Re: [NTG-context] Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: Granted. The main point is that we have to reinterpret bidi in way that fits with TeX's/ConTeXt's needs, idiosyncracies, etc I don't believe we need to treat the unicode bidi algorithm as canonical. i think that we should stick to things that make sense; with

Re: [NTG-context] Arabic with LuaTeX vs. XeTeX

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: But at this stage of development, only pure OpenType fonts will be supported out of the box. For example: Traditional Arabic, which comes with XP, has OpenType tables but depends on Uniscribe instead of OpenType for, eg, making marks exceptions to the

Re: [NTG-context] How to implement this document's navigational system ?

2008-06-10 Thread luigi scarso
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Alan Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Having discovered LaTeX a few weeks ago, I'm considering switching to ConTeXt instead. :O) Hence, while playing with ConTeXt, I'd like to know... How to implement this type of document navigational system/panel:

Re: [NTG-context] Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: This issue needs to be looked at in the larger context of bidi in luatex. For example, we need a flexible model to implement Bidirectional Character Types. For example, we need an option that will recognize certain character-types as RL and switch directions

Re: [NTG-context] Problem with '\ ' in math commands in current minimals

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Aditya Mahajan wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Morgan Brassel wrote: Hi everyone, In the following example: \define[1]\com{com\ #1} \starttext \com{1} $\com{1}$ \stoptext the second call to \com (the one in math mode) seems to stop the compilation of the file. Is it a bug? It wasn't

Re: [NTG-context] How to implement this document's navigational system ?

2008-06-10 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Alan Stone wrote: Hi, Having discovered LaTeX a few weeks ago, I'm considering switching to ConTeXt instead. :O) Hence, while playing with ConTeXt, I'd like to know... How to implement this type of document navigational system/panel:

Re: [NTG-context] Problem with '\ ' in math commands in current minimals

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Aditya Mahajan wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Morgan Brassel wrote: Hi everyone, In the following example: \define[1]\com{com\ #1} \starttext \com{1} $\com{1}$ \stoptext the second call to \com (the one in math mode) seems to stop the compilation of the file. Is it a bug? It wasn't

Re: [NTG-context] How to implement this document's navigational system ?

2008-06-10 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:11 AM, luigi scarso wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Alan Stone wrote: Hi, Having discovered LaTeX a few weeks ago, I'm considering switching to ConTeXt instead. :O) Hence, while playing with ConTeXt, I'd like to know... How to implement this type of

Re: [NTG-context] How to implement this document's navigational system ?

2008-06-10 Thread Alan Stone
Thanks to all for your prompt response. Got something to scratch my head about. ;O) Beste groeten/Regards, Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist :

[NTG-context] staticMPfigure

2008-06-10 Thread bbvogel
Hi, When I run the example below (current beta, pdftex, live.contextgarden.net) the generated pdf does not contain any pictures. Any suggestion how to solve this? Or is the command obsolete? Thanks, B. Vogel %test.tex \startstaticMPfigure{center} draw fullcircle scaled 2cm ;

Re: [NTG-context] How to implement this document's navigational system ?

2008-06-10 Thread Alan Stone
For your information... After installing ConTeXt with ContextMinimalInstall.exe, which didn't succeed, I took http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/context-setup-mswin.zip but couldn't figure out how to configure sciTE - even after reading the SciTE in ConTeXt manual several times it still was

Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-10 Thread Peter Rolf
Hans Hagen schrieb: meta-ini.mkiv \def\grabMPclippath#1#2#3#4#5% {\blabelgroup \edef\width {#3\space}\let\overlaywidth \width \edef\height{#4\space}\let\overlayheight\height \doifdefinedelse{MPC:#1} {\xdef\MPclippath{\getvalue{MPC:#1}}%

[NTG-context] Updating minimals

2008-06-10 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Morgan Brassel wrote: Thank you for this fast correction, Hans. By the way, I have a small question about updating the minimals tree: which command must be used preferably? * ctxtools --contextupdate or * first-setup.sh another time as suggested on

Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Peter Rolf wrote: Hans Hagen schrieb: meta-ini.mkiv \def\grabMPclippath#1#2#3#4#5% {\blabelgroup \edef\width {#3\space}\let\overlaywidth \width \edef\height{#4\space}\let\overlayheight\height \doifdefinedelse{MPC:#1} {\xdef\MPclippath{\getvalue{MPC:#1}}%

Re: [NTG-context] staticMPfigure

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, When I run the example below (current beta, pdftex, live.contextgarden.net) the generated pdf does not contain any pictures. Any suggestion how to solve this? Or is the command obsolete? works ok here for pdftex (maybe no intermediate run on the garden) in

Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-10 Thread Peter Rolf
Hans Hagen schrieb: Peter Rolf wrote: Hans Hagen schrieb: meta-ini.mkiv \def\grabMPclippath#1#2#3#4#5% {\blabelgroup \edef\width {#3\space}\let\overlaywidth \width \edef\height{#4\space}\let\overlayheight\height \doifdefinedelse{MPC:#1}

Re: [NTG-context] staticMPfigure

2008-06-10 Thread bbvogel
Hi, I get a different result. Using a fresh install (context-setup-mswin) on windows XP: !pdfTeX error: pdftex.exe (file ./test-center.pdf): xpdf: reading PDF image fai led (0) == Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced! See the added logfile. Bernard test.log: This is pdfTeX,

Re: [NTG-context] Problem with '\ ' in math commands in current minimals

2008-06-10 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Hans Hagen wrote: Aditya Mahajan wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Morgan Brassel wrote: Hi everyone, In the following example: \define[1]\com{com\ #1} \starttext \com{1} $\com{1}$ \stoptext the second call to \com (the one in math mode) seems to stop the compilation

[NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-10 Thread Andrea Valle
Hi to all, I've briefly presented ConTeXt to the students of my course in Visual Identities. They were all enthusiastic. So they asked me if I can give an introductory but real seminar. At my lab the students are all on macosx 10.4/5. Now the probem: All my students comes from humanities,

Re: [NTG-context] fontscript for delicious?

2008-06-10 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Hello Uwe, On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Uwe Koloska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Wolfgang, hello list, thank you for the help! Unfortunately the code doesn't work flawlessly with the current minimal context distribution. So for the archive, here are the corrected files and a short

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-10 Thread Andrea Valle
Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right? Best -a- On 10 Jun 2008, at 16:36, Andrea Valle wrote: Hi to all, I've briefly presented ConTeXt to the students of my course in Visual Identities. They were all enthusiastic. So they asked me if I can give an

Re: [NTG-context] staticMPfigure

2008-06-10 Thread Peter Rolf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi, I get a different result. Using a fresh install (context-setup-mswin) on windows XP: !pdfTeX error: pdftex.exe (file ./test-center.pdf): xpdf: reading PDF image fai led (0) == Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced! See the added logfile.

Re: [NTG-context] Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode

2008-06-10 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
if for instance ( ) are officially not symbols but open/close thingies, then we need to deal with them Yes, they are. That's what the Bidi_Mirrored property is for. (although i then wonder why we have no proper open/close code point for them instead of

Re: [NTG-context] Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Arthur Reutenauer wrote: if for instance ( ) are officially not symbols but open/close thingies, then we need to deal with them Yes, they are. That's what the Bidi_Mirrored property is for. (although i then wonder why we have no proper open/close code

Re: [NTG-context] Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode

2008-06-10 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
btw is there a reason why in bidi arabic r-l is tagged 'al' and not 'r'? Arabic Letter. Basic right-to-left characters have type R. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add

Re: [NTG-context] Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Arthur Reutenauer wrote: btw is there a reason why in bidi arabic r-l is tagged 'al' and not 'r'? Arabic Letter. Basic right-to-left characters have type R. do you have any idea why is arab treated special? -

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-10 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Andrea Valle wrote: Hi to all, I've briefly presented ConTeXt to the students of my course in Visual Identities. They were all enthusiastic. So they asked me if I can give an introductory but real seminar. At my lab the students are all on macosx 10.4/5. Now

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-10 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Andrea Valle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right? Yes but some fonts use AAT feayures rather than OpenType features (take a look at the Arabic thread), so don't worry if you want to use fonts for foreign

[NTG-context] new beta

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, There is a new beta; apart from a few fixes (mostly mkiv) the mathml interpreter now also mathml 3 (for as much as I could deduce it from the draft which is definitely a draft and not yet a reference). Provisional openmath is also part of the game but not that well tested. Something

Re: [NTG-context] Rendering of ZWNJ and ZWJ

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: Can this be made an option, so fonts that contain zwj zwnj are not affected? ok, the next version will have otf.remove_joiners = true -- default later we can make it an option in the font definition

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Andrea Valle wrote: Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right? yes, if you set up OSFONTDIR - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-10 Thread David
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:34:15 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: Andrea Valle wrote: Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right? yes, if you set up OSFONTDIR I would like to set up OSFONTDIR, but I don't know how or where or when to do so. I've tried setting it in my bash

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
David wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:34:15 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: Andrea Valle wrote: Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right? yes, if you set up OSFONTDIR I would like to set up OSFONTDIR, but I don't know how or where or when to do so. I've tried setting

Re: [NTG-context] Rendering of ZWNJ and ZWJ

2008-06-10 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:45:31 -0600, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: Can this be made an option, so fonts that contain zwj zwnj are not affected? ok, the next version will have otf.remove_joiners = true -- default Our main test fonts + professional fonts

Re: [NTG-context] Rendering of ZWNJ and ZWJ

2008-06-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:45:31 -0600, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: Can this be made an option, so fonts that contain zwj zwnj are not affected? ok, the next version will have otf.remove_joiners = true -- default Our main test

[NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-10 Thread Alan Stone
I intend to print the http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-enp.pdf manual ( dated 2001.11.12 ). However, before proceeding... Is there's an updated version available ? Thanks, Alan ___ If your question is

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-10 Thread Andrea Valle
(thanks to all) Oliver (who's comming to the meeting with the same probability as you are :) (eh, I'd like to come...) TeX Live 2008 will include LuaTeX, and so will MacTeX (if they create it). That would be great Have you ever tried to install minimals (http://

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-10 Thread Andrea Valle
In my experience the font switching issue (complicated for newbies) is the only relevant negative feature in ConTeXt. So, if I have Luatex I can forget xetex? Best -a- On 10 Jun 2008, at 19:37, Hans Hagen wrote: David wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:34:15 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: Andrea

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-10 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Andrea Valle wrote: Have you ever tried to install minimals (http://minimals.contextgarden.net/)? No, frankly I am a bit scared of tweaking my actual distro... You don't need to tweak it. You just download it and run . setuptex whenever you need it. If you

Re: [NTG-context] Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode

2008-06-10 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
sure but originally they were in ascii just ( and ) and not some generic opener and closer I did not mean ASCII ... in the 8-bit encodings for Arabic that built over ASCII (ISO 8859-6, Windows-1256, etc.) there also was a single couple of parentheses, and I don't think they had a different

Re: [NTG-context] Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode

2008-06-10 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
do you have any idea why is arab treated special? Arabic letters behave differently from Hebrew, Thaana, etc. in particular in the vicinity of European digits. But the difference is quite minute. Arthur

[NTG-context] Problem with TSV tables

2008-06-10 Thread Jan-Erik Hägglöf
Hi! Followed the MyWay creating tables using CSV..in order to create tables from datafiles in tab separated columns. A weird message \line= ... stop appears Can someone figure it out? Thanks in advance Jan-Erik Hägglöf % engine=luatex \mainlanguage[sv] % \environments \usemodule[database]

Re: [NTG-context] Problem with TSV tables

2008-06-10 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Jan-Erik Hägglöf wrote: Hi! Followed the MyWay creating tables using CSV..in order to create tables from datafiles in tab separated columns. A weird message \line= ... stop appears Hello, You're using \processseparatedfile[TSV][sndfall.dat] Does the