with pdf download)
http://www.rudolphina.pl/zbiory-utworow/delitiae-musicae-sive-cantiones
http://www.bibliotekacyfrowa.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=41720=publication
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Form Fletcher's "The Bloody Brother, The Tragedy of Rollo"
..
Arion on a Dolphin playing Lachrimae,
And brave King Herring with his oyl and onion
..
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/ The Erle of Oxforde[s] Marche / [index:] E of Oxf.
March.
http://www.gerbode.net/sources/cambridge_university_library/Dd.3.18/032_earl_of_oxfords_march_consort_anon/
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German tab with more than 6 courses is impossible, right?
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Erm, I assume most members of the Fronimo mailing list are members of this list.
Question:
Instead of time signatures get empty boxes.
I assume this is a font problem.
Any idea anybody?
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Dear Francesco,
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Dear lute netters,
can any Fronimo user recommend fonts (freeware?) for German tab in Fronimo?
I think two or three fonts would be nice:
* Kurrentschrift
* Schwabacher
* Fraktur (whatever that means)
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Rainer
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is on-line:
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Nothing new...
Rainer
On 22.01.2017 19:43, Matthew Daillie wrote:
You can read Diana Poulton's argumentation on page 172 of her book on Dowland.
https://books.google.fr/books?id=gM4ikvRR4Z0C=PA172=PA172=dowland+Aloe=bl=-vut7Vvh87=nEJtzPUKm2eGhvsxwdhOOJ9_wY4=en=X=0ahUKEwi
vidence"?
Best wishes,
Rainer adS
PS
The "concordances" Ward mentioned in his famous article were simply wrong as
well.
As far as I remember, it took him 3 later articles to admit this :)
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it should start on the 3rd chord which has no hold line.
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This ornament has to be played with the fifth finger:
Vallet 1615, CNRS No. 65, page 161
or
original source page 75
Bar 3.
Good luck :)
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Hello Ron and Matthew,
I haven't mentioned before:
I always played the "e" on the 5th course instead of the "c" and then I noticed that it
is a "c".
I am talking about my copy and the cnrs edition. The facsimile is too small for
me. I only use it for proof readi
Here you go - or read :)
http://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1112=ppr
Rainer
On 20.02.2017 21:30, Matthew Daillie wrote:
By the way I noticed something very strange: Sometimes Vallet uses hold lines/slurs on an
empty string. It might be worth checking
Should be in the supplement to the newsletter December 1997.
Unfortunately I can't find it. Perhaps on separate pages which I have lost?
Rainer
On 22.02.2017 12:58, Matthew Daillie wrote:
On 22/02/2017 12:08, Ron Andrico wrote:
Sterling:
The piece is available in tablature from
hams razor: this is an error.
Rainer
With large hands it can be played on a 59cm lute - if you use the 2nd finger
instead of the 3rd.
On 21.02.2017 18:10, Martin Shepherd wrote:
Dear Rainer,
Bar 7 is unplayable on a lute of any size if you try to hold all the notes. In
fact I think it's like
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On 21.02.2017 16:28, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote:
Dear Rainer,
agreed, when we take the pinky for the fifth finger, but where's the problem
(unless one trie to play this on a 67 cm scale)?
The d on the
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Dear Rainer,
agreed, when we take the pinky for the fifth finger, but where's the problem
(unless one trie to play this on a 67 cm scale)?
Addendum: Bar 7 IS unplayable on a 67cm lute - at least for my hands.
Why doesn't he use the 7th
On 10.02.2017 19:06, Ron Andrico wrote:
Hello Göran:
From every indication, Jacques was a murderer..
as Jonson (sort of), Gesualdo and Caravaggio :)
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Dear lute netters,
can anybody recommend pieces by Ennemond Gautier in viel ton (with sources)?
I have John Robinson's list, but it is very old and, of course, doesn't tell us
anything about the quality of the music.
Rainer adS
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of course, I have a 10c lute.
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is it possible to insert page breaks in Fronimo?
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I have downloaded their Collins "edition" and it seems to be worth the
ridiculous 2,78 EUR.
First I wondered if it really is a good idea to open epub files with more than
13000 pages.
No performance problems although book readers are slow. Of course, searching is
very slow :)
hilli", and in the case of that particular piece,
the rest of the operative word was deleted by indifferent binders'
shears. As for the abbreviation, "Alo", it could just as likely be an
abbreviation for "Alonso" as for the name of a ship, although perhaps
less
|
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|_c__|
|_ __|
||
suggests an e instead of the c.
However, divisions in early Baroque Courantes do not always stick to the
original strain.
Then I noticed that the left hand fingering for the c is a "3" - which is
nonsense but makes perfect sense for an
something slightly off topic...
Perhaps English lute netters can help.
I have recently read a few novels by Collins:
The Moonstone
The woman in White
Armadale
Can anybody recommend other novels by Collins?
Best wishes,
Rainer
PS
there is a complete (shudder
to assume that unusual sounds may have a high probability of being
typographical errors.
This is certainly his famous
Fantasía que contrahaze el arpa en la manera de Ludovico
and he wants to say that the false relations sound fine if played fast enough.
There are no "wrong" note
On 15.01.2017 16:45, Ron Andrico wrote:
Rainer, it's simply a difference in the application of an accidental, which
most likely is a copyist's error - or a copyist's insipid choice, if he or she
was unschooled in the proper horizontal tracking of parts. It's a grave
mistake to think of lute
Somebody has asked me to post a link to a file:
http://www.gerbode.net/sources/HNewsidler/1536_1/pdf/67_wascha_mesa+hupff_auff.pdf
Rainer
On 28.09.2016 21:58, Rainer wrote:
Dear lute netters,
I am currently studying some early lute music (I am Elizabethan) on my new 6c
lute
) The total number of bars is 36 which is not even a multiple of 8
2) bars 25-28 are an exact copy of bars 21-24 which in my eyes (ears) is plain
nonsense.
What do you think?
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Dear Martin,
very interesting, indeed.
I will study it very carefully.
Rainer
PS: Change p37 to P73 in two places.
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Sorry to bother again,
yesterday I sent a mail to fronimo_edi...@yahoogroups.com from my account
rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de.
This time it did not bounce back, but I can't see the mail, either.
Has anybody received my mail?
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Hello everybody,
I wonder why the ground to The Marygolde Ellis Lawrey, Dd.2.18, f. 23r is copied
for a 5c instrument (5 lines only).
It is NOT for a 5c bandora which existed in those days.
Any idea, anybody?
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PS: The treble is written on staves wit 5 lines, too, but uses the 6th
Hello everybody,
I joined the Yahoo Fronimo group ages ago but when I send an e-mail to
fronimo_edi...@yahoogroups.com
it bounces back.
Can somebody please tell me what to do?
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On 08.11.2016 20:53, Matthew Daillie wrote:
On 08/11/2016 20:33, Rainer wrote:
Hello everybody,
I wonder why the ground to The Marygolde Ellis Lawrey, Dd.2.18, f. 23r is
copied for a 5c instrument (5 lines only).
It is NOT for a 5c bandora which existed in those days.
Any idea, anybody
Dear Monica,
What exactly do you want to do?
If you are looking for old mails with a specific topic/content try
https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/maillist.html
Rainer
On 18.10.2016 10:09, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
Dear Rainer
I use Windows 10 unfortunately and get my
And don't miss the corrections in
JLSA 12 (1979), pp. 99 – 100
by a certain Paul O'Dette :)
See also Paul Beier's article in the same volume.
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On 12.11.2016 10:46, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote:
Dear Stephen,
JLSA 11 (1978), pp. 5 – 25.
Joachim Lüdtke
-Original
Dear Monica,
which operating system and which mail program do you use?
Rainer
On 17.10.2016 14:32, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
I have been trying to consult some of the archive files but can't get
them to open. I downloaded what I think is the right app for this and
the files appear
PS
.gz is gnu zipped.
Any decent freeware packer/unpacker should handle them.
Rainer
On 17.10.2016 14:32, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> I have been trying to consult some of the archive files but can't get
> them to open. I downloaded what I think is the right app for this and
>
|_a___d__||
1) It sounds awfully wrong
2) Dowland did not write such harmonies - Cutting did :)
3) compare bar 2
What do you think?
Rainer
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Dear lute netters,
I have downloaded cleartune for my cheapo tablet- No - I don't have a smart
phone.
I am using and always have used 1/6 comma meantone temperament.
Question: Should I set the Temperament Root to G?
This setting was not available on my old Korg OT-12
Best wishes,
Rainer
Eine Frage an Mitglieder der Deutschen Lautengesellschaft:
Im Lauten-Info 3/2016 ist zu lesen, das Jahrbuch 2015 sei fertig und liege dem
Lauten-Info bei, was nicht stimmt.
Hat jemand das Jahrbuch 2015 bekommen?
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o.
WILLEY PARK, Lord Welde-Forester private collection (GB-WPwelde-forester)
Ms. without shelf number [John Welde's Lute Book] inventory
RISM B VII, p. 361
Rainer
PS
See the LS Journal 1959 and the Introduction of the facsimile edition.
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The "Subplementum." [folii] on page 148
"Ballet, de Madame Socur[sic!] de Roy."
appears on the title page of the book - the whole piece.
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A clarification:
the piece on page 148 appears in the picture on the title page.
Rainer
On 19.03.2017 00:01, Rainer wrote:
The "Subplementum." [folii] on page 148
"Ballet, de Madame Socur[sic!] de Roy."
appears on the title page of the book - the whole piece.
Rainer
us pourrez voir en la Tableture , laquelle
signifie qu'il faut coucher le doigt.
Bonne nuit,
Rainer
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Dear lute netters,
I have checked the bar in question once again with a magnifying glass in the
colour facsimile.
The "c" on the 5th course is an "e". Nothing to be changed here :)
Rainer
On 17.02.2017 13:24, Rainer wrote:
Dear lute netters,
owners of Le Secret
advisable to cross-check manuscript sources.
best wishes,
Rainer
On 16.04.2017 17:49, Ron Andrico wrote:
Rainer, you always come up with interesting ideas, and I can hear the
"Woods so wild" theme stretching into the second phrase of the
section. But you seem to have
4 (four) months ago Markus wrote
Hallo Rainer,
keiner hat das Jahrbuch bekommen.
Es ist zwar fertig, aber es sollten noch Bilder ausgetauscht werden, die von
den Bibliotheken angefordert wurden. Ich hatte zwar das Jahrbuch bei den
Beilagen herausgenommen, aber den Text im Vorwort aus
This might be interesting
https://www.lib.utexas.edu/etd/d/2007/beckmang19812/beckmang19812.pdf
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las Vallet pour [le] tres docte Martin Dalem en 8 avril 1614."
I guess Schele could not read French :)
Rainer
PS: Nichts Neues unter der Sonne: That the two version differ is already
mentioned in Jan Burgers' book.
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Both volumes bound together:
http://digitale.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/vd16/content/titleinfo/1000473
Rainer
On 15.04.2017 23:37, guy_and_liz Smith wrote:
Does anyone know where I can get a facsimile of H. Neusidler’s Der
Ander Theil des Lautenbuchs. I’ve got Miles Dempster’s edited
mentioned by Peacham in Thalia's Banquet.
Rainer
Leonard
On 4/23/17, 8:48 AM, "Ron Andrico" <praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I.D B. of M. = John Dowland, Bachelor of Music
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
in the book by "I.D.B. of M.". It
is not the same as the setting I found. Ravenscroft also has Dowland's
100th, listed under "French tunes" (composer Bourgeois). (Ravenscroft
promotes Dowland to "Dott. of M.")
Heavens - this is a ligature of "c"
Good morning,
does anybody know what the compound time signature
C3
means?
Best wishes,
Rainer
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Dowland's psalm settings were published in
The Whole Booke of Psalmes (Thomas Este), 1. edition 1592, 2nd edition
1604
see http://www3.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/The_Whole_Booke_of_Psalmes_(Thomas_Este)
with a link to a facsimile of the 2nd edition.
Rainer
On 23.04.2017 02:25, Markus
Which one?
There are several Chis Passas in this source.
Rainer
On 24.02.2017 13:09, Jim Dunn wrote:
Hello all,
Does anybody know where I can get hold of tablature for the version of
Chi Passa in the Marsh Lute Book? My internet searches are drawing a
blank...
Thanks in advance
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