million status-doublechecked exponents being in error is about five orders
of magnitudes higher.
Still acceptible, or at least a minor consern in comparison to the other
security issues.
Regards
Brian Beesley
Daran G
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The Feds seized your computer? Gosh, I had no idea they took exponent
poaching so seriously. ;-)
Humour aside, I'm intrigued. Why was your kit taken?
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some idea when this will be complete?
Enjoy,
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On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:04:10PM -0800, Chris Marble wrote:
I've been running mprime on Linux for a bit less than 2 years now.
I was looking at the directory on one box and found some ancient files:
mE013037.001
mF320219.001
mF550789.001
mF614243.001
mF687599.001
These are from a dual
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:58:15PM -0800, Eric Hahn wrote:
Daran wrote:
Chris Marble wrote:
Actually the .001 extension would be expected... especially
if running MPrime on a dual CPU box... with one instance using
the -A1 switch... Using the -A switch will put an extension
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 09:05:41PM +, Brian J. Beesley wrote:
On Monday 10 March 2003 07:49, Daran wrote:
I just tried Test=8907359,64,0 on two systems - an Athlon XP 1700+ and a
P4-2533, both running mprime v23.2 with 384 MB memory configured (out of 512
MB total in the system
ratio I am trying to measure. Consequently I am
inclined to exclude these results, though I report them for completeness:
Of the 10 stage 2 factors found, 2 were extended. They are:-
P-1 found a factor in stage #2, B1=2, B2=395000.
UID: daran/1, M1231753 has a factor: 591108149622595096537
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 09:51:33PM -0800, Chris Marble wrote:
Daran wrote:
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 08:12:31PM -0800, Chris Marble wrote:
Daran wrote:
I like my stats but I could certainly devote 1 machine out of 20 to this.
If you're going to use one machine to feed the others
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 08:12:31PM -0800, Chris Marble wrote:
Daran wrote:
Whichever machine you choose for P-1, always give it absolutely as much
memory as you can without thrashing. There is an upper limit to how much it
will use, but this is probably in the gigabytes for exponents
types of work.
Where the considerations discussed above conflict, I don't know what the
balance is between them.
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agree to be bound by are those in deciding how the
cash-prize is split up.
Isn't that what we're discussing? Changes to the rules and proceedures.
Gordon
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On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 03:03:53PM -0800, spike66 wrote:
spike
(Please, fellow math lovers, do let us get
things in the proper perspective here. GIMPS
is just for fun.)
Isn't that the point. Poaching spoils the fun for the poachee.
Regards
Daran G
tested to no higher than B1=B2=3000. I will report my findings in due
course.
Imagine my delight at finding the following enormous factor in my
results.txt file:-
[Sat Jan 18 20:21:28 2003]
P-1 found a factor in stage #2, B1=3, B2=547500.
UID: daran/1, M2010413 has a factor
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Daran wrote:
Ad far as I can see it is a regular PostScript. I don't know
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At 10:31 PM 12/3/2002
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There is obviously a tradeoff here between increasing B2 and simplifying E
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The analysis is more complex than this...
I never doubted that. :-)
[...]
Why
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Let's see if I get this right.
Overwhelmingly, the factors produced by P-1
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At 06:05 PM 11/27/2002 +, Daran wrote:
if (D = 180) E = 2
. Most things were functional
then but the status updates had last run 8am. Now we've got an
unresponsive
server. Anyone heard anything?
Is it my imagination, or has the server gotten far less reliable in recent
months?
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This is the Brent-Suyama extension, aka Suyama's powers. In short, if
you
will keep us going into at least M35.999.999 for
the save files. What will happen when Z is used out? I very well know we
have a couple of years to rethink but the day is going to come...
There's no need to restrict filenames to 8 characters with modern OSs
Regards
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user
could get an allowance, proportionate to the number of TF assignments
returned, that would be deemed to be 'honest' errors, and not penalised.
P-1 (which I do almost exclusively) seems to be woefully ill-rewarded.
tsc
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for any P-1 you do.
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, then 21-1 was improperly included. If 21+3
is prime, then 21-3 was included.
How could this lead to factors being missed?
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That's what beta testers are for.
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to
get a (possibly reduced) chance of finding a factor in stage 2
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know
that this is not trivial, but it remains feasible.
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Daran - you ask why highest and not lowest? The discussion started
regarding old machines running v18 which are no longer
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What do you have in mind, a volunteer marketing effort?
'Volunteer' goes without saying. Certainly we need a marketing effort.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Eric
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This is the Brent-Suyama extension, aka Suyama's powers. In short, if
you
found
earlier during TF. However given that some factors found have been 130
bits, then the possibility is there.
I was wondering if returned factors are checked for primality.
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But my name is Torben...
My apologies.
With an unusual spelling to my own name, I
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Look towards the end of this thread for benchmarks with LL and factoring
on
one processor via
range (though found factors are checked by the server itself).
And I would be disappointed if I learned that an LL I did could have
been solved far earlier - and using less effort.
One way to avoid this disappointment personally would be to focus solely
upon TF or
P-1.
br tsc
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past a large range of possible factors, would be made a great
deal
more difficult.
Easily cracked. Why not just encrypt it?
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TFed.
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Could this feature of forthcoming Intel processors be used to do trial
factorisation without adversely impacting upon a simultaneous LL? Could
this be easily implemented?
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I'm taking the liberty of replying to his on-list, since other people here
might have some input.
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from 9-11 to 9-5, is v.22.8 that much
more efficient than 21.4?
This is on my Athalon processor. I have a pentiumIII I'm
going to upgrade also, will it speed it up too?
You mean Pentium IV, surely? A Pentium III is a downgrade from an Athlon.
Regards
Daran G
bandwidth which is the limiting factor. The 1%
improvement probably comes again from synchronous operation.
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will stand for exaflops in your quantum computer, and we'll
be working with FFT's in the gigabyte size range. ;-)
When we get a GigaQbit QC, we won't be bothering with FFTs. We'll just test
every exponent simultaneously by trial division.
Regards
Daran
be releasing it back to the server within the
next few days, unless I hear that I shouldn't.
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The first test of this number had 5 roundoff 0.40 errors. Since the
result is highly suspect, it was re
,
Ian
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Daran mentioned that he was only doing P-1 factoring,
leaving the LL test for others
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Am Samstag, 20. Juli 2002 19:01 schrieb Daran:
The temp is normal, it shouldn't be over 65 degrees. Try to get a new fan
). The only trade-off
is between the cost of the P-1 vs the expected cost of the LL computation.
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Prime95 version 22.3.1
P-1 factoring with 459MB available memory, the program chose the following
limits for these two exponants.
7786567B1=4, B2=64
7714127B1=4, B2=65
Why did the smaller exponant get the higher B2 limit?
Regards
Daran G
I read a while back that exponents up to 8M had been made available for DC
assignments. Currently the server is up to 797. Have any more been
made available? Is this information available anywhere on the webpages?
Regard
Daran
) is dated April this year.
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On Tuesday 11 June 2002 06:13, Daran wrote:
[... snip ... interesting
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This appears to have happened to me at least once. I'll spend some time
later today cross-referencing my WTD file against pminus1.txt to see
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6972001 and 7076669 are starred although the fact bits column seems to
indicate that both trial factoring
. If you work in the same order
as the poacher, work on lots of exponents will be replicated. If you
work in the opposite order, only one exponent will be accidentally
triple-checked.
A solution, then, is not to do small exponants at all.
Regards
Brian Beesley
Daran G
by someone else in some uncertain future? Currently I'm
finishing my first exponent (that's M7505207 double-check)...
Don't disclose your exponants to a list read by Aaron Blosser. :-)
M,
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it permanently.
I now have 90 days of DC work queued, which I have to do, or lose the work
I've done.
Does anyone know about this?
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-- it stores the last
two names until a valid doublecheck proves the exponent composite.
Better would be to store every name until a valid doublecheck proves the
exponant composite. The extra storage would be negligable.
Bruce Leenstra mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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there, then.
Personally I can think of at least two characteristics of kookdom exhibited
by you - a total disregard for the feelings of others, and making absurd
stalking allegations against them.
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WITH EXPONENT-POACHERS as well as all WEAKLING MORAL RELATIVISTS,
Death to the extremists!
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finding M#39?
Just my few words
happy hunting
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Any suggestions?
If you've got less than 512MB on your linux box, email the exponant(s) to
me, (after you've TFed it) and I'll P-1 it for you. I can do a 6-7M P-1 in
about 3 hours, so I'd guess it'd take a couple of days.
TIA, Gerry
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of machines includes many that are not really
active.
Bruce
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However, there's another generalisation that occurs to me that would be
quite cheap
prime search is moving in that direction. Each day, its
network of computers does work that would take a single 90MHz Pentium
computer 200 years to accomplish...
200 X 365 = 73000 p90 days/day
So what are the other 137,000 faster than P90 machines doing?
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computing project. An idling computer is like a
running tap.
Cheers... Russ
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Subject: Re: Mersenne: P-1 Stage 2
P-1 stage 1 computes x = a^E (mod N), where E is the product of all
primes and prime powers = B1
... of the GIMPS website http://www.mersenne.org/ a list of other
distributed computing projects? By all means link to and support these
projects, but wouldn't prime.htm be a more sensible starting point?
Regards
Daran G
The math page http://www.mersenne.org/math.htm explains how to do a stage 1
P-1 test with given bound B1, but it omits the explanation of the
enhansement that uses B2 in stage 2. Anyone care to explain
how this is done?
Cheers
Daran G
start doing our bit to promote this. I'm
itching to get this into into my email/newsgroup sig, but I don't want to
preempt the official release by as much as one second.
Also what's the prefered URL?
Congratulations to all,
George
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On 3 Dec 2001, at 20:45, Daran wrote:
Shouldn't that be 1.015 for double-checking
probably not that
far behind GIMPS in terms of total computing done. How far will depend upon
how good they are at mobilising support.
[...]
In reply to a statement of mine about the extra benefit of finding a
specific factor,
Daran G. wrote:
I can see no way of objectively quantifying
if factors are given an
intrinsic value of their own.
Of course, the real scarce resource is not computer cycles, nor even ideas
for improvement, but in programming effort to implement. Calculating that
particular trade-off I leave to others.
-- George
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automatically - i.e. will new
exponents be automatically sent if a manual update is done?
Thanks,
Keith
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, the uncountable infinity of
non-rational real numbers, complex numbers, quaternians...
The rest of our efforts have been trivial in comparison. :-)
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of interest, why should prior discoverers be so privileged?
[...]
Irritated
Yes, I rather feel the same. It's like enjoying the build-up to Christmas
only to find that someone's open your present five days ahead of time.
Brian Beesley
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* chance_of_trial_factoring. Then P-1 factorise.
Then complete trial factorisation according to the above formula.
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prime), it's generally expected to be composite.
Nathan
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as effectively as I can with 512MB RAM, if they can do
it at all. Therefore I am doing work which might not otherwise get done.
[...]
As an old punchline goes: If you don't, someone else will! Ahem.
Or not.
Richard B. Woods
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Does this mean that we're not doing enough double-checking?
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0099f124 10001327 0099f020 005c 00640e4c
0099f55c 0002 00640e4c 00640e4c 7fc12c78 005c 000b
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min. factor size
M751 - 81.0003% probability - 526-bit max. factor size
Ditto 807 bits.
M751 - 30.1716% probability - highly composite factors
Is M751 now the smallest unfactorised composite Mersenne? What is the
smallest Mersenne not completely factorised?
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to incorporate
this additional information.
Alex
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it with itself
Oh, you are a tease. :-)
What is it that you do?
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. It's not even 0 mod
3
However http://www.utm.edu/research/primes/mersenne.shtml#test does state
the P must be odd. So I guess the mersenne.org page is wrong.
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than 170...727 is not a factor of P.
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, and it was still happily hacking
through a DC. I won't be visiting her for some time, and I can't ask her to
do any more than trivial admin. Would it be sufficient just to tell her how
to set it to automatic communication? Would this upset the primenet server?
Regards
Daran G
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Date: 24 July 2001 21:17
Subject: Re: Mersenne: P-1
I'll see if I can work out a solution with Scott. A minimum solution would
have
the server return whether
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Date: 24 July 2001 00:18
Subject: Re: Mersenne: P-1
Daran,
Again I'm not the most qualified person to reply but...
The name of the game is validate
, or to do so with a good chance of success, could be given pretested
exponants for first-time/DC LLs
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Daran G.
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result, and would have had to wait five months to turn in the
next if I hadn't upgraded. The new machine runs fifteen to twenty times as
fast, so I should double that in a couple of months or so.
Cheers... Russ
Daran G
What is the probability of a successful trial factorisation in the range of
exponants currently being given out (16-17M)?
Are the estimates given by the program for p-1 factorisation accurate?
Regards
Daran G
-Original Message-
From: Gareth Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 15 May 2001 23:36
Subject: Re: Mersenne: GIMPS accelerator?
Daran,
This is an interesting piece of lateral thinking that deserves to go further
than I think it actually does.
Thank
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