Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-09-01 Thread Kimmo Hämäläinen
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 14:59 +0200, ext Nicola Mfb wrote: ... > > 'problematic' stuff is 3d and phone parts. 3d have kernel parts open but > > userspace is not, phone is hopefully open enough. Overall I guess it will be > > Again about that, are applications able to full use opengl > acceleration w

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-09-01 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, > Finally, it may be nice if Nokia may donate some devices to FSO and > OpenEmbedded core team, any interest/chance about that? We will start talking soon about the N900 device program. In the meantime, having members of these projects involved and with concrete ideas will help. Being active

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-09-01 Thread Jari Kirma
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Frantisek Dufka wrote: > Nicola Mfb wrote: >>> With N900 we don't know yet but hopefully the bootloader will be u-boot. >> >> That's nice, the best would be if we'll be able to update/replace >> u-boot, and have a way to debrick the device if something goes wrong. > > u-boot is

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-09-01 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Frantisek Dufka wrote: > Nicola Mfb wrote: >>> >>> With N900 we don't know yet but hopefully the bootloader will be u-boot. >> >> That's nice, the best would be if we'll be able to update/replace >> u-boot, and have a way to debrick the device if something goes wrong

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-09-01 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Nicola Mfb wrote: >> With N900 we don't know yet but hopefully the bootloader will be u-boot. > > That's nice, the best would be if we'll be able to update/replace > u-boot, and have a way to debrick the device if something goes wrong. u-boot is just my guess, any other choice does not look sane

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-09-01 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Nicola Mfb wrote: > I come from OpenMoko Freerunner experience, where I'm able to flash > the bootloader, the logo, the kernel, the rootfs and have multiple > boot option to run several linux distro on different sd partitions. > There are two bootloaders, the first in NOR readonly, the second in >

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-09-01 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Frantisek Dufka wrote: > Nicola Mfb wrote: [...] > Bootloader on N8x0 and 770 is closed. Kernel and rootfs can be replaced but > for best experience one needs to stay with Nokia released kernel versions > (2.6.18, 2.6.21). Other versions boot too but not everything i

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-09-01 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:54 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:52 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 18:27 -0400, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > > > I'm not sure how open the phone part is because they haven't come out > > > yet. I can tell you that the non-phone

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-09-01 Thread Ralph Angenendt
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:52 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: > On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 18:27 -0400, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > > I'm not sure how open the phone part is because they haven't come out > > yet. I can tell you that the non-phone predecessors are very open. There > > are two things that aren'

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-09-01 Thread Xavier Bestel
Hi, On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 18:27 -0400, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > I'm not sure how open the phone part is because they haven't come out > yet. I can tell you that the non-phone predecessors are very open. There > are two things that aren't open: the OpenGL video drivers and the wifi > drivers. A

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-08-31 Thread Sarah Newman
Nicola Mfb wrote: > Hi! > I'm new to this community and these nice Nokia devices, and I'd like > to join/contribute/develop for it and buy the upcoming N900. > Before proceeding further I'd like to know a bit about its "openess". > Already googled but there are not much and coherent informations ab

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-08-31 Thread Jason Edgecombe
Nicola Mfb wrote: > Hi! > I'm new to this community and these nice Nokia devices, and I'd like > to join/contribute/develop for it and buy the upcoming N900. > Before proceeding further I'd like to know a bit about its "openess". > Already googled but there are not much and coherent informations ab

Re: How much are Nxxx open?

2009-08-31 Thread Benoît HERVIER
"How much is it open?" Depends on screwdriver you use ... On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Nicola Mfb wrote: > Hi! > I'm new to this community and these nice Nokia devices, and I'd like > to join/contribute/develop for it and buy the upcoming N900. > Before proceeding further I'd like to know a b