Hi Group!
I ran across this one on eBay today :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=350119620351
Something about it doesn't ring true.
There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the listing.
Is this for real or some highly-misinformed individual?
Regards,
MikeG
Greetings all
I have a few auctions closing shortly including
Martian shergotite individuals currently less than $60/gm
Allende 18 gram piece with large CAI at $3.65/gm
Covert 29 grams with nice veining $1/gm
Camel donga currently at $2/gm
CR2 Dhofar 1432 at $0.50/gm
very large 27 gram
Hi Mike - I concur, the whole picture looks strange to me. A 5 ton lunar
meteorite in one piece? Where were the O2 analyses done? There are only a
few trustworthy labs that can do O2 analyses. In any case, I don't think the
reported O2 data are that discriminating between lunar and terrestrial.
doesn´t this lunar have a name, with all this classification done???
Stefan the lunatic
Hi Group!
I ran across this one on eBay today :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=350119620351
Something about it doesn't ring true.
There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:06:36 -0700, you wrote:
Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, but it doesn't quack like a duck.
A rule of thumb I have for anything is-- if it writes like a duck, it probably
should be avoided. And that auction description is written as a duck had wrote
it-- meaning
Yes - it has a name - Asphalt 001.
Mitch is back... same old charts, different rocks.
1.) Found by Starchasers Meteorites August 2005, ILLinois USA
2.) Classified by Starchasers Meteorite Curator Mitchell R. Minor
3.) Starchasers Meteorites is the Sole supplier for this Illinois USA Lunar
I recieved a sample of his Lunar for me to have tested - I told him I would
buy it after I had it tested it IS NOT LUNAR.
I even forwarded my test results to ebay who keeps allowing the clown to list
it. Ebay is downright dirty and is boardering of contributing to fraud and this
guys
Hi All
This guy has been mentioned several times on the list and is a well
known scam artist. In fact he is so well know Randy Korotev has give
him his own page;
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m239.htm
It is too bad some one possibly bought a piece of his garbage;
Hola,
This fellow's been selling complete crap for the past year or so.
Terrestrial slag as a new plessitic octahedrite, Campo del Cielo's
as Canyon Diablo's (a difference of $200-250/kg in value), and bits of
terrestrial metamorphic/igneous crap (see the link) as lunar material.
He's repeatedly
I have come across some very interesting material I would like to get formally
classified.
can anyone point me in the right direction for doing this?
I have had testing done on it and so far, it seems to be an LL3 with
mesosiderite inclusions.
How would I go about submitting it?
Images of the
Yes. So might msg, tsp, Dmso, and white vinegar. depending on a lot of
conditions. Anything with HCL or flourine should be avoided, as well as
Sulfuric acid.
Steve
P.S. But Don't clean them! they are like coins!
--- On Sun, 11/2/08, mckinney trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From:
Removing staining may give a meteorite a better visual appearance, but like
with a valuable coin will remove valuable information. like age , original
chemistry and possibly fusion crust.
If you had a proof silver dollar from 1860 would you soak it in oxalic acid
to make it look better?
..Or you can just purchase one that doesn't require any cleaning ; )
I have a lovely 212g individual complete with regmaglyps, glossy black fusion
crust, and just enough staining, which adds to it's aesthetic qualities. $3180,
OBO. Looking to make a quick sale on this one.
Please email for
just bought millb. on ebay for $5/g (red clay inc.).
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, RJP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: RJP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Millbillillie (AD)
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:31 PM
..Or you can just
The junk was a tank full of ammonia coolant on the international space
station that was no longer needed. Astronaut Clayton Anderson threw it
overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
Space station program manager Mike Suffredini said Monday that the debris
splashed down somewhere between
Yeah.. I'm sure you did. Was it a broken weathered fragment or just a chunk of
red clay?
And I don't appreciate you responding to my AD through the list. Everyone knows
that you obviously purchased a far lesser grade of meteorite than the one I
have to offer. $5 per gram? C'mon now. Honestly.
I wouldn't mind if it landed on my property - right onto Ebay!
Cheers,
Pete
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:41:27 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
The junk was a tank full of ammonia
Hi Greg-
It is inaccurate to say that this object splashed down. In fact, much of
it burned away during reentry, leaving much smaller debris. It would seem
extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left by the time pieces hit the
water. So there was only a bit of scrap metal, probably nothing
Actually, fish and marine life have a better chance of dying from getting
hit on the head with stainless steel debris than the ammonia coolant. The
coolant was vaporized during re-entry. Besides, I rather toss the tank into
decay (with the flick of a finger!) than spend 10 million bringing it back
If that is the case, why was such a big deal made about not going anywhere near
the debris if it had impacted on land becouse of toxic hazards?
I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the same time, I dont think that
is right to do also.
Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:41:27 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
Ammonia is highly toxic to marine life!
Yep, ammonia isn't good for fish. Which is why they are constantly dumping it
out of their bodies-- into the water. If some of the ammonia happened to make
it to the surface of the ocean, for a few
I don't think the taxpayers would be to happy to hear NASA spent millions of
dollars to remove a piece of space junk. Letting it enter back into the
atmoshphere is the safe and cheapest way to go. Of course we could just let it
stay up there and add to the many pieces of space junk already
take your pick:
http://news.aol.com/article/space-station-trash-plunging-to-earth/234755?icid=200100397x1212231854x1200798183
http://www.space.com/aol/081031-space-station-debris-reentry.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/07/19/spacejunk_spa.html
just a few links about it.
--- On Mon,
why could they not have returned it to earth on a shuttle that was going to be
returning to earth anyway?
No extra cost involved there.
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Del Waterbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Del Waterbury [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life -
Hi Greg-
This thing was, in fact, deliberately discarded with the knowledge that it
would reenter. It posed no risk to anything else because it was large enough
to track, in a known orbit, and was sure to have a short lifetime in space.
It had no potential to produce any additional debris.
It is the first thing I was aware of, until reading more about it.
I know what ifs are really meaningless, however... if it had landed on a school
full of kids, Im sure the cost of returning to earth would have been very cheap
compared to the loss of life.
If it had impacted on a house or other
Hello Greg,
Where do you read that an astronaut, ..threw it (ammonia tank) overboard
(from the International Space Station) during a space walk in July 2007.? I
find it highly unlikely that material would be purposely tossed into space
to potentially be a floating target for future spacecraft
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held criminaly
liable for the polution of our waters?...snip
Yeppers!!!---I'd sure hope you are the only one...(((rolling eyes))). I think
this post should be nominated for the Emily
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:06:38 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
If that is the case, why was such a big deal made about not going anywhere
near the debris if it had impacted on land becouse of toxic hazards?
1. The hazards imagined for land debris are things like nitrogen tetraoxide and
other potentially
Hi, Greg, Chris, All,
Ecological impact is likely a true zero. We don't
even know if ANY piece of the tank made it to ground
or not. Odds are against.
But I want to quibble with this:
ships are scuttled all the time, along with thousands
every year that are simply lost at sea.
Hi Chris,
Thank you for replying in a short and easy way to describe the objects size
being trackable. I won't begin to pretend to know about these things. The
initial comment seemed like as hip-shot and I didn't think NASA or the
astronaut deserved it.
Best regards,
Greg
Greg, my full respect for your cares about the environment. But I doubt that
any ammonia reached the lower atmosphere.
Besides, if there is one gouvernment outfit that has had a major positive
impact on environmental protection in the past then its NASA.
Svend
www.meteorite-recon.com
This would require a new mission plan and millions of dollars in training
exercises and mock-ups. The tank weighs 1400 lbs and it would have to be
brought in the payload bay. A system would have to be designed and installed
to hold the tank. I forget the figure, but there is a cost per pound in
no hip shot was intended. I was basing my opinions on reports I have read
concerning this and as I have said before, I am not as experienced at these
things as some of you are and the reports I read made it out to be a major
health risk to people if it was a land impact.
that said, I figured
There is established international law dealing with legal liability for
damage or injury caused by space debris reaching the ground. All space
missions (in the U.S., at least) consider the likelihood of material
surviving reentry. It's a question of statistics, and the chance of damage
is
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:34:51 -0600, you wrote:
The world is not a gigantic video game of utter
destruction. The current lost rate is five per thousand
ships. That amounts to about 300 ships a year. And the
term lost includes all causes of being removed from
service.
On the other hand, there
Steve#3 wrote:
[not] Anything with HCL or flourine
Harlan wrote:
oxaclic acid work like is does when removing red clay stains form
quartz crystals?
Hi Friends,
Just a few thoughts:
Oxalic acid will probably clean some meteoritical residue off any
quartz crystals you can find in meteorites.
G'Day Greg and all
I thought I read that the tank was not stable enough to stand a trip back in
the shuttle and could pose a risk to the shuttle and crew.
Cheers Johnno
- Original Message -
From: Greg Catterton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Del Waterbury [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Hi Chris, Listees,
It isn't a shade of illegal dumping at issue as far as I can tell.
The possibly crass accusations that stated this thread might consider
that transporting the old tank in a Space Shuttle back to earth would
present a far greater danger to occupants and American residents in
The possibly crass accusations that stated this thread...
I take it as a simple misunderstanding, perhaps a reasonable one given the
way things like this are covered in the popular press. The replies were
reasonable and friendly, as was Greg's response. Nice to see... civility is
sometimes
so long as it does not leave a sheen, the coast guard, won't care.
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date:
I will state again, from the reports I read, it was supposed to pose a serious
health risk to anyone who would have come into contact with it had there been a
land impact... that said, I assumed that the same would be for marine life.
I felt that if that was the case, it was very reckless of
Can we take this to a NASA or SPACE JUNK list. This has nothing to do with
meteorites, though interesting, has run its coarse and filled my inbox.
Michael Farmer
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Greg Catterton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
Hello Jerry list,
the lectures of the Paneth-Colloquium were very interesting. But many of them
were very difficult to understand, due to the complex and many different
isotopes examinations.
For your interest please download the list of all abstracts and contact the
autor for further
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:28:08 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
I may not have fully understood the issue, but I do feel some comments
directed to me were very insulting.
Oh, they're just in the tank for ammonia.
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Hi all,
I have been receiving multiple emails from one
[EMAIL PROTECTED]. These emails consist of offensive
And often racist political fear focused propaganda.
I have written this person asking who they are and
Have gotten no response - the act of a coward in my book.
I was
No problem Greg C. Ironically, I just posted based on the posts
(press!) your reply got on the list, and of course qualified it by
calling it possible so as to report rather than inject my opinion.
Had not yet seen your recent clarification in the flurry of responses.
NASA has done some
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:28:52 -0800, you wrote:
Hi all,
I have been receiving multiple emails from one
[EMAIL PROTECTED]. These emails consist of offensive
And often racist political fear focused propaganda.
I have written this person asking who they are and
Have gotten no response
I think it's worth pointing out that this object would not pose a collision
risk to anything in space. It would orbit in the vicinity of the ISS while it's
altitude slowly decayed. Remember of course that the ISS needs its orbit
boosing periodically to prevent it from suffering the same fate.
Thanks to all those who contacted me,
I phoned the guy and believe I will no longer
Be receiving his propaganda posts.
Thanks for the help.
Have a good and SANE voting day.
Best wishes, Michael
on 11/3/08 2:28 PM, Michael L Blood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
Detective Garrison, please report for duty!
Google's spooky.
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From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
if you need this deep south meteorite, here is a NICE piece, PRICED RIGHT!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290272624837ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123
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Good question Steve,
I favor the rate remaining the same scenario. The experiments you suggest have
effectively been done that enrich the given mutations in white mice and
bacteria strains. Only most forced mutation experiments kill off a whole lot of
test subjects and take human lifetimes to
11 years ago when i started this hobby with jerry armstrong ANYTHING cool was
$100/g to start and pallasites were small and very expensive. now i can get
pieces of vesta for $5/g and pallasites by the pound under under $1,000 for a
whole rock! what i smokin' time 2 b in the hobby!
Back in 2005 Ted Bunch confirmed this specimen as a 100% meteorite, and he was
suppose to classify this meteorite, and publish it. I waited 9 months for
classification but Ted never completed it. Since then many tests have been
completed to support my classification for this Lunar meteorite
Hi list.I will be brief.I am looking for a few sikote-alins with holes.Outside
of the certain person I am dealing with on this matter,I am looking for a few
more.Please offlist with pics,sizes,and
Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/
Hi All,
My new meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a tv program or
film many years back. Anyone else seen this or remember something
similar? I just can't recall where I've seen it and yet it seems so
familiar...it's been bugging me ever since I saw it.
see here
test
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Bull shit! My opinion at that time is consistent with what I stated today.
See the following e-mail to Minor dated 1/23/07.
Find another way to con money!
Ted
On 11/3/08 5:17 PM, Patricia Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Back in 2005 Ted Bunch confirmed this specimen as a 100% meteorite, and
Looks like Van Gogh, the SCREAM
Tom
In a message dated 11/3/2008 5:49:06 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi All,
My new meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a tv program or
film many years back. Anyone else seen this or remember something
similar? I just
If you are mitch minor, then you know very well that this IS NOT lunar material.
I forwarded you test results from the material you sent me, which proved to be
FAKE lunar material.
I also contact the testing placves you provided that also basicly said you were
full of it and would not accept
Whoops! But don't you think it looks like the Scream???
Thanks to all for setting me straight.
Tom
In a message dated 11/3/2008 6:38:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
yes, but it's munch---not van gogh.
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This is NOT true at all!!!
I was approached by Mitch Minor quite some time ago to purchase some of his
pieces. I knew they were clearly not meteorites but he insisted Ted had said
they were. On chatting to Ted he said this was not the case at all and that
all the specimens he'd been sent were
Mitch, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. We would like to SEE
the proof and I would like the following conflicts resolved to win me over. You
could foreclose all the nay saying and skeptics by resolving the following
conflicts:
Six+ conflicts in your claims for the Illinois
Hello List Members,
I hope everyone is having a Great week!
I have a very nice Estherville 31.0 grams Mesosiderite with beautiful
metal and a matrix of olivine
that ends this Sunday November 9, at 19:20:09 pm Pacific time.
It comes with a great looking membrane clear display
Here's an appropriate news item:
http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3newsid=43452
http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3newsid=43452
Best,
Pete
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:14:15 -0800
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