JTK wrote:
Travis Crump wrote:
[snip evidence of a bug in IE]
Huh, that's odd.
How is that odd. We keep pointing out that IE's standards compliance
sucks, and yet you are still surprised?
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the commie
graphics removed.
You realise it's coming back as soon as the bugs are fixed right?
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be bothered to look up
your surname again. But that doesn't matter, this is just a casual
internet correspondance.
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JTK wrote:
Lynx doesn't have commie graphics slathered about trying to make
some sort of sophomoric statement.
Lynx is a text mode browser; it doesn't have _any_ graphics.
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JTK wrote:
I start complaining to the AOL community about the
sheer silliness of AOLzilla not having functionality that even
*Notepad*, *NOTEPAD*, has had for years, and then all of a sudden
something gets done about it.
Your arrogance knows no bounds, does it, Mr Van.
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JTK wrote:
Trolling wrote:
[...]
[...]
LOL! JTK replying to a troll! Now that's classic.
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JTK wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
Google hits for Mozilla on the web: 3,970,000
99.44% of which begin: Why is Mozilla so slow/not 1.0 yet/not really
Open/crashing on me all the time/a commie sympathizer/showing me CNN
from a week ago/etc/etc/etc?
Unfounded statistic alert!
Google hits
Chris Hoess wrote:
Nooo! XBL kills babies! It must be stopped! Won't somebody think
of the chiildren?
That bug was fixed. Now it only maims them.
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psuedo-code.
I'm apparently getting on Hixie's nerves
Oh quite the opposite, I merely use this newsgroup as a stress reliever.
The journey of a thousand excuses begins with a single bitch.
Well then you must have gone down that path a lot, Mr. Van Sickle.
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JTK wrote:
I bet even AOL themselves get more hits from IE ... than from Mozilla.
That's a pretty safe bet since the AOL client is IE.
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JTK wrote:
Mozilla contiues to be a non-entity as far as the web is concerned
Google hits for Mozilla on the web: 3,970,000
Google hits for Internet Explorer on the web: 3,460,000
Non-entity indeed.
(Nice spelling by the way. Do you have to take lessons, or does it come
naturally?)
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JTK wrote:
Oh, I also got some motion happening on relicensing with my Licensing
Statistics posts.
Didn't last long, did it? Did you find it too much effort?
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DeMoN LaG wrote:
IE does not have nightly versions
Don't be ridiculous. Microsoft have internal daily test releases just
like Mozilla does. It's standard practice in the industry.
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() from server cvs-mirror.mozilla.org:
Connection reset by peer
Bug 109611.
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of monopolistic corporations who are out to make
money than it would be to change the policy of their own representative
government(s) whose sole purpose is to uphold their freedoms.
Maybe said people should consider the implications of this.
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in the context of a piece of software that browses web sites on a PC.
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Kent Perrier wrote:
Because even people can spell make misteaks from time to time.
An automated spell checker will catch them.
I guess we'll need a grammar checker too then...
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Cheers,
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want to use it as GPL (since LGPL
allows you to assume the license is the GPL, but requires that you
change every file in the tree to say so).
See also: http://www.fsf.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Ben Bucksch wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
The LGPL would also prevent anyone from building Mozilla using MSVC++,
since the MSVC++ redistributables license disallows reverse
engineering, and the LGPL requires that that be allowed.
There're tons of (L)GPLed projects using
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Ben Bucksch wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Ben Bucksch wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
Is there a need (real or perceived) for Mozilla code to be
distributable as an LGPL library?
Yes, for the same reason as to use it under GPL terms: In order to use
of nsCSSRendering.cpp, into
an LGPL library, though, is not allowed, since the MPL doesn't grant you
the right to change your license, and the LGPL requires the library to be
under one license, the LGPL.
(IANAL, I am merely trying to apply logic to the text of the licenses...)
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Frank Hecker wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
Why do we care about LGPL projects and not, say, projects using the
original BSD license, the Apache license, the Zope license, the IBM public
license, the Qt public license, the Sun Industry Standards Source License,
etc, etc, etc
in many embedding situations
(such as OEone) that use Linux instead of Windows as the OS, it turns out
your estimate of the other platforms' market share is, how to put it, a
little too low.
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Is there any way you could set up your script to tell us which are the new
files? It would be very interesting to find out which files are being
added under the NPL, whether the author works for Netscape, or if it is a
copy-paste issue, or whatever.
Thanks!
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is to use a batch file which does this:
cvs co mozilla/client.mak
nmake -f client.mak pull_all
A copy of the batch file I use is at:
http://www.damowmow.com/mozilla/compile-mozilla.bat
HTH,
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hired by AOL.
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of this is particularly likely to happen...
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, the AIM client.
AOL wants to make money, it's a business. If it didn't make money from
the Mozilla source code, it wouldn't be funding its development. The
GPL would prevent it from being able to make money. That's why AOL
doesn't use the GPL, as much as I would like it to.
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http://www.fsf.org/licenses/why-assign.html
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, JTK wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Frank Hecker wrote:
JTK wrote:
So what happens when somebody needs to be taken to court for
infringing on the license? Who's the plaintiff?
The copyright holder for the code which is the subject
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, JTK wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
The MPL _is_ a free software license as defined by the free
software foundation.
But I can't add GPLed code to it. That doesn't seem very Free to me.
I presume by it you mean Mozilla.
The license preventing you from adding GPL-only code
not redistribute the code without breaking
the (GPL) license terms themselves.
(As usual, please don't confuse my comments with real legal advice from
real lawyers.)
Ditto. I have no idea what I'm talking about. It's all interpretation. I
am not a lawyer. :-)
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searched but could not find the famed post.
The only thing I found was a post from over a year ago correcting you
on the same issues that we are correcting you about today:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3974F6ED.9BB9F278%40microbits.com.au
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, those two things are completely different. An easy to fix
bug (e.g. adding a line to ua.css or changing the wording of an error
message) is easy but is not low risk. A wording change is easy but is
typically not high reward.
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no arguments. (J.J.
Rousseau, schw.-frz. Phil., 1712-1778)
I hope you find this post more useful then.
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, JTK wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Peter Lairo wrote:
Let's use the definition of the mail6 keyword and expand it to include
all Mozilla components (not just mail). The name of the morphed keyword
doesn't have to be what I suggested, it could
as a native widget.
EVERY SINGLE APPLICATION ON YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM DOES THIS.
Oh no! Whatever shall we do!
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, as proved by their significant
development and financial contributions to the project.)
Similarly for the other commercial contributors or embedders of Mozilla
(such as ActiveState, IBM, and OEOne).
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think the reasons would be very, very obvious.
I would be interested in working with anyone who wishes to assist with
creating a survey for NN4.X users to ascertain why they shun
Mozilla/NN6.
I think users would be at a loss as to where to begin.
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in the summary -- to get a list of things that are not
implemented. Extended XLinks and Linkbases are certainly not implemented.
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and expect Mozilla to do the right thing.
It's not really that complicated... :-)
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oogle.com/groups?q=msgid:3B280066.6369323D%40who.nethl=ensafe=offrnum=1ic=1selm=3B280066.6369323D%40who.net
HTH,
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him for his efforts in supporting our project.
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cares? I'm enjoying it.
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>news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Haha, nice one. I bet you'll shortly have to add this post to that list as
well, cos I'm pretty sure he ain't going to be replying to any of those!
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releases (at the same time it makes binary releases) of all the files in
Netscape 6.x under the MPL or NPL or another open source license.
And they do. Read the Netscape 6.x license for more details.
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, it should matter. That's a bug.
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Brian Z Jones wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Brian Z Jones wrote:
I disagree. I figure, you know what you sent me, you want to see what
I'm saying in reply first.
This fails on three counts.
1. I have no idea what I sent you. I send dozens and dozens
may get lost as I scroll on down, so I guess I just
like things my own way.
If you are using a mail client which highlights text based on the
nesting level, you won't miss a thing.
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Ashant wrote:
Hey how come the road map still shows the old crash landings? Mozilla
has come quite forward since then ...
Because I've been too busy playing Anarchy Online.
Sowwy. :-)
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Netscape
the
sidebar. If you don't want it, turn it off (hit F9). Problem solved.
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote:
Except 20MB and 8 times slower rendering.
Well, 10MB and 4 times, but who can blame you for exaggerating.
I refer people who want to know the accurate numbers to the
n.p.mozilla.performance newsgroup.
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. It
delivered the standards support the market was clamoring for, said Sol
Goldfarb, director of browser product marketing for Netscape, an AOL
subsidiary.
BAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHHAHHAAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAA!!!
The defense rests.
The prosecution left three or four months ago...
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the Netscape (AOL) numbers be doubted by anyone, I strongly
encourage these people to create and run their own tests and publish
the results and graphs regularly. Past experience has shown that
easily obtainable hard numbers are an amazing motivator.
HTH,
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. (prosecution
and persecution are two totally distinct, unrelated words.)
I am glad, however, that you consider my e-mails annoying. I will take
that as a compliment too.
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as you usually write. Perchance you are in fact using
dissociated-press yourself? That sure would explain a lot.
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) numbers be doubted by anyone, I strongly
encourage these people to create and run their own tests and
publish the results and graphs regularly. Past experience has shown
that easily obtainable hard numbers are an amazing motivator.
Hard to doubt numbers you can't find.
See above.
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who put their stamp of approval on N6.0.
A quick glance at Bugzilla would have answered that question for you.
Ian Hickson wrote:
By substitution of context, that sentence is equivalent to:
[Netscape's] choice was rushed by [Netscape's] marketing
department, and had nothing to do
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Blake Ross wrote:
Er, IE6 is just like 5 with some tweaks. Looks like they're standing
still to me ;-)
Well, they did add various features that Mozilla had first, like, say, the
sidebar. And some more CSS1 support.
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On 22 Jun 2001, Carlfish wrote:
On 21 Jun 2001 23:42:47 GMT, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
somehow managed to type:
Individual choices may or may not have any relation to Mozilla. For
example, Netscape's choice to provide its employees with Indian food
on Wednesdays is totally
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, JTK wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Blake Ross wrote:
Er, IE6 is just like 5 with some tweaks. Looks like they're standing
still to me ;-)
Well, they did add various features that Mozilla had first, like, say, the
sidebar.
Huh? You mean
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, jesus X wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
(Where Gecko is the rendering engine (HTML, CSS, DOM, etc) and Mozilla
is the web browser.)
Is not the DOM, while part of Gecko, partially connected to the UI as
well?
No more so than HTTP or CSS.
IIRC, for interfacing with users
window, bookmark watching, etc.
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is not the same
type as company division.
Ergo: Your statement is wrong. Indeed, your statement is probably
grounds for a lawsuit, since you are insinuating that jesus X said
something which he did not.
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, John Dobbins wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, JTK wrote:
God, why do I bother.
A very good question. Many of us would rather you did not.
As long as you reply to his posts, he'll bother.
Actually, in my experience he very rarely replies to my posts
.
A fair price for freedom. Also IMHO. :-)
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, JTK wrote:
I long ago proved that XUL was a major factor in Mozilla's slowness.
Just for the record, this is in fact a myth. I refer interested parties to
recent posts in n.p.mozilla.performance for more details.
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, the MPL does grant those right. See: Komodo.
Komodo's license was (and might still be, I have not heard that it has
been corrected) illegal due to its violation of the MPL.
And unlike wood, you can't go to the store and buy more time.
Damn shame, too. :-(
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, JTK wrote:
I'd bitch if I was you.
We noticed.
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, JTK wrote:
God, why do I bother.
A very good question. Many of us would rather you did not.
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it under a different, potentially
proprietary, license, but that does not affect anyone who is using the
software under the GPL license. IANAL. YMMV).
I'm confused by your argument.
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covered code that you modify must be made available
to anyone to whom you give (or sell) your binaries.)
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, and it should.
Mikel: Could you point me to the example in question? We should be doing
this fine, unless there is something else in the file that I am missing.
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On 12 Jun 2001, Carlfish wrote:
(And if you haven't then sat through the story of how they rescued the
whole system without requiring a restore, through the use of only
emacs, a pocket-knife and a roll of duct-tape, then you're a luckier
man than I)
only emacs ?!
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On Thu, 31 May 2001, John Bandhauer wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
Assuming the answer to both is 'no', I would like to propose that super-
reviewers be able to say veto=jsmith. (Other people (like me) would then
be able to ask super-reviewers to veto a patch. I don't think there is any
need
will be similar to dependencies.
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, and all is fine.
If you say you follow HTML 4.0 Strict (or if you go out of your way to
make us follow standard mode in some other way) then you have to take into
account that different browsers and different users may have different
default stylesheets.
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of the problems.
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to describe in CSS, so
we have to approximate. (In quirks mode we try harder, the page you
pointed out triggers standards mode.)
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the validator complains.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/1999Mar/0013.html
...might explain it, along with other posts in that thread.
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free to say look it
up yourself! :)
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ :-)
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is
required? (i.e., is 'rs=x' the equivalent of 'sr=x' or is it the
equivalent of 'r=x, sr=n/a'?) I think the FAQ could be slightly more
explicit about this.
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the green elements below but not the red ones:
green
green/
red/
red/
/green
red
green/
/red
red
Hello
red/
/red
HTH,
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