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Would span class=date-published2007/span be acceptable, or
should we insist on the full ISO date?
I thought that both 2007 and 2007-01 were valid ISO dates...
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Do I add microformat markup to index pages or to detail pages that
provide more detail or both?
See recent discussion:
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To help others interested in using the include-pattern, I've created:
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Please feel free to add examples of good practice (and examples of pages
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2, BBC One, BBC Two, etc.)
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(or possibly other such object); as such, it
would be no less visible.
See also this discussion of pavatar as a microformat:
http://pavatar.com/forum/forum_entry.php?id=13
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updated the straw-man proposal, accordingly.
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/span
then compare, on another site:
span class=vcard
a class=fn url href=http://example.com/Fred;Fred\a
/span
with:
a class=pavatar
href=http://example.com/Fred-avatar.png;Fred's avatr\a
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with the same people's full hCards, or for third
party details where the author (the me) isn't the subject.
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. The target of
the url property:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/
has a more complete (canonical, if you will) hCard for the Club, with
postal contact details.
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KingRyan/abbr
/a
/address
not only resolves your 'mismatched-fn' concern, but is also more
semantically meaningful.
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In the case where a particular time isn't given, I think it's alright
for it to simply default to midnight of those days.
or to 23:59:59!
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is the parent hCard of known
child hCards?
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, or
what they have been doing during the day, so it would be interesting to
better formalize this information...
[the original message hasn't arrived here]
The Register did this much better, years ago:
http://www.theregister.com/2001/02/01/the_color_of_irony/
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need fixing.
I see you formerly worked for PayPal. Do you have any contacts there,
who may be interested in adding, say, hCard?
Please see also' eBay', under:
http://microformats.org/wiki/advocacy#Various
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The last This Week in Microformats was dated 17 December 2006 (over a
month ago).
Will there be another? Is some assistance in compiling it needed?
In the interim, I've noted some possible items for inclusion, at:
http://microformats.org/wiki/this-week-pending
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to discuss the use of uFs on Wikipedia (and other WikiMedia products)
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for Persondata:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Persondata
and, eventually, to add species markup to Taxoboxes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Taxobox
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in certain territories, what
efforts have been made to check that, say, hfeed doesn't mean, say,
menu in some language or other?
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we gauge wider support for this addition? Any problems from anyone?
me self can't be anything but tautological; nor is it appropriate when
referring to third parties. so:
-1
but isn't this sort of voting better done on the wiki than in a mailing
list?
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profile, and do so correctly?
I've created http://microformats.org/wiki/profile-examples-in-wild to
collect examples.
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likely to
be aware of language of an issue, or to be working on second languages?
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use hreflang:
cite
a href=www.ad.nl/ hreflang=nlAlgemeen Dagblad/a
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/a about
it).
How would you differentiate between something written *about*
sky-diving, and one written *while*, er, sky-diving?
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been a cornerstone of the proposal
This is similar to the way in
which hCard has a rich vocabulary, but can still be very simple.
Likewise!
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suggested, would be
interpreted (or at least implied) by some parsers as tagging the subject
of the page as deceased.
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what if someone registers ben-ward.net and puts up a fake
card on that site.
Perhaps we need a class=pgp-public-key property for hCard?
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- We only have two examples of pages marking up the language on the
web - W3C and Amazon.com
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This is an example in the wild.
http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/SVS/personnel/henrich/index.php
I wonder what an aural browser/ screen reader would make of that...
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from the hCite straw format?)
I still don't think that that are anywhere near enough examples,
especially of non-English-language sources, to be confident that it's
not widely used.
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less strict
detailed) hCard may be somethign that is very useful.
I think you just answered your own question.
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their own tag spaces) are (or should be) willing to litter their pages
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I've yet to see any justification for that assumption.
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code into which
such data goes.
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I do:
abbr class=country-name title=UKUnited Kingdom/abbr
when I want a country code.
That looks like abuse of the abbr tag, to me.
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to which I'll be adding further examples over the next week or two.
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http://exmaple.com/siteinfo.xml
http://exmaple.com/sitemap.xml
all the above in use on http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/.
http://mysite.foo/
Please use http://example.com; for example URLs - it's specifically
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User agents could also be told not to confuse it with the third of May.
The same goes for telephone numbers (currently only available inside
larger microformats), and the proposed currency microformat.
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What properties should it have there?
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which is an abomination (and an accessibility disaster) which I have
vowed ever to use on web pages under my control.
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I couldn't find an example of microformats used in SVG, so I made one
http://dannyayers.com/misc/microformats/hcard-svg
Interestingly, operator doesn't detect that (neither does Tails)
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Has anyone here heard of it, evaluated it or have an opinion on it?
I think there should be a page on the Wiki where such initiatives are
listed, and, if appropriate, critiqued.
I have no confidence that such a page would be allowed.
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Andy Mabbett suggested a class of dtstamp which comes closer to what
I intend, but the iCalendar property DTSTAMP is specifically meant to
indicate when an iCalendar object was created, which is not the case
here.
Fair
interest on all, microformats.
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Téléc.: (514) 123-4568
You might use:
abbr class=type title=voiceTelabbr
abbr class=type title=faxFaxabbr
and:
abbr class=type title=voiceTélabbr
abbr class=type title=faxTélécabbr
Though there are concerns that that's an abuse of abbr.
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that it's currently accepted for non-English
content, as in the above example; or clarify those sufficient grounds
for its use in such cases, please?
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[...]
That's incorrect according to the pretences of Wikipedia's
administrators; not by any other authority.
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It will change according to the vCard standard.
It seems very unlikely that vcard will change at all; it could well be,
that if and when it finally does, it needs to follow any future hCard
developments, because the alter may well have a greater number of
implementations and published examples.
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that might benefit. A semantically marked-up
date can be presented according to the users preferences. Given
2007-03-04, you might prefer to see March 4th 2007, where I prefer 4
March 2007 (see, for comparison, the user setting for dates in
Wikipedia).
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this could not be an extension of Geo.
Note also:
http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-extension-strawman
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. Such a uF could then be used as a component of any
number of other formats.
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How many is a sufficiently wide variety? The 'process' doesn't give
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...there are concerns that that's an abuse of abbr.
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is being used in a particular way in the case
of microformats does not mean that it is not an abuse of what was
originally intended by the relevant HTML standard.
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Assuming 'Téléc' means something like 'fax', I'd do it like this:
I've started a wiki page on issues around internationalisation:
http://microformats.org/wiki/internationalisation
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itself was a good thing, but that may have
been either desirable nor possible.
Furthermore, if people subscribe to the resultant feed, they don't even
get to see the author details!
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raised here.
Can anyone say which is correct, please?
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/tr
Okhaldhunga is a place (locality) and Nepal, obviously, the
country-name. Visitor Center will be the fn org.
The URLs are to maps, and need not be marked-up in the hCard.
Given that the only place class=vcard can go is the tr, where can I
put class=adr?
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abbr class=type title=faxTéléc/abbr.:
span class=value(514) 123-4568/span
A further thought - this wouldn't be an issue, if we had separate
classes, rather than one class and several types, thus:
span class=tel
How would folks mark up an hCard for the singer Alvin Stardust, born
Bernard William Jewry, also known under the stage name Shane Fenton?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Stardust
With two nicknames? If so, which way round?
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, so that :
a href=http:// people.opera.com/howcome/2006/phd/
class=urlhttp:// people.opera.com/howcome/2006/phd//a
becomes:
a href=... class=url.../a
Thank you.
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Andy Mabbett wrote:
Given that the only place class=vcard can go is the tr, where can I
put class=adr?
If you have to stick to using tables (ugh), you can nest them together.
I don't - but then, it's not my website
to be a
sledgehammer, to crack this particular nut (the URL of which I'm not at
liberty to divulge - I'll ask if I may).
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*AddressFix http://www.addressfix.com/ will now take and valid
US postal address converted, within one day of request being
submitted. They'll do other countries, as and when Google adds
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) the same one.
Also, if people have contacts in the larger, effectively uncontactable
organisations (Google IMDb, large multinationals, etc.) the should, if
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I've been reading Wikipedia's articles and policies on citation, and it
uses both; -published chiefly for books and journal articles; -accessed
for citing external web pages.
(Start at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite_sources)
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(top right) in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barr
link to:
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?params=52.54833_N_1.93212_W_region:GB_source:enwiki-osgb36(SP047945)
the latter now has a Geo microformat.
Work to add Geo to the individual articles is ongoing.
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I've just added:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AGeoTemplatediff=119003866oldid=118216477
Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate:
Work to add Geo to the individual articles is ongoing.
The later is now done
and competing uses, including parsing of the raw wiki text. There is
hidden metadata, metadata entered twice, for different purposes, and
metadata entered with no formatting or sub-division (names, addresses,
etc.).
See:
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or an ORG, from what I can tell.
You can use adr as a stand-alone uF; then you won't need to worry
about the fn/org.
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be seen...
Indeed; the punctuation is there so that the coordinates will make sense
if CSS is disabled/ unavailable/ overridden (the latter might be the
case if a user prefers a decimal display, rather than DMS, for
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Would you help me understand how the geo Microformat gets automatically
injected into a Wikipedia page?
Firstly, the change has unfortunately had to be reverted, as it caused
problems for a script which uses the raw wiki text
I've managed to get Jean-Guilhem Rouel, the W3C's webmaster, no less, to
use hCard:
http://www.w3.org/People/Jean-Gui/
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I've just added
Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GeoTemplate
likewise the German edition, for example:
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?language=deparams
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I've just added
Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GeoTemplate
likewise the German edition,
And now the place-articles
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Anyone interested in work-in-progress can see it at :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord
which includes live versions.
The first large-scale deployment of the new version of that template is
at:
http
,
span class=longitude-1.417/span/span
span class=geo-multi-punct)/span
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On 4/9/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is geo still a draft, when it's included in the already-published
hCard spec?
It's the idea of pulling the GEO out of hCard and making it usable on
its own that is a draft
] output the content of that adr as a single
vCard [output-field] field.
Please express you opinions at:
http://microformats.org/wiki/adr-poll
where I have set up a straw-poll page for your convenience.
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http://microformats.org/wiki/process#Specifications
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discussion.
Is it part of the spec for hCard, hCalendar, or any other microformats?
Which parsers are using it, and for which microformats?
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?
It's a proposed addition, but it's been low priority, because there
hasn't been much demand for it.
...perhaps that's because no-one knows about it; because it's not
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Further to discussion at:
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it is proposed to amend the adr spec, and the corresponding part
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On 4/9/07, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/9/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I contend that hAtom satisfies the requirements at:
http://microformats.org/wiki/process#Specifications
and should
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
and there's a new implementation:
And another: GIS-Wiki's hjl_getCoor:
http://www.giswiki.org/hjl_get_CoorE.htm
now outputs Geo markup, from a Google Maps API.
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://microformats.org/wiki/currency and the pages listed
at the foot of that one.
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-terrestrial_bodies
(aka http://tinyurl.com/22umc8;
link will die as page is archived )
Please feel free to contribute.
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? It's not possible to mark up
given- and family- names, as this is template generated, and the
granularity cannot be guaranteed.
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* Are you
.
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