Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with aliases
--On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 2:06 PM -0600 Gary Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to help someone set up a Mailman list. He has Debian, Mailman version: 2.0.13-2 and Postfix's version: 1.1.11-2. He looked over the web and the archives here and is stuck. The problem: After running newlist, I added the following to Postfix's alias table using postalias: icare: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post icare icare-admin: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner icare icare-request: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd icare icare-owner: icare-admin I checked in the MySQL alias table and the entries were added properly. I ran newaliases like the FAQs recommend, yet Postfix still complains when any of the above aliases are used: Dec 31 13:06:24 pavia postfix/smtpd[30397]: reject: RCPT from f40.pav1.hotmail.com[64.4.31.40]: 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: User unknown; from=[EMAIL PROTECTED] to=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 31 15:15:17 pavia postfix/smtpd[1493]: reject: RCPT from smtpout.ev1.net[207.44.129.133]: 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: User unknown; from=[EMAIL PROTECTED] to=[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm running Mailman 2.0.13 but using sendmail and can't help with Postfix. Any clues? To which I reply: I can't remember for sure if this is required, but did you restart Postfix after adding the aliases? -- Steve --- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to show name in the subscriber list mailman2.1.2 ?
--On Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:21 AM +0100 Rob Brandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I'm sure I misunderstood since I may not have gotten the original question that you answered. I was hoping for a subscriber's list function including names that could be browsed from the listinfo page. I've never really understood why it's not there in the first place; I've never seen the usefulness of showing a subscriber's list on listinfo containing only email addresses. To which I reply: Funny, when I go to the Membership Management pages for my lists (MM 2.1.2), the membership list show the names. Is it just that you want to see more at once, or what am I missing? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman v 2.0.13
--On Monday, August 25, 2003 7:00 AM -1000 Joseph Mina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to use the program mailman to manage my e-mail list. I'm using OS X, Jaguar. However, when I attempt to download the file via Safari I'm told the download manager can't download the file mailman-2.0.13.tgz I appreciate any feedback. I'm computer savvy from a user perspective, however, the programming realm is out of my bailiwick. Thanks for your help. To which I reply: As others have already suggested, you should get version 2.1.2. While you can do this with Safari, you're going to need to be able to use the command line to install Mailman, so I'd suggest doing this from a Terminal window, and using the 'curl' command. See 'man curl' for details on how the command works. You'll need to have the developer tools installed, and you'll need to make sendmail run -- Apple's installers have a nasty habit of making / group-writable, which sendmail objects to. You might also want to consider installing Postfix as an alternative to sendmail -- it's an easy build on OS X. Seee http://www.postfix.org You can do this, but it's not entirely trivial. If you aren't familiar with building and installing software on Unix, you've got a learning hump to get over. You'll need an administrative id to do the installations, too. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Please help...
--On Monday, September 15, 2003 4:47 PM -0700 Ricardo Kleemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, how do I port users from other lists into mailman? I have a number of existing mailing lists that I wanted to move over to mailman. Can I simply import a file containing member addresses? To which I reply: Yes. Read the documentation. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook
--On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:09 PM -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The link to file a bug report is here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103atid=100103 The above should be one line. I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on outlook and displaying addresses... File your report there. To which I reply: Why file a bug report on Mailman, when the bug is in Outhouse? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook
--On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:56 PM -0600 Linda Pahdoco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If only life were that easy. So I'm supposed to tell my client Just tell the hundreds of corporate people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook? We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one. To which I reply: Seems like you've got your answer. You don't like the way Mailman works with M$ Outhouse. The folks who maintain Mailman don't think it's broken, so aren't likely to fix it to work around Outhouse's perversions. If you must use Outhouse, then you probably can't use Mailman. End of story. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers
--On Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:56 AM +0100 Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the problem is that the Esoteric Settings plug-in is not installed by default. It is included with the package, however. For MacOS X users with Eudora 6, the following instructions should work: 1. If you have the Eudora icon in your dock, control-click on the icon and select Show in Finder. Otherwise, find the original application icon where Eudora was installed. 2. Control-click on the Eudora icon and select Show Package Contents. 3. In the folder that was opened, double-click on the Contents sub-folder to open it. 4. In the PlugIns Disabled sub-folder, you should find a plug-in called Esoteric Settings 6.0. You need to move this plug-in to the PlugIns folder. To which I reply: There's a slightly easier (and more Mac-like :-) way to do this. Follow step 1 to find the original application icon. Then: 2. Control-click on the Eudora icon and select Get Info. 3. In the Eudora Info window that opens, turn down the disclosure triangle next to Plug-ins: 4. Check the box next to Esoteric Settings 6.0. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive and attachment problem
--On Friday, February 20, 2004 2:09 PM +0100 Christian HAESSIG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a little question : does mailman (in the 2.0.13 version) support mails with attachment in the archive section ? When I send an email with attachment using the mail MUA on debian, people in the list get the mail without problem, but in the archive, the attachment appears directly in the mail body (in MIME or uuencoded format, it depends on the way I send the mail). Does anyone have information about this ? Thanks in advance ! To which I reply: You need to upgrade to Mailman 2.1 -- the included pipermail there properly (by my definition of properly, at least :-) sets the attachment aside, leaving a link in the archive. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Attachment header mangling
I put the mangling in quotes because I don't know whether it's considered legal or not... This is Mailman 2.1.4, by the way... Say I send a message to a list that I'm on, with a copy directly to myself. To that message, I attach a document with a really long name, like: Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d oc In the copy of the message that comes directly to me, the headers in the attachment look like this (line numbers inserted so you can tell where the line breaks really were): 1. Content-Type: application/msword; 2. name=Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d oc 3. Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 4. Content-Disposition: attachment; 5. filename=Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d oc; 6. size=19742 Note that the 'name=...' and 'filename=...' elements were each one long line. In the copy of the message that comes to me via the list, the corresponding headers in the attachment look something like: 1. Content-Type: application/msword; name=Response to Technical Issues 2. tab- ETC -2004-02-28-v3- LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.doc 3. Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 4. Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Response to Technical Issues 5. tab- ETC -2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle. doc; 6. tabsize=19742 I've slightly changed the place that the long lines were broken, in hopes that this message will make it through with its formatting mostly intact, but you get the idea. What Mailman seems to be doing is reflowing the header -- has moved the 'name=...' and 'filename=...' elements up onto the end of the previous line, then decided that the resulting line was too long and broken it in the middle of a string. This seems wrong to me (and to our director :-). But maybe it's legal, and it's the client's fault for not properly re-assembling the header? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Attachment header mangling
I put the mangling in quotes because I don't know whether it's considered legal or not... This is Mailman 2.1.4, by the way... Say I send a message to a list that I'm on, with a copy directly to myself. To that message, I attach a document with a really long name, like: Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d oc In the copy of the message that comes directly to me, the headers in the attachment look like this (line numbers inserted so you can tell where the line breaks really were): 1. Content-Type: application/msword; 2. name=Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d oc 3. Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 4. Content-Disposition: attachment; 5. filename=Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d oc; 6. size=19742 Note that the 'name=...' and 'filename=...' elements were each one long line. In the copy of the message that comes to me via the list, the corresponding headers in the attachment look something like: 1. Content-Type: application/msword; name=Response to Technical Issues 2. tab- ETC -2004-02-28-v3- LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.doc 3. Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 4. Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Response to Technical Issues 5. tab- ETC -2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle. doc; 6. tabsize=19742 I've slightly changed the place that the long lines were broken, in hopes that this message will make it through with its formatting mostly intact, but you get the idea. What Mailman seems to be doing is reflowing the header -- has moved the 'name=...' and 'filename=...' elements up onto the end of the previous line, then decided that the resulting line was too long and broken it in the middle of a string. This seems wrong to me (and to our director :-). But maybe it's legal, and it's the client's fault for not properly re-assembling the header? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Attachment header mangling
Ack! My apologies for the double posting about this -- I read too hurriedly a rejection notice that claimed I wasn't allowed to post to the list, and didn't notice that it was from some other machine. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] running qrunner by hand
--On Monday, March 29, 2004 5:57 PM -0500 Craig Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm trying to run qrunner by hand - this is the error produced: myserver.com% virtual ~/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/home/myserver/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 76, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, line 41, in ? from Defaults import * File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py, line 45 . ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax any ideas??? To which I reply: What does line 45 of your Defaults.py look like? Seems like the error message is giving you a clue... -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
--On Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:18 AM +0100 Paul Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well people click it, (thinking thats the way to create a new list), get an error, and then think it's not working, so call our helpdesk saying there's an error. Even though there's not. There's just no way to turn off this 'feature' if you don't use it. (except by going backwards to an older version of Mailman, or by using another MLM). To which I reply: Make that There's just no way to turn off this 'feature' that's acceptable to me. You've got the source -- change it however you like. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] DSL
--On Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:49 PM +0530 Somshekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wanted to setup mailman in DSL connection and i have a static IP. My postfix is working good. pl tell me how should i go about it thanks in advance To which I reply: Download the tarball. Un-tar it. Read the documentation. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Correct Terminology for Mailman
--On Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:55 PM -0400 Brendan Chard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are quick one or two word descriptors that folks are using to refer to their mailman lists? To which I reply: Mailing List. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Strange looping notification
We have a list that's acting up, and I'm hoping that the assembled wisdom can help me figure out what's going on. Mailman 2.1.4 running on Solaris. The Web server and the various Mailman qrunners run on one machine, the mail server is a different machine. The mailman directory is cross-mounted via NFS so that both machines can see it. (Now that I think about it, I can't remember why it's set up this way -- I didn't do the initial Mailman 2.0.x install, and just followed that pattern when upgrading to Mailman 2.1.4. Is there any reason that I should think about moving the qrunners to run on the mail server? Things *do* seem to be working...) Anyway, on the strange behavior... We have a list where all the members are moderated, so that all postings have to be approved before they are distributed. We recently started running BrightMail to filter out SPAM, and added a SPAM filter to the list's configuration, with an action of hold. What happens now is that a piece of mail comes in to the list, BrightMail flags it as SPAM, Mailman's SPAM filter matches and holds the message, mail is sent to the moderators notifying them of the held message, and then Mailman begins talking to itself. That is, there's an endless series of messages, sent from the listname-owner address *to* the listname-owner address, each attaching all the previous messages -- one of the notifications I got had 39 parts, where each part seemed to include all the previous notifications. On the Mailman admindb page for the list I'm having a difficult time: a) Figuring out why this is happening b) Even describing it rationally I've changed the action for the SPAM filter to discard, to see whether there's some confusion going on between the hold for moderation and the hold because it matched a SPAM filter. Any advice gratefully accepted... -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server
This was posted on MacInTouch today; it might help the person who was having trouble with Mailman on Mac OS X... A new Apple KB article http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107906 offers a workaround for a repair permissions problem with mailing lists on Mac OS X Server (apparently fixed in Mac OS X Server 10.3.4): Using the Repair Disk Permissions feature in Disk Utility can disable or impair mailing lists. Repair Disk Permissions changes the group permission from the mailman to wheel for many items at /usr/share/mailman. This stops mailman processes from running with the correct permissions and can interrupt lists' operation. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Disappearing SPAM filters
Mail to our mailman lists is pre-processed by Brightmail, which inserts a header of the form X-Spam-Flag: YES. If we, from the admin web interface, go to Privacy options-Spam filters, and add a Spam Filter Rule for that header pattern, with an action of delete, and save the changes, they appear to be correctly saved, but if we then return to that page some time later, the rule has mysteriously disappeared. Any idea why this would be happening? Mailman 2.1.4, running on Solaris, for what it's worth. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing SPAM filters
--On January 26, 2005 2:33:15 PM -0800 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is off the wall and probably has nothing to do with your problem, but there is no delete action for these rules. The actions are Defer, Hold, Reject, Discard and Accept. There is a Delete button which deletes the rule from the list. Could this be the problem? To which I reply: No, I just mis-spoke. Discard is, indeed, the desired action. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing SPAM filters
--On January 27, 2005 8:46:20 AM +0900 Tokio Kikuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This bug was fixed in 2.1.6(b2). From the NEWS: - Bugs and patches: 955381 (older Python compatibility), 1020102/1013079/ 1020013 (fix spam filter removed), 665569 (newer Postfix bounce detection), 970383 (moderator -1 admin requests pending), ... 1020102/1013079/1020013 were the entry numbers in SourceForge Bug/Patch trackers. Sorry for the inconvenience and please try upgrade to 2.1.6b2 from: http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6b2.tgz To which I reply: Because I'm a chicken, I just applied the patch to fix this, which Mark Sapiro kindly pointed me to: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1020102group_id=103atid=300103 As always, thanks to the group for the great support! -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] bug in Mailman when accessing Private Archives
--On February 16, 2005 6:32:57 PM -0500 John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: leading white space in python is significant To which I reply: As a completely off-topic question: What the heck were they thinking when the designers of Python chose amount of leading white space to indicate block structure? It seems absolutely guaranteed to cause problems such as this. (Feel free to respond off-list. I'm sincerely curious about this -- ever since I started looking at Python, this has bugged me.) -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error was emailed to user mailman
--On February 25, 2005 9:02:09 AM -0800 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only guess, but the underlying issue seems to be with OSX itself. Possibly you could get a clue from Apple support forums. To which I reply: Any chance that you ran Repair Permissions somewhere in there? And that that screwed things up? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch error
--On May 10, 2005 11:45:29 PM +0100 John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain what I need to do when I get this error - I don't want to have to re-run configure. To which I reply: Then your choice would appear to be the other option given in the error message: Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group mail What's so hard about re-running configure? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch error
--On May 11, 2005 9:34:29 AM +0100 John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which script are you referring to? The entire text of the error message is: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group mail, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group mailnull. Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group mail, or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailnull'. 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 So it's the mail wrapper script that I was referring to. I have had things working before, running configure with all the defaults and don't want to mess with anything if I can avoid it. If it was working before, you didn't see this error, and you haven't changed your mailman installation, then something else changed. Maybe that'll give you some clues as to what you have to fix. Also see the mailman FAQ at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Red Hat FHS packaging
--On June 15, 2005 6:20:00 PM +0100 Andy Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I differ from your view. I think you've made your position clear. John's made his position clear. How about if the two of you take the rest of this discussion offline? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - FQDN Question
--On July 22, 2005 4:46:07 AM +0900 Cogley, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My /etc/hosts has one line: 200.100.10.1 rcogley.myispsdomain.com rcogley localhost ... Which man says is [IP, fqdn, alias, alias] This still looks bogus to me -- localhost is more typically on a line by itself, tied to the loopback interface, for example: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost I have another domain I am hosting mail for on the machine, and postfix sends out from root@ from this domain. Also, I have another IP as well. Can I just add to this file so it looks like: 200.100.10.1 rcogley.myispsdomain.com rcogley localhost 200.100.10.1 www.domainofmine.net www Other than moving the localhost to a line by itself, I *think* this is ok. I'm not a DNS god, though, so others may well correct me. But I suspect that your ultimate problem is one that was suggested by someone else (Mark?) -- you've got a bad value set for DEFAULT_URL_HOST. Fixing that in mm_cfg.py will probably help. YMMV; I'm merely a dabbler in the mailman configuration business. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)
--On August 31, 2006 7:08:22 PM +0200 Bretton Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps a list of you /really/ should set these settings to X would be useful to people short on time :-) Of course you could just bundle the product that way in the first place but where's the fun in that? To which I reply: Could we maybe leave this poor dead horse to rest in peace? Apparently, many of the posters to this list believe (with some justification, imho) that it should take explicit action to undo safe defaults, rather than requiring explicit action to set safe values. You disagree. You've made that abundantly clear. Fine. We believe that you disagree. But based on my (rather more than I care to contemplate) years in this business, I think you're wrong. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Newsletter Setup
--On September 8, 2006 7:17:26 AM -0500 Larry Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need for a different mail client as Entourage will add headers. It's on the Options pane of the account edit window. Since that's not a Mailman issue, ask me off-line if you need more information. To which I reply: But be careful -- unless I'm misunderstanding, if you use that set of Entourage preferences for any other use, then all the mail you send will contain the list-approval password in the Approved header. Probably better to get mutt from http://www.mutt.org, build it, and use that to send your mail out. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with spam filter rules disappearing on a regular basis
--On December 7, 2006 9:09:13 AM +1300 Steven Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under spam filter rule 1 I have this, Subject: \*\*\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*\*\* which is set to discard. However every so often (days or some weeks) the rule disappears and I have to re-add it. This seems to happen to a number of lists To which I reply: I can't remember for sure when this patch made it into the mainline code, but it sure sounds like what you're seeing: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1020102group_id=103atid=300103 -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Upgrade problem
I just tried to upgrade our Mailman 2.1.4 install to Mailman 2.1.9. I didn't get very far -- as soon as I tried to visit the listinfo page, I got the sorry we've hit a bug message: --- Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. --- Unfortunately, nothing was written to Mailman's log(s), or to the web server's error log. bin/list_lists happily lists all the lists, so it doesn't look like I've got a bad list, at least superficially, so I'm somewhat at a loss as to what to do next. Is there a way I can un-inhibit printing of traceback and other system info? A little more information, in case it helps: In our current installation, the mailman directory lives on our mail host, and is NFS-mounted by our web server. Because we're getting ready to upgrade both mail host and web server, I made a copy of the mailman directory on a volume on our NAS, updated that, and then mounted that on the web server in place of the current directory. That also allowed me to drop back and punt when I hit the error. bin/check_perms only complained about some directories and files that the NAS creates, so I don't think it's a permission problem. All hints gratefully accepted... -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problem
--On March 4, 2007 11:08:30 AM -0800 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Burling wrote: Is there a way I can un-inhibit printing of traceback and other system info? Yes. Edit the scripts/driver file and change STEALTH_MODE = 1 to STEALTH_MODE = 0 To which I reply: Thanks, Mark. By the time I'd managed to get my message off, my testing window had closed, so I'll give this a shot at my next opportunity. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Which parts of mailman are platform-dependent?
Here's why I want to know: We're getting ready to jack up our environment and drag out two (tired, weak) machines running Solaris on SPARC, replacing them with two (strong, healthy) Red Hat boxes, runing on Intel hardware. Unfortunately, we're not going to swap them at the same time. Currently, one of those machines is our mail server, and the other is the web server. The web server is what provides Mailman access for administrative tasks and for archive access. That's the machine that will be replaced first. If all goes smoothly (yeah, right :-), we will, at the same time that we replace the web server, move mail server duties to that machine as well. If things don't go well, then mail may end up continuing to run on the Solaris box. From what I've been able to figure out, there are two parts of mailman that are platform-dependent: $MAILMAN_HOME/mail/mailman (the wrapper that mail is piped to) $MAILMAN_HOME/cgi-bin/* (which get used by the web server) Everything in $MAILMAN_HOME/bin is python and so should be platform-independent, right? If I'm correct, then if things go badly and we end up in the situation where our mail server is running Solaris on SPARC and our web server is running Linux on Intel, then assuming that the two machines share $MAILMAN_HOME, I just have to ensure that the wrapper is a SPARC executable, while the cgi-bin files are Intel executables. Or have I missed something? Anything else that will care? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Which parts of mailman are platform-dependent?
--On March 11, 2007 11:34:02 AM -0500 Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not really platform-dependant. Mailman itself is pure Python, so should run anywhere that Python does. These kinds of things are installation-dependant, and if you were to install Mailman in a different location on exactly the same platform, then these things would be different -- or at least in different places. Unless I'm missing something (which is entirely possible), it's not true that Mailman is pure Python. There is a bunch of C code in $MAILMAN_SRC/src, which gets compiled into platform-specific executable files. These end up as $MAILMAN_HOME/mail/mailman, and $MAILMAN_HOME/cgi-bin/whatever. And it's these that I'm concerned with. $MAILMAN_HOME/mail/mailman gets executed by the MTA, as a result of the pipes in the alias file. So they had better be compiled for the same architecture as the mailer. $MAILMAN_HOME/cgi-bin/* get executed by the web server, and so had better be compiled for the same architecture as the web server. If, as might happen for us, those architectures are different, then some extra precautions have to be taken. The standard locations for things in the typical Mailman world (i.e., as downloaded directly from our sources) are usually somewhat different from where things get put if you use a version that has been pre-packaged by someone else. And we, for historical (hysterical?) reasons, have yet another location. We also want to run later versions of mailman than Red Hat provides (and certainly a later versions than we have been running, so will definitely build from source. However, since these locations involve things in the code that can be buried pretty deep, if you want to move a Mailman installation from one platform to another, I would recommend that you completely re-install Mailman from the appropriate sources on the new box, then copy over just the configuration files and archives for the lists. We will certainly do this; my concern is that if we end up in the unenviable position of having to leave our mail server on the old hardware for awhile, whether there is anything *other* than $MAILMAN_HOME/mail/mailman that I have to make sure gets built for that platform. I apologize in advance if I'm being particular stupid about this, but the day is fast approaching when we cut over to the new web server hardware, and I'd rather think about this ahead of time than sit there that day, saying, Well, sh*t, that's not good... -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Server migration question
--On March 19, 2007 6:19:00 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably the new installation is a 2.1.x installation, not 2.0.x, so you can't just move the queue entries because they're not compatible (in 2.1 there is a single .pck file per msg as opposed to the 2.0 .db and .msg files). IIRC, the incoming message is plain text in the .msg file, so using bin/inject on the new system to inject these into the 'in' queue for the list, although tedious, may be easier than anything else. (with luck, the list is an addressee so you can get that from the .msg without having to get it from the metadata in the associated .db). To which I reply: It's interesting -- the old installation was a 2.1.4 install, so I don't know there are both a .db and a .msg file for each message. At any rate, when I looked just now, there were 150 pairs of .db and .msg files, and all but one had been flagged as SPAM, so I used bin/inject with the one .msg file, and sh*t-canned the rest of the files. Thanks for the confirmation that that was what I needed to do. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte
Almost a year ago, in
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-April/043992.html,
Mark Sapiro wrote (in response to a question about this error):
This error caused the message to be shunted (placed in the shunt
queue). You can run bin/unshunt to reprocess the message, but unless
you change the character set of the list language first, the error
will occur again and the message will be shunted again.
To change the character set to e.g. western european, you can put
add_language('en','English (USA)', 'iso-8859-1')
in mm_cfg.py and then do
bin/mailmanctl restart
followed by
bin/unshunt
Is there any downside to making this change? I notice that iso-8859-1 is
the standard charset for the majority of the languages listed in Defaults.py
(As you can probably guess, I'm seeing the above error...)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte
--On March 21, 2007 7:07:04 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, that response was to a specific occurrence of this exception in Decorate.py. If you are seeing this exception with a different traceback, changing the language character set won't eliminate the exception. A more common cause of the exception is non-encoded, non-ascii characters in the message Subject:, and that won't be fixed by this change. Note that such messages are almost always spam. To which I reply: Ok, I made the change, ran bin/unshunt, and the four messages in the shunt queue were re-shunted, so that's not it. Here's a characteristic traceback: Mar 21 10:35:47 2007 (6861) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc0 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) Mar 21 10:35:47 2007 (6861) Traceback (most recent call last): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 112, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 170, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py, line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 216, in ArchiveMail h.processUnixMailbox(f) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 580, in processUnixMailbox self.add_article(a) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 632, in add_article article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 664, in get_parent_info article.subject) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py, line 311, in getOldestArticle self.__openIndices(archive) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py, line 251, in __openIndices t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py, line 65, in __init__ self.load() File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py, line 179, in load self.__sort(dirty=1) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py, line 73, in __sort self.sorted.sort() UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc0 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) Mar 21 10:35:47 2007 (6861) SHUNTING: 1174487402.1760509+9438ae178cf24ca45b73094e18778ba97c71df17 From this, I'm guessing that something is wrong with a message in the list's .mbox file, which is confusing things. Is that a reasonable guess? If so, is there a reasonable way to figure out *what* message is causing the problem (it's a *big* mailbox)? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Managing lists as a non-root/Mailman user
--On April 17, 2007 6:54:05 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or a user in Mailman's group To which I reply: And this is the answer to the originally-posted question; I do all my Mailman management tasks as myself, by virtue of the fact that I'm in the mailman group. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Managing lists as a non-root/Mailman user
--On April 18, 2007 1:41:27 AM -0500 Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're talking about a remote server, there is no guarantee that the same numeric group id number would be used for the same group on different systems, so even though a given user would appear to be in the correct group, that might still not work. You'd have to ensure that the numeric group ids were identical on all possible places where these files might be accessed or modified -- otherwise you risk allowing others to access information that they shouldn't be able to see, and you risk legitimate access being inappropriately denied. This is not a given in NFS server environments. To which I reply: It's a given in well-managed NFS environments. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Managing lists as a non-root/Mailman user
--On April 18, 2007 9:55:48 PM -0500 Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the nearly twenty years I've been doing this sort of stuff, I don't think I've ever ran into a single NFS environment that I would call well-managed. Some were not as badly managed as others, but they all had major problems. To which I reply: That's to bad. In the nearly thirty years that I've been doing this sort of stuff, I've come across a few. I work in (and help manage) one now. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] data/pending.pck
Only because I'm anal-retentive... Now that our upgrade/migration of Mailman has settled down, I've noticed from my nightly 'mmdsr' run that data/pending.pck is just sitting there, unchanging. The last change date on the file is the date of our migration, so I have two questions: 1) What's it used for? 2) Can I safely delete this copy, assuming that it'll get re-created as necessary? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Apache Tomcat
--On May 4, 2007 10:42:03 AM -0500 Meenal Pant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a server running Liferay using apache tomcat. I access the portal as: https://abc.xyz.org/web/guest/home Can I still install mailman and use it with apache as described in the Mailman Documentation.(http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/front. html) ? Basically I want to access mailman webserver as : https://abc.xyz.org/mailman/listinfo Will this work or do I have to integrate mailman with Tomcat ? If yes, then how to do so? To which I reply: I don't think you can do this, at least not easily. It's possible to have Apache hand off stuff to Tomcat, but I don't know of a way to do the opposite. To do the former, we use Apache 2's mod_proxy_ajp to hand off certain chunks of the URI space to Tomcat via a ProxyPass declaration in the Apache config. You also have to configure Tomcat so that it doesn't listen on port 80, so that Apache can listen there. This takes a little fiddling around with to get working, but not much. Here's a chunk of our Tomcat-related part of the Apache config: -- cut here -- ## Set up mod_proxy_ajp for tomcat integration ProxyRequests Off Proxy * Order deny,allow Allow from all /Proxy Location /xxx ProxyPass ajp://localhost:8009/xxx /Location -- cut here -- You can have multiple Location /path blocks, but for your purposes, it might be sufficient to just pass off /web. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to configure a list for invitation-only subscriptions?
--On May 17, 2007 9:16:49 PM -0500 Carter Braxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This cuts off one avenue a random user could try to sign up, but there is still the subscribe command for the -request address, and of course there is the web interface. For the web interface, editing the html files that offer the subscription option should do the trick. (What file or files are involved?) Not sure if it is possible to selectively disable the subscribe command on the email interface, unless the source code is modified. To which I reply: If you set privacy options-subscribe_policy to either require approval or confirm and approve, then it doesn't matter if other subscription options are available -- unless you approve subscription requests I think that they'll just quietly time out. Is that not enough? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Low level smtp error: Server not connected
--On May 29, 2007 10:25:22 AM -0400 Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody else use Postfix 2.4? To which I reply: For what it's worth, my (extremely small, low-traffic) home Mailman install (2.1.9) uses Postfix 2.4.1 with no problems. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix2.5 Virtual Mailboxes
--On June 10, 2007 10:01:52 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Defaults.py says: MTA should name a module in Mailman/MTA which provides the MTA specific functionality for creating and removing lists. Some MTAs like Exim can be configured to automatically recognize new lists, in which case the MTA variable should be set to None. To which I reply: Given the number of times that this comes up as a point of confusion, maybe that comment should read: ...in which case the MTA variable should be set to None (not 'None'). -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Query about low-level SMTP errors
This is really an is my understanding correct question... Our mail server is getting the snot beat out of it by spambots, and even though I've turned on pretty aggressive connection rate control and limiting of the number of concurrent connections from any particular bot, we still occasionally hit sendmail's (configured) limit of 70 child processes, at which point we start refusing connections for awhile. During those times, mailman is also refused connections, resulting in errors like this from smtp-failure: Log file: smtp-failure == 23 delivery failed with code -1: (111, 'Connection refused') 1 Low level smtp error: (111, 'Connection refused'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Low level smtp error: (111, 'Connection refused'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I correct that Mailman doesn't consider these permanent errors, and will re-try these attempts later? Nothing seems to be left lying around in the queue files, so I'm hoping that subsequent retries succeeded, and not that Mailman just gave up and tossed things. (That doesn't seem likely to me, but I figured it was better to ask, so I know if I have to spend more time trying to figure out how to make sendmail only refuse connections on the non-localhost interface. Although if anyone knows the magic knob to do that, I would appreciate a hint.) -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned
--On November 1, 2007 8:59:53 PM -0500 Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. $ cat /etc/aliases ## mailman mailing list mailman: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman mailman-admin:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman snip $ sudo newaliases WARNING: local host name (montgoss-server) is not qualified; see cf/README: WHO AM I? /etc/mail/aliases: 21 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 1218 bytes total ^ Because apparently you've got your Mailman aliases in /etc/aliases, but sendmail is configured to look at /etc/mail/aliases. (The alias count is another hint.) -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Hint: mmdsr.sh and Mac OS X Leopard
Over the holiday, I took the opportunity to do a long-overdue hardware and
OS upgrade of my home Mailman server. I'd been running Mac OS X 10.3.9
(!), and moved to a slightly-less-antique box running Mac OS X 10.5.1.
Mostly, everything went smoothly, but there were a few minor gotchas. One
was with mmdsr.sh, and I thought I might save some others the headache of
figuring this out. I was getting errors from the 'sort' invocation in the
line that produces the Hourly Summary of Posts:
$SED -e 's/^[A-Z][a-z][a-z] *[0-9]* //' -e 's/:.*$//' $TMPLOG | $UNIQ -c |
$SORT -n +1 | $AWK '{ printf( %8d %02d:00-%02d:59\n, $1, $2, $2 ) }'
$TMP
It turns out that according to:
http://developer.apple.com/releasenotes/Darwin/RN-Unix03Conformance/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40004772-DontLinkElementID_5
'sort' no longer supports the form 'sort +POS1 -POS2', instead needint the
form 'sort -k POS1,POS2'. Of course, In that form POS1 and POS2 are
1-based rather than 0-based. So the 'sort' part of mmdsr.sh line above
becomes, instead,
$SORT -n -k 2
Hope this saves someone some head scratching...
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bots subscribing to lists via web forms to avoidmember-only restrictions
--On January 16, 2008 11:21:41 AM -0700 LuKreme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There really should be. To which I reply: It's open source. Start coding and submit a patch. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Efficient handling of cross-posting
--On January 29, 2008 11:09:21 AM -0500 Mikhail T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope, you'll give the idea of single instance storage another thought. There is already an option to archive in Maildir format. Optionally storing hardlinks instead of copies of cross-posts can't be too difficult... To which I reply: I love comments like this. If it can't be too difficult..., I suggest you put on your Python programming hat, and get coding. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] managing pending subscriptions and confirmations
--On February 3, 2008 6:42:54 PM -0600 Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/3/08, Jan Steinman wrote: One of my clients is considering using a paid service called Constant Contact (http://www.constantcontact.com) because they claim they can get through people's spam filters. Lots of companies have made claims like this. In my experience, their target market is other companies who want to get their paid spam through the spam filters of various recipients. So, unless you want to be lumped in with other spammers who are using a paid service to try to get their spam through someone's spam filters, I wouldn't recommend using them. To which I reply: For whatever it's worth, I can tell you that Constant Contact can't get through everyone's filters. My wife is on a mailing list that uses Constant Contact, and we recently had all sorts of problems getting that mail through UM's relatively aggressive bad mailer filters. The mail wasn't getting marked as spam, but the behavior of Constant Contact's mailer was causing red flags at our end that caused their mail to be blocked. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why am I being ignored???
--On May 24, 2008 9:10:25 AM -0400 Terrence Brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted this http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg49373.html and basically the whole list is having other discussions like I never even posted... To which I reply: So, let's see. You posted your original message at 5:37pm PST on the Friday before a holiday weekend, and at 6:10am the following morning, you complain that no one as helped you yet? Yeah, that makes sense. Don't want much for free, do you? -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] From status is coming incorrect from the msg circulated to mailing list
--On June 5, 2008 3:30:51 PM +0530 Vinita Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now the problem is: when members check their email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) they see that From is [EMAIL PROTECTED]; on behalf of; Vinita Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is incorrect. It should be From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please help me in identgying my mistake in configuring mailman or mailing lists settings. To which I reply: You haven't mis-configured the list; this is an Outlook problem. See: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/From+field+displayed+by+Microsoft+Outlook -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Disable word-wrap?
--On June 19, 2008 11:46:44 AM -0700 Jan Steinman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, I'd venture to guess that this email, which is sent to the list and to Mark and I on the Cc: will show up wrapped on the list, and not wrapped on the Cc's. To which I reply: For what it's worth, it didn't arrive line-wrapped at my end. The wider I made my mail window, the longer the lines got. Well, until I got it about 60% of my 2560-pixel wide screen, and then each of the four paragraphs in your text was on one line, so further widening made no more difference. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing
--On July 1, 2008 4:39:34 PM +1000 Doug Laidlaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my inquiry, one would think that an OS that wants to rule the world would be compatible with the most popular mailing list software. Oh, well... To which I reply: There is the source of your confusion. You are under the impression that Microsoft cares about how their software interacts with non-Microsoft products. They don't. You should just be using all Microsoft products, then everything would be good and right. Drink the Kool-Aid, Doug. -- Steve Burlingmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Error: Mach task special port 9
--On July 16, 2009 11:44:57 AM -0700 Bryan Harrison br...@bryanharrison.com wrote: Since implementing Mailman under OS X Server 10.5.7, I've been seeing… Jul 16 11:00:00 server-name com.apple.launchd[1] (0x1029d0.cron[1618]): Could not setup Mach task special port 9: (os/kern) no access in the syslog, every 5 minutes, forever. I've traced it down to Mailman's gate_news chron job. I gather this relates to polling news servers (which I'm not doing), but beyond that I'm at sea. Anybody? To which I reply: This is because Apple has deprecated cron, and really wants you to use launchd instead. You'll see one of those messages for *everything* that cron runs -- you're just seeing the common ones because they run so often. I've written a bunch of launchd.plist files for all the various Mailman cron jobs; if you want them, let me know. -- Steve Burlingmailto:s...@umich.edu University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Error: Mach task special port 9
--On July 16, 2009 4:57:24 PM -0400 Rob penng...@mac.com wrote: I would also appreciate your launchd.plists! It's a task I've been putting off doing myself... To which I reply: You can grab the tarball here: http://www.burling.org/files/mailman-launchd.tgz If anyone grabs these and makes any significant improvements, please share back! -- Steve Burlingmailto:s...@umich.edu University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Taking a stab at Mailman on Mac OS X
--On November 26, 2009 12:12:50 AM -0600 Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com wrote: Also, search the archives as I have posted detailed instructions on installing Mailman on Mac OS X. There is a version for Tiger (10.4) I posted on 7/17/05. To which I reply: Also see: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg54111.html http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg54113.html where I posted info about, and a link to my launchd scripts to replace the distributed cron actions (which, on Mac OS X systems, lead to mysterious error messages in syslog. -- Steve Burlingmailto:s...@umich.edu University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart
--On December 17, 2009 1:21:35 PM -0600 Paul Kleeberg p...@fpen.org wrote: I am ready to tear my hair out. Thanks to Mark, I got mailman up and running except for one minor hitch. In my log file I see an endless stream of: 12/17/09 11:56:49 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds12/17/09 11:57:00 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds Searching the archives, I found this (The thread starts at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg53952.html): The only difference between my org.list.mailmanctl.plist and Apple's is my verb *start*, as opposed to Apple's *startf*. I'm baffled by *startf*, which is not supported by mailman and does nothing, either in the CLI or in org.list.mailmanctl.plist. At one point, I compared the stock mailmanctl with that from the one Apple distributes with Mac OS X Server. The only difference was that the 'start' stanza in main() had been cloned as a 'startf' stanza, with a couple of relatively minor changes, primarily (if I remember correctly) to make it not daemonize, since things run from launchd aren't allowed to daemonize. I *think* that that's what's leading to the problem you see -- mailmanctl daemonizes, launchd cleans it up and it respawns, eventually triggering the error. For my Mailman install on Mac OS X (client, not server) I gave up on using launchd to start Mailman at boot time, and just used an old-style StartupItem. I did make launchd scripts for all the Mailman stuff that's normally run out of cron; see the archives of this list for information about those. In short, if you want to use launchd to start Mailman at boot time, I think that you're going to have to look at Apple's version of mailmanctl, and make equivalent changes to the stock mailmanctl to provide a 'startf' variant. If you do that, I urge you to try to do it in a cleaner way than Apple's hack -- my memory is that there were so few differences that it was a crime that they'd just duplicated the entire block of code and commented out parts. NOTE: I was doing this comparison between the mailmanctl from Mac OS X Server 10.5, not 10.6, so it's possible that they cleaned up their act and did things differently. But a quick side-by-side compare of their mailmanctl and the stock one should get you pointed in the right direction. -- Steve Burlingmailto:s...@umich.edu University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart
--On December 17, 2009 4:12:29 PM -0500 Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org wrote: Could someone submit a bug on this here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman I think it would be useful to support a no-daemonize option to the 'bin/mailman start' command in Mailman 3. To which I reply: Done. -- Steve Burlingmailto:s...@umich.edu University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing archives query.
--On January 9, 2010 11:46:05 AM +1100 John Fitzsimons jo...@net2000.com.au wrote: From looking at the FAQ it appears that one can only remove mailing list archives if one has shell access. Is that correct ? If it is then are there any plans for us CPanel users to be able to remove archives in a future Mailman release please ? To which I reply: You'll have to ask the CPanel folks about that. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question
--On January 10, 2010 8:54:08 PM -0500 Gayle Laible gaylelai...@fuse.net wrote: I want to start a newsletter and I see your logo at the bottom of several things I get. I have a Max OSX Version 10.5.8. It is an older laptop that I have updated several times. It does not have an Intel processor... Can I download and use Mailman on my Mac? To which I reply: Short answer: yes. Longer answer: if the laptop isn't powered on and on the network with a publicly-routable IP address 24x7, then it's, shall we say, sub-optimal. You'd be better off talking to the folks at http://www.emwd.com about hosting the list for you. -- Steve Burlingmailto:s...@umich.edu University of Michigan, ICPSRVoice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Anything to look out for in a 2.1.9 to 2.1.14-1 upgrade?
Short version:
Are there any gotchas in upgrading from 2.1.9 to 2.1.14-1 that I need to
look out for? I am, as usual in these cases, looking for the most expedient
way to fix a problem I've brought on myself.
Some more details...
We run the mailman processes on our mail server, a 64-bit Red Hat 5 machine
with python 2.4.3. We run the web interface on our web server, which until
yesterday was a 32-bit Red Hat 4 machine with python 2.3.4.
Yesterday, we replaced the web server hardware with a 64-bit Red Hat 6
machine, which has python 2.6.6, and the web interface stopped working.
Delivery to lists is working just fine. In the mailman error log, I see the
following:
Jan 16 09:53:30 2012 admin(13467):
admin(13467): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.9 -]
admin(13467): [- Traceback --]
admin(13467): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(13467): File /opt/mailman/scripts/driver, line 94, in run_main
admin(13467): pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(),
[scriptname])
admin(13467): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, line 27, in
module
admin(13467): from Mailman import MailList
admin(13467): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 51, in
module
admin(13467): from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
admin(13467): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py, line 17,
in module
admin(13467): from Archiver import *
admin(13467): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 32,
in module
admin(13467): from Mailman import Mailbox
admin(13467): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py, line 21, in module
admin(13467): import mailbox
admin(13467): File /usr/lib64/python2.6/mailbox.py, line 18, in module
admin(13467): import email.message
admin(13467): ImportError: No module named message
I'm trying to figure out if there's an easy way to fix this, that *won't*
break delivery to the lists. Any hints much appreciated.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Anything to look out for in a 2.1.9 to 2.1.14-1upgrade?
On 1/16/12 12:09 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: You can fix this by removing the email directory from /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib so that Mailman will use the Python 2.6 email package instead of Mailman's which is not compatible, but this won't fix all the Mailman 2.1.9/Python 2.6.x incompatibilities. Would doing this also break mail delivery, since the contents of /usr/lib64/python2.4/email (on the mail delivery machine) look very different than the contents of /usr/lib64/python2.6/email on the web server? At this point, the question is academic, though, see below. However, I have other questions. Is RedHat distributing Mailman 2.1.9 with Python 2.6.6? If so, this is bad, and see http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD. If not, perhaps there is a RedHat RPM you can use to upgrade. OTOH, from the paths I see in the traceback above (prefix = /opt/mailman), it seems your current Mailman may have been installed from source rather than a RedHat RPM. If this is the case, just configure Mailman 2.1.14-1 with the same options you used for 2.1.9, stop mailman, make install and start mailman and you should be OK. This is, indeed, an installation from source. I've been reading the list long enough that I've never actually used a Red Hat packaged version of mailman. Red Hat is delivering mailman 2.1.12-17 with Red Hat 6. What we think is the most straight-forward fix for this, with the least likelihood of breaking mail delivery, is to run a limited httpd on the mail delivery machine as http://lists.our.domain, and add a re-write rule to our main web server to redirect references to http://www.our.domain/mailman/ to http://lists.our.domain/mailman/ instead. Does that seem like a reasonable approach? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Custom Pages
On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Janice Boothe nursejan...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe because I am not fully aware of il8n but I fail to see how that is an issue. I know fo other software that uses end user selectable language sets and is highly customizable. Also the fact that a lot of the rest of MM uses templates kind of points to the possibility that the rest ought to be able to as well. It's open-source software; grab a copy, and start working! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] My first time setting up mailman, some misc questions/comments
On 14 Apr 2016, at 12:03, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: If you're working with Mailman 2, dubious. There may never be another release of Mailman 2 (but Mark is authoritative). And Mac OS X has been somewhat unkind to us (Apple's Mailman has been a long-term source of support requests to which we mostly have to reply "uuuhhh ... install from source and we'll get back to you, Apple's Mailman is *weird*". You know, I've heard this for years, but some time ago (a long time ago, now that I think of it :-) I diff'd the Apple-supplied Mailman with the appropriate source tarball, and they were essentially identical. I think the only thing that was different was the startup script. -- Steve -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] list sponsorships
On 15 May 2017, at 10:29, Matt Morgan wrote: Has anybody experimented with (or succeeded with) any form of mailman list sponsorship? A nonprofit professional assocation I work for asked me for advice about it. If there are current examples I'd be curious to see them. If the nonprofit is a 503 (c), you can get free hosting from DreamHost, and host the mailing list on that host. Assuming you want to admin your own host, that is. -- Steve -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
