Re: Go-ahead for a community survey
Hi Michael, I've had a look at the questionnaire, and have spotted a few issues with it. I'd be happy to provide you with some more substantive feedback. (I have a background in social research.) There are a couple of bigger issues with self-selection survey that we need to consider though. The main one is sample bias - since people will be volunteering to fill in the survey, we will have no idea how representative it is of GNOME users. Worse still, it could possibly suffer from efforts to recruit people based on their preexisting opinions (fill in the survey to tell the GNOME project how much we hate GNOME 3 / fill in the survey to tell the GNOME developers how much you love GNOME 3). My concern about this is that any results that are generated will be highly suggestive. If you publish something saying that 99% of respondents love/hate GNOME 3, it will appear that 99% of all users love/hate GNOME 3, and that is how the result will be interpreted. Yet, we will have no idea how that result actually relates to the GNOME 3 user population as a whole. That wouldn't be very good publicity, and it wouldn't help us get a better idea about the attitudes and opinions of everyone who uses GNOME. This problem is compounded by the fact that many people don't even know that they are running GNOME; a lot of people only identify their distribution as the thing that they use. Allan On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Michael Heyns mike.bean.he...@gmail.com wrote: At first I wasn't sure if I should span all of 3.x because many of the issues of previous releases have been pinpointed by now. But in hindsight and looking at which versions are default for most distros, it makes much more sense. I will make the appropriate changes. Thank you, everybody. -- Michael Heyns gplus.to/beanaroo On 24/05/2013 6:05 AM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.com wrote: I think that it looks great, and I agree with Fabiana and Karen that it would be good to expand it beyond just GNOME 3.8 (to perhaps see just what versions people are using). Brett On May 23, 2013 1:49 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.com wrote: That looks great! This kind of information is much needed, thank you. Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) One idea is to focus the survey on the 3.x family, instead of in a single release. With this, we would also be able to explore the perceived improvement of GNOME 3 for those users that have been using it since 3.0 (or later). For example, we could ask 1) what release they are currently using and how do they rate it; and 2) how do they rate the improvement between this release and the first one they used (would be interesting to know which release was that). - Fabiana On 23 May 2013 12:29, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2013 10:13 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: Fantastic Michael! Thanks - I can't wait to see the results! Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) karen On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Michael Heyns mike.bean.he...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Gnome Team, I trust this is an appropriate method of communication. I have been a Gnome user since 2004 and I haven't contributed much besides the odd bug report but I am very enthusiastic about the platform and have really enjoyed Gnome 3.x so far. In an effort to understand more about my fellow users, I designed a questionnaire with no hidden agenda besides pure curiosity and the hope that information could be of some use to somebody. I didn't want to start promoting it all over the internet before consulting with you as I don't want to step on any toes. Please have a look at it and tell me what you think. Maybe I can improve on it. Unofficial Gnome 3.8 User Survey - 2013: http://goo.gl/pC48p I work with information systems and have a fair understanding of statistics so I plan on compiling summaries and reports once the feedback is strong enough. I look forward to hearing from you and as always I am very grateful for everything you do for me and my computers :) (too cheesy?) All the best, -- *Michael Heyns* gplus.to/beanaroo -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it.
Re: Go-ahead for a community survey
I have updated the original questionnaire and published it. Unfortunately it got shot down almost immediately by Google+ Community moderator William Jon McCann as polls are not allowed. Does the marketing team have any spare advice for me on how to reach the community before I start spamming distro forums? Thank you, once again. On 24/05/2013 1:33 PM, Michael Heyns mike.bean.he...@gmail.com wrote: At first I wasn't sure if I should span all of 3.x because many of the issues of previous releases have been pinpointed by now. But in hindsight and looking at which versions are default for most distros, it makes much more sense. I will make the appropriate changes. Thank you, everybody. -- Michael Heyns gplus.to/beanaroo On 24/05/2013 6:05 AM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.com wrote: I think that it looks great, and I agree with Fabiana and Karen that it would be good to expand it beyond just GNOME 3.8 (to perhaps see just what versions people are using). Brett On May 23, 2013 1:49 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.com wrote: That looks great! This kind of information is much needed, thank you. Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) One idea is to focus the survey on the 3.x family, instead of in a single release. With this, we would also be able to explore the perceived improvement of GNOME 3 for those users that have been using it since 3.0 (or later). For example, we could ask 1) what release they are currently using and how do they rate it; and 2) how do they rate the improvement between this release and the first one they used (would be interesting to know which release was that). - Fabiana On 23 May 2013 12:29, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2013 10:13 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: Fantastic Michael! Thanks - I can't wait to see the results! Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) karen On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Michael Heyns mike.bean.he...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Gnome Team, I trust this is an appropriate method of communication. I have been a Gnome user since 2004 and I haven't contributed much besides the odd bug report but I am very enthusiastic about the platform and have really enjoyed Gnome 3.x so far. In an effort to understand more about my fellow users, I designed a questionnaire with no hidden agenda besides pure curiosity and the hope that information could be of some use to somebody. I didn't want to start promoting it all over the internet before consulting with you as I don't want to step on any toes. Please have a look at it and tell me what you think. Maybe I can improve on it. Unofficial Gnome 3.8 User Survey - 2013: http://goo.gl/pC48p I work with information systems and have a fair understanding of statistics so I plan on compiling summaries and reports once the feedback is strong enough. I look forward to hearing from you and as always I am very grateful for everything you do for me and my computers :) (too cheesy?) All the best, -- *Michael Heyns* gplus.to/beanaroo -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Go-ahead for a community survey
Fantastic Michael! Thanks - I can't wait to see the results! On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Michael Heyns mike.bean.he...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Gnome Team, I trust this is an appropriate method of communication. I have been a Gnome user since 2004 and I haven't contributed much besides the odd bug report but I am very enthusiastic about the platform and have really enjoyed Gnome 3.x so far. In an effort to understand more about my fellow users, I designed a questionnaire with no hidden agenda besides pure curiosity and the hope that information could be of some use to somebody. I didn't want to start promoting it all over the internet before consulting with you as I don't want to step on any toes. Please have a look at it and tell me what you think. Maybe I can improve on it. Unofficial Gnome 3.8 User Survey - 2013: http://goo.gl/pC48p I work with information systems and have a fair understanding of statistics so I plan on compiling summaries and reports once the feedback is strong enough. I look forward to hearing from you and as always I am very grateful for everything you do for me and my computers :) (too cheesy?) All the best, -- *Michael Heyns* gplus.to/beanaroo -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Go-ahead for a community survey
On Thu, May 23, 2013 10:13 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: Fantastic Michael! Thanks - I can't wait to see the results! Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) karen On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Michael Heyns mike.bean.he...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Gnome Team, I trust this is an appropriate method of communication. I have been a Gnome user since 2004 and I haven't contributed much besides the odd bug report but I am very enthusiastic about the platform and have really enjoyed Gnome 3.x so far. In an effort to understand more about my fellow users, I designed a questionnaire with no hidden agenda besides pure curiosity and the hope that information could be of some use to somebody. I didn't want to start promoting it all over the internet before consulting with you as I don't want to step on any toes. Please have a look at it and tell me what you think. Maybe I can improve on it. Unofficial Gnome 3.8 User Survey - 2013: http://goo.gl/pC48p I work with information systems and have a fair understanding of statistics so I plan on compiling summaries and reports once the feedback is strong enough. I look forward to hearing from you and as always I am very grateful for everything you do for me and my computers :) (too cheesy?) All the best, -- *Michael Heyns* gplus.to/beanaroo -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Go-ahead for a community survey
That looks great! This kind of information is much needed, thank you. Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) One idea is to focus the survey on the 3.x family, instead of in a single release. With this, we would also be able to explore the perceived improvement of GNOME 3 for those users that have been using it since 3.0 (or later). For example, we could ask 1) what release they are currently using and how do they rate it; and 2) how do they rate the improvement between this release and the first one they used (would be interesting to know which release was that). - Fabiana On 23 May 2013 12:29, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2013 10:13 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: Fantastic Michael! Thanks - I can't wait to see the results! Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) karen On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Michael Heyns mike.bean.he...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Gnome Team, I trust this is an appropriate method of communication. I have been a Gnome user since 2004 and I haven't contributed much besides the odd bug report but I am very enthusiastic about the platform and have really enjoyed Gnome 3.x so far. In an effort to understand more about my fellow users, I designed a questionnaire with no hidden agenda besides pure curiosity and the hope that information could be of some use to somebody. I didn't want to start promoting it all over the internet before consulting with you as I don't want to step on any toes. Please have a look at it and tell me what you think. Maybe I can improve on it. Unofficial Gnome 3.8 User Survey - 2013: http://goo.gl/pC48p I work with information systems and have a fair understanding of statistics so I plan on compiling summaries and reports once the feedback is strong enough. I look forward to hearing from you and as always I am very grateful for everything you do for me and my computers :) (too cheesy?) All the best, -- *Michael Heyns* gplus.to/beanaroo -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Go-ahead for a community survey
I think that it looks great, and I agree with Fabiana and Karen that it would be good to expand it beyond just GNOME 3.8 (to perhaps see just what versions people are using). Brett On May 23, 2013 1:49 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.com wrote: That looks great! This kind of information is much needed, thank you. Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) One idea is to focus the survey on the 3.x family, instead of in a single release. With this, we would also be able to explore the perceived improvement of GNOME 3 for those users that have been using it since 3.0 (or later). For example, we could ask 1) what release they are currently using and how do they rate it; and 2) how do they rate the improvement between this release and the first one they used (would be interesting to know which release was that). - Fabiana On 23 May 2013 12:29, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2013 10:13 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: Fantastic Michael! Thanks - I can't wait to see the results! Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) karen On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Michael Heyns mike.bean.he...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Gnome Team, I trust this is an appropriate method of communication. I have been a Gnome user since 2004 and I haven't contributed much besides the odd bug report but I am very enthusiastic about the platform and have really enjoyed Gnome 3.x so far. In an effort to understand more about my fellow users, I designed a questionnaire with no hidden agenda besides pure curiosity and the hope that information could be of some use to somebody. I didn't want to start promoting it all over the internet before consulting with you as I don't want to step on any toes. Please have a look at it and tell me what you think. Maybe I can improve on it. Unofficial Gnome 3.8 User Survey - 2013: http://goo.gl/pC48p I work with information systems and have a fair understanding of statistics so I plan on compiling summaries and reports once the feedback is strong enough. I look forward to hearing from you and as always I am very grateful for everything you do for me and my computers :) (too cheesy?) All the best, -- *Michael Heyns* gplus.to/beanaroo -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Go-ahead for a community survey
At first I wasn't sure if I should span all of 3.x because many of the issues of previous releases have been pinpointed by now. But in hindsight and looking at which versions are default for most distros, it makes much more sense. I will make the appropriate changes. Thank you, everybody. -- Michael Heyns gplus.to/beanaroo On 24/05/2013 6:05 AM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.com wrote: I think that it looks great, and I agree with Fabiana and Karen that it would be good to expand it beyond just GNOME 3.8 (to perhaps see just what versions people are using). Brett On May 23, 2013 1:49 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.com wrote: That looks great! This kind of information is much needed, thank you. Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) One idea is to focus the survey on the 3.x family, instead of in a single release. With this, we would also be able to explore the perceived improvement of GNOME 3 for those users that have been using it since 3.0 (or later). For example, we could ask 1) what release they are currently using and how do they rate it; and 2) how do they rate the improvement between this release and the first one they used (would be interesting to know which release was that). - Fabiana On 23 May 2013 12:29, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2013 10:13 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: Fantastic Michael! Thanks - I can't wait to see the results! Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey to 3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed it for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some time for that :) karen On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Michael Heyns mike.bean.he...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Gnome Team, I trust this is an appropriate method of communication. I have been a Gnome user since 2004 and I haven't contributed much besides the odd bug report but I am very enthusiastic about the platform and have really enjoyed Gnome 3.x so far. In an effort to understand more about my fellow users, I designed a questionnaire with no hidden agenda besides pure curiosity and the hope that information could be of some use to somebody. I didn't want to start promoting it all over the internet before consulting with you as I don't want to step on any toes. Please have a look at it and tell me what you think. Maybe I can improve on it. Unofficial Gnome 3.8 User Survey - 2013: http://goo.gl/pC48p I work with information systems and have a fair understanding of statistics so I plan on compiling summaries and reports once the feedback is strong enough. I look forward to hearing from you and as always I am very grateful for everything you do for me and my computers :) (too cheesy?) All the best, -- *Michael Heyns* gplus.to/beanaroo -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
