Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-29 Thread Tomi Ollila
On Sun 26 Sep 2010 12:37, Martin Grimme martin.gri...@gmail.com writes: Hi, in my experience the separate developer account doesn't work for all stuff out of the box. The developer account lacks membership in some Unix groups the regular user is member of. Not anymore :)

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-29 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:15, Tomi Ollila tomi.oll...@guru.guru-group.fi wrote: On Sun 26 Sep 2010 12:37, Martin Grimme martin.gri...@gmail.com writes: in my experience the separate developer account doesn't work for all stuff out of the box. The developer account lacks membership in some

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-27 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:58 AM, ronan.maclave...@nokia.com wrote: Earlier in the summer I tried with root using the password authentication scheme - it worked. If you use user then you do not need to use the key mechanism, the password does not change frequently like the developer password.

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-27 Thread Thomas Perl
2010/9/26 Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com: Being able to set a breakpoint and actually hitting that breakpoint on device without batting an eyelid is what IMO rocks most about the whole Nokia Qt SDK scheme. Oh yeah - I forgot about that. The whole debugging integration is pretty helpful,

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-27 Thread Christian Kandeler
On 09/27/2010 03:37 PM, ext Thomas Perl wrote: 2010/9/26 Ville M. Vainiovivai...@gmail.com: BTW, in new versions you can disable that packaging step (from build settings, by expanding the Create Package build step). This makes the deployment ~1 sec experience, which is pretty nice. Thanks for

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-27 Thread Christian Kandeler
On 09/26/2010 06:26 PM, ext Ville M. Vainio wrote: I just tried - Giving password to user - ssh in as user from terminal (success, answer yes to host id query though). - Test connection as user (success, qt versions listed) - Deploy key as user, test the key authentication scheme

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-26 Thread Thomas Waelti
In my very limited personal experience from my first few hours with Qt Creator yesterday, I can already tell you that it doesn't help in security at all: I was browsing the example projects and decided to take a look at the calendar example. Debugging it on the device caused it to replace the

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-26 Thread Martin Grimme
Hi, in my experience the separate developer account doesn't work for all stuff out of the box. The developer account lacks membership in some Unix groups the regular user is member of. Regards, Martin 2010/9/26, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com: In my very limited personal experience from my

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-26 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: In my very limited personal experience from my first few hours with Qt Creator yesterday, I can already tell you that it doesn't help in security at all: I was browsing the example projects and decided to take a look at

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-26 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Christian Kandeler christian.kande...@nokia.com wrote: That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored in the users home directory. I'm gradually starting to feel this is a bad idea, that leads to subtle problems when developers are

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-26 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com wrote: The current version of Qt SDK automatically creates and deploys a .deb on the device, so once the package has been deployed, if I want to test the app with the user account, I just run it from X Terminal

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-26 Thread ronan.maclaverty
Hi, Earlier in the summer I tried with root using the password authentication scheme - it worked. If you use user then you do not need to use the key mechanism, the password does not change frequently like the developer password. (I haven't tried the user account or the key scheme with any

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-23 Thread Tomi Ollila
Hi Original idea behind 'developer' account was to have separate filesystem space where to experiment things -- and to get feedback what works and what doesn't. First iterations even had different uid for developer but that did not work at all (x clients did not start, among other things ;/)

MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Ville M. Vainio
As many of you go, Nokia Qt SDK uses, through MADDE, a special 'developer' account (with it's own home directory) to do stuff on the device That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored in the users home directory. I'm gradually starting to feel this is a bad idea, that

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored in the users home directory. I'm gradually starting to feel this is a bad idea, that leads to subtle problems when developers are trying to pretend

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: As many of you go, Nokia Qt SDK uses, through MADDE, a special 'developer' account (with it's own home directory) to do stuff on the device That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored in

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: the less dangerous path. Some sort of clone/restore user data to developer account *could* be useful though. How hard will it be to copy stuff from /home/user to /home/developer and then re-copy it once MADDE test has

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.comwrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: the less dangerous path. Some sort of clone/restore user data to developer account *could* be useful though. How hard will it be to copy stuff

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: If there are no components that work with hardcoded usernames od uid/gids, that would roughly be it (for files, which are the most common problem IIUC). Services/daemons might get tricky but I suppose that is not a nearly

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: If there are no components that work with hardcoded usernames od uid/gids, that would roughly be it (for files, which are the most common

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: Considering all of this, I'm inclined to wish we had a  I know what I'm using, please run this app as 'user'| checkbox in Nokia Qt SDK. Hey, I'm always for options :) But the point is that a non-destructive way of playing

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: As many of you go, Nokia Qt SDK uses, through MADDE, a special 'developer' account (with it's own home directory) to do stuff on the device Indeed. That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Christian Kandeler
On 09/22/2010 01:52 PM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: How hard will it be to copy stuff from /home/user to /home/developer and then re-copy it once MADDE test has finished? My guess a mere shell command ? I'm already looking forward to the bug reports from users who complain that starting up a

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Christian Kandeler
On 09/22/2010 01:35 PM, ext Ville M. Vainio wrote: As many of you go, Nokia Qt SDK uses, through MADDE, a special 'developer' account (with it's own home directory) to do stuff on the device That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored in the users home directory. I'm

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Thomas Perl
2010/9/22 Christian Kandeler christian.kande...@nokia.com: From Qt Creator's side, nothing prevents you from just giving the user name user instead of developer in the Maemo device configuration. The only problem is then accessing that account; if I'm not much mistaken, login is disabled for

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Thomas Perl
2010/9/22 Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com: Considering all of this, I'm inclined to wish we had a  I know what I'm using, please run this app as 'user'| checkbox in Nokia Qt SDK. The current version of Qt SDK automatically creates and deploys a .deb on the device, so once the package has