[meteorite-list] Calcalong Creek
Hello Steve, here the well known story of Calcalong Creek (can be found on Rob Elliott's page of Fernlea meteorites) Calcalong Creek (Wiluna District,Western Australia) Lunar, impact melt breccia Found after 1960, recognised 1990: Total known weight 19g It's the only lunar meteorite to have a name instead of a number, it's the first non-Antarctic lunarite to be discovered and just look at the incredibly low total known weight! Calcalong Creek is also the best known of all the moon rocks and is likely to remain so, with it's name now firmly in the meteoritical history books. Calcalong Creek is an impact melt breccia, calculated from the bulk analysis as: 50% anorthosite, 20% KREEP, 15% Sc-Cr-V and 15% low-Ti mare basalt - a material found during the Luna 16 mission on the surface of the Moon. The small 100% fusion crusted rock was probably collected by an Aboriginal meteorite hunter while searching for specimens of the Millbillillie eucrite meteorite fall of October 1960. Gold prospector Harry Redford visited the Wiluna area and found a few dozen Millbillillie eucrites but he was alone and it was hard going, so he enlisted the help of the local Aborigines by offering rewards for all Millbillillies recovered. With an army of eagre hunters working with him, Redford recovered hundreds of Millbillillies which he later sold to the "Meteorite Man".Tucson's Robert Haag. While picking through the many Millbillillie stones, Haag examined each one carefully and came across a small, completely fusion crusted 19g stone "that felt different", so he put it aside to examine later. When he re-examined the stone again, Haag noticed small gas vesicules on the fusion crust, a rare texture previously seen on only a few other meteorites. The fusion crust also had a slight greenish tinge which separated it from the glossy black fusion crusted Millbillillie stones. He ground a small corner off and noticed small while clasts that he'd seen before in photographs of moon rocks. Haag took the small stone for expert analysis and received the following report from W.Boynton and D.Hill at the University of Arizona Lunar and Planetary Lab. "We have analysed the new meteorite by neutron activation analysis and believe it to be of lunar origin based on comparison with other meteorites and samples returned from Apollo landing sites" It was official - Robert Haag had discovered the first ever lunar meteorite found outside of Antarctica!! Haag donated about 6g to science and retained the remainder in his own magnificent meteorite collection. Meteorite hunters have since found a comparatively small amount more lunar material while scouring the Sahara Desert but Calcalong Creek remains the most highly prized of all. It contains both Lunar Highland AND Mare regions and has the highest known concentration of all KREEP rare earth elements out of all known lunar material. including Apollo return samples!! Couretesy of the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Washington University in St.Louis comes the following extract: "The Calcalong Creek meteorite is the first lunar meteorite to be found outside of Antarctica. Compositionally, it is unique among lunar meteorites in having high concentrations of incompatible trace elements, which indicates that it probably came from the Procellarum region of the Moon." http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/calcalong.html Peter Marmet
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[meteorite-list] Calcalong Creek
Peter Marmet wrote: It's the only lunar meteorite to have a name instead of a number Hello Steve, Peter and List! Peter, you are not quite right ;-) There is another, albeit very small one, the famous Hadley Rille, EH, recovered by Apollo 15 astronauts at Station 9, near Hadley Rille. This tiny specimen contains euhedral and acicular enstatite grains + kamacite globules. It was significantly impact melted when it accreted to the lunar regolith (see Met.Bull. 81, 1997, A160). And, last but not least, there is Bench Crater (CM1-like matrix) brought back to Earth from the moon by the Apollo 12 astronauts. There is only a single fragment 3mm x 1.5 mm in a thin section of rock fragments and List member Allan Treiman says it is the only rock from on the moon that contains water-bearing minerals. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Calcalong Creek
Bernd and list: Bench Crater Hadley Rille are not lunar meteorites. See the only published paper on this subject, and a fine one at that! Rubin A.E. and Grossman J. N., 1998, What is a meteorite? The pursuit of a comprehensive definition. Meteorite!, v.4 no. 3, 24-25. The adjective indicates the point of origin, not the body that the meteorite fell on. Like most meteorites that fall on earth, these two are asteroidal meteorites. jeff At 10:15 AM 1/15/2003, Bernd Pauli HD wrote: Peter Marmet wrote: It's the only lunar meteorite to have a name instead of a number Hello Steve, Peter and List! Peter, you are not quite right ;-) There is another, albeit very small one, the famous Hadley Rille, EH, recovered by Apollo 15 astronauts at Station 9, near Hadley Rille. This tiny specimen contains euhedral and acicular enstatite grains + kamacite globules. It was significantly impact melted when it accreted to the lunar regolith (see Met.Bull. 81, 1997, A160). And, last but not least, there is Bench Crater (CM1-like matrix) brought back to Earth from the moon by the Apollo 12 astronauts. There is only a single fragment 3mm x 1.5 mm in a thin section of rock fragments and List member Allan Treiman says it is the only rock from on the moon that contains water-bearing minerals. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA
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Dear M, M come, and List; This was my thought as well. Nice quality pictures showed quartz/feldspar-like matrix that reminded me of more terrestrial materials. Knowing the history of sedimentary related materials from this area kept me in this frame of thoughts. I am not the final word, any one else care to venture a good guess? Regards, Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: .the matrix is similar to the quartz, and probably is terrestrial material. opinions from others? Regards Matteo --- M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE SEE THIS: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pln/ Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The rarest meteorite
Hi Bernd and list, Bernd, I completely agree what you wrote about the two elusive lunar meteorites Hadley Rille and Bench Crater. Recently I was looking through catalogs trying to find out which could be the rarest meteorite a collector would dream to possess, rarest in terms of just a few criteria as the (smallest) total weight, locality and perhaps even type. I went to the conclusion it might well be Hadley Rille: brought from Moon, only c.a. 3 mg (!) available, and, if I remember, all used to make a thin section and, last but not least, it is more than an ordinary chondrite, just an...impact melted EH! Bench Crater is another candidate indeed, as a CM1-like type is perhaps even more rare, it has a similar origin but its weight is not documented (at least in this wonderful small handbook Meteorites from A to Z, that I always carry with me anywhere). A 3x1.5 mm TS could probably correspond to a similar tkw. Thanks for reminding us these two. I am quite sure NOBODY would ever have a chance to get any fraction of milligram of these two in collection (I'd be glad somebody could contredict me). Now the question: Whoever knows if there migh be somewhere hidden (in a museum, collection, or just cited in the literature...) some even more rare meteorite, rare being based on similar criteria as above, thus combining location, tkw and type, to take just these three and simplify. Just a challange.. Zelimir -- At 16:15 15/01/03 +0100, you wrote: Hello Steve, Peter and List! Peter, you are not quite right ;-) There is another, albeit very small one, the famous Hadley Rille, EH, recovered by Apollo 15 astronauts at Station 9, near Hadley Rille. This tiny specimen contains euhedral and acicular enstatite grains + kamacite globules. It was significantly impact melted when it accreted to the lunar regolith (see Met.Bull. 81, 1997, A160). And, last but not least, there is Bench Crater (CM1-like matrix) brought back to Earth from the moon by the Apollo 12 astronauts. There is only a single fragment 3mm x 1.5 mm in a thin section of rock fragments and List member Allan Treiman says it is the only rock from on the moon that contains water-bearing minerals. Best regards, Bernd ** Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Groupe Sécurité et Ecologie Chimiques (GSEC) - ENSCMu 3, rue A. Werner F-68093 MULHOUSE Cedex, FRANCE Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 FAX: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The rarest meteorite
Hello Zelmir and all, Rare? How about Revelstoke? TKW ~1 gram; a CI1, and Canadian. Go for it STEVE A. ;-) Regards, Frank Now the question: Whoever knows if there migh be somewhere hidden (in a museum, collection, or just cited in the literature...) some even more rare meteorite, rare being based on similar criteria as above, thus combining location, tkw and type, to take just these three and simplify. Just a challange.. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The rarest meteorite
Hello all A rarest italian fall is the Piancaldoli meteorite, a LL3 meteorite, after the fall only 3 pieces of gr.7.55, 5.1 and 0.41 as found, but all probably is lost, only a thin section in the Natural Museum of Washington is available. Regards matteo --- fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Zelmir and all, Rare? How about Revelstoke? TKW ~1 gram; a CI1, and Canadian. Go for it STEVE A. ;-) Regards, Frank Now the question: Whoever knows if there migh be somewhere hidden (in a museum, collection, or just cited in the literature...) some even more rare meteorite, rare being based on similar criteria as above, thus combining location, tkw and type, to take just these three and simplify. Just a challange.. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] history of calcalong creek lunar
Well Steve.. the best I remember.. Robert Haag found it in Australia near Calcalong Creek as he was collecting Murchison. I think was Murchison). Anyway this one was different and he had it analyzed. Voila calcalong. One of my very favorites pieces because someone special thought of me. :-) Rosie - Original Message - From: STEVE ARNOLD To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] history of calcalong creek lunar GREAT morning to all on the list. I have a question. What is the history and TKW of this mysterious lunar piece? Just for my knowledge! Thanks all. steve Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 The midwest meteorite collector! I.M.C.A. member #6728 Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
Hi Ron and list The fact is that dinosaur fossils are not found at the k-T boundary. One has to go 9-10 ft at best, below the boundary to find dinosaur bones in any of the beds that contain dinosaur fossils. This represents a substantial period of time prior to the impact layer. This is why it is argued against. No one has yet to find dinosaur bones at or immediately below the boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision I have read many of the popular theories on the extinction events argued in this message, and to be frank, the fact remains that dinosaurs, in general, were on the decline. The dinosaurs may have well been on gradual decline prior to the impact, but even if that is the case, that does not contradict their abrupt disappearance at the time of impact. As far as an impacter causing the extinction. I'm skeptical, for then, how do the mammals, marsupials, and birds, all non-burrowing, survive a world affecting impact. I don't find it strange at all that the large animal species at the top of the food chain (ie: dinosaurs) were the most adversely affected by the impact. The smaller species or the more mobile (mammals, birds, reptiles, etc.) had a better chance of survival in the aftermath. A large number of the smaller animals did go extinct as well at the time of the impact, but some were able to survive. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gao baby individuals and oriented on Ebay
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[meteorite-list] ebay
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Re: [meteorite-list] please please see this
I know very little about terrestrial geology (or any other, really ;-) but it resembles altered granite, like a gneiss or (less so) a schist. Don't have a lot of that out here to compare it to, though. Aside from cutting a section of it, has any analysis been done on this rock? Does it pass the sniff test for meteorites? Tracy Latimer From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] .the matrix is similar to the quartz, and probably is terrestrial material. opinions from others? Regards Matteo --- M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE SEE THIS: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pln/ Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology?
What would be the correct thing to call an impactor like Hadley Rille or Bench Crater? I gather that 'meteorite' refers only to things that impact Earth; how about things that hit other planets? Eventually we will find more foreign bodies on other planets; may as well get the language straight now! Tracy Latimer _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pronounciation!
Hi Jeff! Thanks for the guidelines for pronouncing Gujba - I suspect that the NomCom picked the most unpronouncable name in the area! And, of course, thanks for probably the most qualified person on the list to advise me! very best! dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] rarest meteorite
Hi How about a slice of Nogata? very best dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology?
Hi Tracy, What would be the correct thing to call an impactor like Hadley Rille or Bench Crater? I gather that 'meteorite' refers only to things that impact Earth; how about things that hit other planets? On this list I've seen the words lunaite and lunarite. I've always assumed the former refers to a piece of the Moon found on earth (lunar meteorite), and the latter refers to a piece of an asteroid found on the Moon (e.g. Hadley Rille). I guess it's a little confusing given that the two words only differ by one letter. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Rock, Terrestrial, Desert Varnish, Probably Granite, Maybe Quartz looks like the stuff the used to make curb stones out of in the good ol days. Definitely not from out of this world and I am the least qualified on this list to say so, but I know an Earth Rock when I see one. Keep tryingby sheer dumb luck you are bound to find a meteorite, in fact the longer you look the better your odds are of actually picking one up. Mark M. - Original Message - From: M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] please please see this PLEASE SEE THIS: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pln/ Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Air Burst Over Palm Beach?
I was just informed that a number of contrails were seen over Palm Beach, California this morning (around 7AM Pacific time), and at least one air burst was observed. Apparently it was all captured on video tape by a local TV station, as they had a camera looking at a nearby mountain. Anyone have any further details? Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology?
Hi Jeff and all, In other words, if I correctly understand this, on another moon, asteroid or airless planet, the part of a meteoroid that survives impact on another body becomes a meteorite without an intervening meteor stage; (unless of course, it may have previously grazed an atmosphere ala the Gran Teton fireball of the 1960's). And once it becomes a lithified part of the impacted body, it becomes only a xenolithic clast. Easy to understand ;-) On another note, I was wondering what, if any, differences might be expected in the fusion crusts on Martian meteorites (those found on Mars) as compared to meteorites found on Earth? Any one have any ideas? Thanks, Frank - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology? Alan Rubin and I advocated calling all of these things meteorites no matter what body they were found on. Our definition was as follows, quoting from the article: A meteorite is a natural solid object that was transported by natural means from the body on which it formed to a region outside the dominant gravitational influence of that body and was later accreted by a natural body larger than itself. Our exception to this rule is: Meteorites accreting to a body lose their status as individual meteorites if the rocks into which they are incorporated subsequently become meteorites themselves. This means that a CM clast in an H chondrite that fell in Africa is not itself a meteorite... only the H chondrite is. Hadley Rille and Bench Crater ARE meteorites; however, had they been found as clasts in lunar meteorites, they would not be meteorites, and would not be given their own names by the nomenclature committee. Everybody follow this? I thought not. All of these statements are the opinion of just Alan and myself. There are no widely accepted definitions of meteorite. But since nobody else has ever tried to define the word like we did, I guess we get the last word for now. -jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Starshine 3 reentry update
Hi All, An update on the STARSHINE 3 upcoming decay. The reentry window has narrowed considerably in the last 24 hours. I'm now assuming it will occur sometime between 20 January 15:00 UT and 21 January 21:00 UT. This leaves only 6 passes that intersect the continental U.S. -- three ascending, three descending. (There is a 7th pass at the beginning of the window just off the coast of California). Here's a summary of these possibilities (all times Universal): Pass 1: Jan 21 02:20 ascending pass begins over Florida, continuing to southeastern Georgia, the Carolinas, Virginia, D.C., Maryland, eastern Pennsylvania, eastern New York, and the northwest tip of Vermont. The whole pass takes about 4 1/2 minutes. Pass 2: Jan 21 03:48 ascending pass begins near El Paso, Texas, continuing to Oklahoma panhandle, Kansas, Nebraska, the southeast tip of South Dakota and right through the heart of Minnesota before crossing into Canada around 03:53:30. Pass 3: Jan 21 05:18:30 ascending pass begins in San Francisco, heads over the intersection of CA/Nevada/Oregon, across eastern Oregon, northern Idaho and western Montana before crossing into Canada at 05:21:30. [In my opinion, reentry has the best chance of occurring on this pass based on present data.] Pass 4: Jan 21 11:32:30 descending pass begins in western New York south of Buffalo, crosses central Pennsylvania, central Maryland, close to D.C., the Chesapeake Bay and finally the Delmarva peninsula at 11:34. Pass 5: Jan 21 12:58:00 descending pass begins in eastern Montana, heading on to western South Dakota, Nebraska, central Kansas, central Oklahoma, eastern Texas, crossing into the Gulf of Mexico right at the Texas/Louisiana border at around 13:04. Pass 6: Jan 21 14:28:00 descending pass begins over southern coast of Oregon, and heads down the length of California and over Los Angeles at ~14:30 and San Diego less than 30 seconds later. For those in Hawai'i, there are three passes over or near the islands. The first is a descending pass around 18:01 UT on January 20 just to the west of Kaua'i. The second is an ascending pass around 6:41 UT on January 21 just to the southeast of the Big Island. Of the three, this is the most likely reentry pass. The third pass is descending at 07:29-07:30 UT over Maui and the Big Island. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] thank you
Good evening list. I just want to thank everyone who gave me info on the calcalong creek piece. It truly is a outstanding piece.How lucky bob haag was to find it. steveSteve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 The midwest meteorite collector! I.M.C.A. member #6728 Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.comDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [meteorite-list] please please see this
Mohamed and Matteo, It looks igneous to me...quartz or pyroxene crystals being the main mineral. Black mineral maybe magnetite...or a amphibole or a mica. Mohamed...question...does it attract to a strong magnet? If so, probably the black is magnetite. Regards, John - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] please please see this .the matrix is similar to the quartz, and probably is terrestrial material. opinions from others? Regards Matteo --- M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE SEE THIS: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pln/ Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology?
Frank, etc., Nope. You didn't understand all of what I said. The first part is right: we don't care if there was a meteor or whether the body doing the accreting had no atmosphere. Once the impactor survives landing, it becomes a meteorite. If it becomes incorporated into a rock as a xenolith, it is still a meteorite (e.g., Brunflo and the Osterplana fossil meteorites found in earth rocks, and). BUT, if the rock containing the clast itself becomes a meteorite by being ejected from its parent body and landing somewhere else, then the clast is no longer a meteorite... it's just a clast in a meteorite. We had to adopt this complex rule because otherwise we'd have to give a meteorite name to every asteroidal xenolith found in an asteroidal meteorite. The second part of your question should have been phrased: On another note, I was wondering what, if any, differences might be expected in the fusion crusts on meteorites found on Mars as compared to meteorites found on Earth? (remember, the former are NOT martian meteorites). My answer is, I don't know. jeff At 04:32 PM 1/15/2003, you wrote: Hi Jeff and all, In other words, if I correctly understand this, on another moon, asteroid or airless planet, the part of a meteoroid that survives impact on another body becomes a meteorite without an intervening meteor stage; (unless of course, it may have previously grazed an atmosphere ala the Gran Teton fireball of the 1960's). And once it becomes a lithified part of the impacted body, it becomes only a xenolithic clast. Easy to understand ;-) On another note, I was wondering what, if any, differences might be expected in the fusion crusts on Martian meteorites (those found on Mars) as compared to meteorites found on Earth? Any one have any ideas? Thanks, Frank - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology? Alan Rubin and I advocated calling all of these things meteorites no matter what body they were found on. Our definition was as follows, quoting from the article: A meteorite is a natural solid object that was transported by natural means from the body on which it formed to a region outside the dominant gravitational influence of that body and was later accreted by a natural body larger than itself. Our exception to this rule is: Meteorites accreting to a body lose their status as individual meteorites if the rocks into which they are incorporated subsequently become meteorites themselves. This means that a CM clast in an H chondrite that fell in Africa is not itself a meteorite... only the H chondrite is. Hadley Rille and Bench Crater ARE meteorites; however, had they been found as clasts in lunar meteorites, they would not be meteorites, and would not be given their own names by the nomenclature committee. Everybody follow this? I thought not. All of these statements are the opinion of just Alan and myself. There are no widely accepted definitions of meteorite. But since nobody else has ever tried to define the word like we did, I guess we get the last word for now. -jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] please please see this
Mohamed, Depending on the locale, it may be a sample of Troctolite or Trout Stone. Found in just a few places, Poland, Scotland, Montana and Oklahoma, USA, Harz/Germany. From the Handbook of Rocks and Minerals Walter Schumann, he describes it to wit: Rare variety of gabbro with light colored plagioclase and olivine as the dark component. The speckle-like olivines are green OR when they occur as sepentine alteration products they are yellow, brownish, reddish, and black. Fortunately Muhamed, your picture is of excellent resolution and color. If anyone else has this book, it's described on page 222, and also has an excellent accompanying picture. I know it sounds a bit silly to try and match up picsbut the likeness is there. Sorry, it doesn't appear lunar. If you want, Muhamed, email me off list and I can scan this picture and send it to you as an email attachment to your Hot Mail address, so you can put them side-by-side, and compare. Best, Steven L. Sachs IMCA #9210 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite or Meteorwrong Display
Dear Listees; As you have recently seen on the list, there is always someone needing more information on meteorwrong and meteorite identification. I have just taken some of my meteorites (meager small things that they are) and some of my beautifully classic meteorwrongs (massive magnetite, 3 pound steam locomotive clinkers, ironized sandstone nodules) and some neat books, Cosmos by Sagan, Rocks From Space, O. Richard Norton, Bob Haag's Catalogue of Meteorites and put them in a very nice display case at the local library. Of the 30 or so rocks in the case, 8 are meteorites, the rest are great examples of close-to-be examples of meteorites. The small contest is to guess the correct number of real meteorites. Prize is a small slice of Gibeon. I will be speaking this coming Tuesday evening at the library about meteorites and even identifying samples that are brought in. The two local newspapers will be running feature articles and even a photo or two. For all of you out there in meteorite land, there is a great deal of inter satisfaction related to giving back to one's community by doing things like this little show and tell display and public meeting. I encourage all who are looking for something to do this winter to get involved...and maybe get a shot at brokering a new meteorite find, or helping out with a new strewnfield documentation...or just letting adults act like kids when they get to hold a real meteorite. It is great fun, and kids have eyes as big as grapefruits when they hold a real meteorite in their hands. Try your favorite library. I spent forty-five minutes and have a better looking and more functional display than the traveling NASA display presently at the same library. Their flier says Meteorites are magnetic So, I have a nice piece of lodestone with some paper clips on it to confuse those lucky meteorite guessers, lots of fun for all. Very best, 71 degrees presently, and clear in Tucson Dave Freeman Apply your mind to at least one problem which has never been solved, which in general is considered impossible of solution, but which, being solved, would help humanity. Do with your life something that has never been done, but which you feel needs doing...Harvey Harlow Nininger __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Meteorite or Meteorwrong Display
David, Sounds like a great way to get out the message. Like most of us, I have done a little meteorite sharing with classrooms, co-workers, and scouts. I always get the feeling that I'm one of just a few people that have a clue about what meteorites are. While popular like never before, the number of people with the general knowledge is very limited. As David said, we are the ones that need to share the information with others. Way to go Dave! John PS Bringing a scope with a polarizer (if not too expensive) can be great way to blow their minds. Or buy a hand held one. - Original Message - From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite collectors association [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Meteorite or Meteorwrong Display Dear Listees; As you have recently seen on the list, there is always someone needing more information on meteorwrong and meteorite identification. I have just taken some of my meteorites (meager small things that they are) and some of my beautifully classic meteorwrongs (massive magnetite, 3 pound steam locomotive clinkers, ironized sandstone nodules) and some neat books, Cosmos by Sagan, Rocks From Space, O. Richard Norton, Bob Haag's Catalogue of Meteorites and put them in a very nice display case at the local library. Of the 30 or so rocks in the case, 8 are meteorites, the rest are great examples of close-to-be examples of meteorites. The small contest is to guess the correct number of real meteorites. Prize is a small slice of Gibeon. I will be speaking this coming Tuesday evening at the library about meteorites and even identifying samples that are brought in. The two local newspapers will be running feature articles and even a photo or two. For all of you out there in meteorite land, there is a great deal of inter satisfaction related to giving back to one's community by doing things like this little show and tell display and public meeting. I encourage all who are looking for something to do this winter to get involved...and maybe get a shot at brokering a new meteorite find, or helping out with a new strewnfield documentation...or just letting adults act like kids when they get to hold a real meteorite. It is great fun, and kids have eyes as big as grapefruits when they hold a real meteorite in their hands. Try your favorite library. I spent forty-five minutes and have a better looking and more functional display than the traveling NASA display presently at the same library. Their flier says Meteorites are magnetic So, I have a nice piece of lodestone with some paper clips on it to confuse those lucky meteorite guessers, lots of fun for all. Very best, 71 degrees presently, and clear in Tucson Dave Freeman Apply your mind to at least one problem which has never been solved, which in general is considered impossible of solution, but which, being solved, would help humanity. Do with your life something that has never been done, but which you feel needs doing...Harvey Harlow Nininger To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Meteorite or Meteorwrong Display New Idea
Greetings listees, Speaking of which, I stumbled across this great website offering a bit of education on meteorwrongs and meteorights. I thought some of you might find some interest in it. If not, please hit the delete key now and pretend this message never arrived. ;-) http://fernlea.tripod.com/found.html G'nite, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Reply to marks letter
Mark and list, Mark wrote; Send me your address and I will send you a couple small meteorites with surface crust Things like this, make me proud to be on this list! Some of the nicest and most generous people I have ever met are on this list! Thank you all! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the I.M.C.A. #6168 From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] please please see this Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:28:05 -0600 Hello Mohamed, It appears to me that you are looking too hard for meteorites. You have shown as many or more, hopeful lunars and rare types then chondrites. As others have suggested try looking for smaller stones and chondrites. If I remember right you mentioned you are in Oman. Send me your address and I will send you a couple small meteorites with surface crust.or I guess desert vanish.you are likely to find in that region. Every now and then take the meteories and throw them on the ground and look at them. As with fossils, minerals and all things I imagine. Meteorites in the field will be somewhat different to your eye then meteorites in books. This will help train your eyes. Other then that keep at it. You are going to find a meteorite if you keep it up, start looking for smaller meteorites and you are likely to find a lot of them. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas (hoping for a local Starshine 3 reentry.missed the Russian rocket last year.errr) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Genuine meteorite?
Does anybody have any information on the Genuine meteorite from Japan?It's not in my information. Just curious... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2153745214category=3239 John (:}
Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology?
I always thought that if it was in space it was called a meteoroid. When it hit the atmosphere , it was called a meteor. When it hit the ground, it was called a meteorite. Rosie - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology? Frank, etc., Nope. You didn't understand all of what I said. The first part is right: we don't care if there was a meteor or whether the body doing the accreting had no atmosphere. Once the impactor survives landing, it becomes a meteorite. If it becomes incorporated into a rock as a xenolith, it is still a meteorite (e.g., Brunflo and the Osterplana fossil meteorites found in earth rocks, and). BUT, if the rock containing the clast itself becomes a meteorite by being ejected from its parent body and landing somewhere else, then the clast is no longer a meteorite... it's just a clast in a meteorite. We had to adopt this complex rule because otherwise we'd have to give a meteorite name to every asteroidal xenolith found in an asteroidal meteorite. The second part of your question should have been phrased: On another note, I was wondering what, if any, differences might be expected in the fusion crusts on meteorites found on Mars as compared to meteorites found on Earth? (remember, the former are NOT martian meteorites). My answer is, I don't know. jeff At 04:32 PM 1/15/2003, you wrote: Hi Jeff and all, In other words, if I correctly understand this, on another moon, asteroid or airless planet, the part of a meteoroid that survives impact on another body becomes a meteorite without an intervening meteor stage; (unless of course, it may have previously grazed an atmosphere ala the Gran Teton fireball of the 1960's). And once it becomes a lithified part of the impacted body, it becomes only a xenolithic clast. Easy to understand ;-) On another note, I was wondering what, if any, differences might be expected in the fusion crusts on Martian meteorites (those found on Mars) as compared to meteorites found on Earth? Any one have any ideas? Thanks, Frank - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology? Alan Rubin and I advocated calling all of these things meteorites no matter what body they were found on. Our definition was as follows, quoting from the article: A meteorite is a natural solid object that was transported by natural means from the body on which it formed to a region outside the dominant gravitational influence of that body and was later accreted by a natural body larger than itself. Our exception to this rule is: Meteorites accreting to a body lose their status as individual meteorites if the rocks into which they are incorporated subsequently become meteorites themselves. This means that a CM clast in an H chondrite that fell in Africa is not itself a meteorite... only the H chondrite is. Hadley Rille and Bench Crater ARE meteorites; however, had they been found as clasts in lunar meteorites, they would not be meteorites, and would not be given their own names by the nomenclature committee. Everybody follow this? I thought not. All of these statements are the opinion of just Alan and myself. There are no widely accepted definitions of meteorite. But since nobody else has ever tried to define the word like we did, I guess we get the last word for now. -jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Meteorite or Meteorwrong Display New Idea
Rhett, Dave, and Listees, Who says lightning doesn't strike twice? What really great ideas! I'll support both in any way I can. Rhett you can sign me up! Dave, you wrote: I spent forty-five minutes and have a better looking and more functional display than the traveling NASA display presently at the same library. Perhaps you could share your display design with us? I would want to feel safe about my meteorites... Thanks Guys, Ken Newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mepage.html Meteor-Wrong Central Rhett Bourland wrote: Hello Dave and everyone else, I find it interesting that you should bring something like this up tonight Dave. Normally, when I get a new idea for the IMCA I usually run it by the directors before throwing it out to the membership but I have a feeling that they won't mind on this one. When I got home from work tonighting I had a letter from the museum in Evansville, IN (my old hometown from a month or so ago) thanking me for letting them borrow some meteorites for a display and an email from a reporter from Financial Times asking about meteorites. I know many of us are involved in educating the public and/or will loan out pieces of our collection from time to time and I think such actions are absolutely wonderful!!! An idea that I thought of tonight is creating a new section on the IMCA website that will basically list members that would be happy to talk to the public about meteorites (whether it be a school, group, or possibly even news media) or loan pieces from your collection to libraries or museums. Included with that would be the corner of the world that you would be willing to visit to speak or deliver your precious rocks. Such an idea, if it works the way I'm envisioning, could be invaluable in educating the public about meteorites. Imagine how meteorites Ninninger could have found if he was part of a team of people working together around the world talking to non-meteorite enthusiasts about the wonders that occasionaly fall from the sky! Also, this could serve as a way to help distribute information to the public by local residents. What do you all think? Would you like to be a part of this? Please, if you have any thoughts or ideas about this then let's discuss them among us all and if you would like to sign up then let me know. Thanks and best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: David Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:57 PM To: meteorite collectors association; meteorite-list Subject: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Meteorite or Meteorwrong Display Dear Listees; As you have recently seen on the list, there is always someone needing more information on meteorwrong and meteorite identification. I have just taken some of my meteorites (meager small things that they are) and some of my beautifully classic meteorwrongs (massive magnetite, 3 pound steam locomotive clinkers, ironized sandstone nodules) and some neat books, Cosmos by Sagan, Rocks From Space, O. Richard Norton, Bob Haag's Catalogue of Meteorites and put them in a very nice display case at the local library. Of the 30 or so rocks in the case, 8 are meteorites, the rest are great examples of close-to-be examples of meteorites. The small contest is to guess the correct number of real meteorites. Prize is a small slice of Gibeon. I will be speaking this coming Tuesday evening at the library about meteorites and even identifying samples that are brought in. The two local newspapers will be running feature articles and even a photo or two. For all of you out there in meteorite land, there is a great deal of inter satisfaction related to giving back to one's community by doing things like this little show and tell display and public meeting. I encourage all who are looking for something to do this winter to get involved...and maybe get a shot at brokering a new meteorite find, or helping out with a new strewnfield documentation...or just letting adults act like kids when they get to hold a real meteorite. It is great fun, and kids have eyes as big as grapefruits when they hold a real meteorite in their hands. Try your favorite library. I spent forty-five minutes and have a better looking and more functional display than the traveling NASA display presently at the same library. Their flier says Meteorites are magnetic So, I have a nice piece of lodestone with some paper clips on it to confuse those lucky meteorite guessers, lots of fun for all. Very best, 71 degrees presently, and clear in Tucson Dave Freeman Apply your mind to at least one problem which has never been solved, which in general is considered impossible of solution, but which, being solved, would help humanity. Do with your life something that has never been done, but which you feel needs doing...Harvey Harlow
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Meteorite or Meteor...
In a message dated 1/15/2003 10:00:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking of which, I "stumbled" across this great website offering a bit of education on meteorwrongs and meteorights. I thought some of you might find some interest in it. If not, please hit the delete key now and pretend this message never arrived. ;-) http://fernlea.tripod.com/found.html Are we supposed to delete your message or the site? :-) Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] My secret iron meteorite book
Hi list, As a newbie myself, I thought I'd contribute something substanial to answer a request for a less expensive book on iron meteorites. I found this book years ago for a quarterin K-mart book clearance bin. I bought two. Now I wish I bought a dozen. Don't let the lack of the word Meteorite in the title fool you. This is a must have book: "Geochemistry of Germanium" edited by Jon N. Weber. The Pennsylvania State University 466pp. c.1973. ISBN 0-87933-058-9. This is a collection of scientific articles including ten papers (148pp.) on germanium in meteorites, tektites and lunar material. Many of these by J.T. Wasson of UCLA including pivotal workson the chemical classification of Iron meteorites by germanium and gallium, nickle, iridium, etc. concentration. Loads of meteorite tables,graphs and anot tooa few b.w. etched meteorite photos.The non-meteoric parts of this book sizzle too (if you're into germanium.) The meteoritic part is so much more than about germanium and explains, among other things, in detail what the iron meteorite classifications are about, indeed it is a reprint ofa primary text on this subject. I've seen several copies of this book listed on abebooks.com, typically about $35 used. My extra copy is not for sale, though I may consider a trade for a slice of the Owens Valley iron. Howard Wu Bishop,CAWith Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs
