Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-14 Thread Scott Barnes
Well thats a loaded question to which I'd say objection your honour leading the witness and goes to state of mind .. Today if i were to reboot the web I'd be ok with a XML flavour like similar to HTML5/MXML (and in parts XAML). I'd also double down on ECMA4 or above (either one) and i'd ignore

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-14 Thread Scott Barnes
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:38 PM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Barnes
*Stares at XAML runtime*... *stares at WPF*... *stares at .NET Developers* ...i figure if all you really did was change the namespaces out and strip away the Windows 8 Start menu shit, you're back to Win7 and WPF crap would work..only devs would be clueless that the rendering pipeline was changed.

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread David Connors
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: *Stares at XAML runtime*... *stares at WPF*... *stares at .NET Developers* ...i figure if all you really did was change the namespaces out and strip away the Windows 8 Start menu shit, you're back to Win7 and WPF crap

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Barnes
better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:02 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: *Stares at

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
Does it even matter when for browser apps one of them is DOA? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14,

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Barnes
either all - does it matter either way? In closing - JavaScript is the digital age’s version of herpes, every time you think its gone a new outbreak occurs – DHTML, AJAX, “HTML5″ --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread David Connors
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . I said 'someone's 10kb of JS is better. JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread Greg Keogh
JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. So it was you who poetically said last year JavaScript is

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Barnes
David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as possible because the said language is so far behind the evolution curve. Had JS

RE: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread Williams, Thomas
Hey Scott - I have to admit I'm not particularly imaginative - if you were building the internet from scratch, what do you think would be better than JavaScript? Does this product exist? Thomas From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott

RE: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread GregAtGregLowDotCom
Isn't it all just perspective ? All other languages are just wrappers around machine code anyway. :) Resistance is futile Any problem in computing can be solved by another layer of abstraction. And any performance problem in computing can be solved by removing one layer of

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread Stephen Price
Great point Greg. There was a time where I didn't feel like a real programmer because I wasn't writing my code in C++ and then one day I realised that the C++ programmers were not real programmers because they were not writing their code in Assembly Language... and the Assembly Language

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread David Burstin
http://xkcd.com/378/ Sent from my flux capacitor. Please excuse brevity and any odd autocorrect errors. On 14/02/2014 12:28 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Great point Greg. There was a time where I didn't feel like a real programmer because I wasn't writing my code in C++

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread Preet Sangha
Greg. All machine languages are just wrappers for microcode [?] Preet On 14 February 2014 14:00, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.com wrote: Isn’t it all just perspective ? All other languages are just wrappers around machine code anyway. J “Resistance is futile” “Any problem in

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
Where's my soldering iron... On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: Greg. All machine languages are just wrappers for microcode [?] Preet On 14 February 2014 14:00, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.com wrote: Isn’t it all just perspective ? All

RE: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread GregAtGregLowDotCom
Yeah, I was limiting it to the level of the microprocessor. No interest in actually building or coding inside there nowadays. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web:

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-13 Thread David Connors
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-12 Thread Scott Barnes
Yeah you need to move on from Silverlight that ship sailed in 2009 and even if they wanted to put that broken toy back together again, it would be likely back under the hood of WPF (which is apparently today what they did by putting the WPF band back together - how or what that looks like is

RE: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-12 Thread David Kean
Silverlight/Jupiter (Windows XAML) started under ScottGu. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:00 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-12 Thread mike smith
inline (but not const) On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:19 PM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: Silverlight “end-of-life” is a widely-felt gripe with developers, from my reading (eg, just today – Visual Studio Magazine – “*Satya Nadella's To-Do List*”

RE: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-12 Thread ILT (O)
I wasn’t aware that Scott Guthrie had responsibility for Silverlight and XAML initially. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:28 PM To:

RE: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-12 Thread Joseph Cooney
Xaml from the early days of WPF is circa 2002 or earlier. I think the GU was still hacking out ASP.NET on planes as a PM at that time. On Feb 13, 2014 2:43 PM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: I wasn't aware that Scott Guthrie had responsibility for Silverlight and XAML initially.

Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)

2014-02-12 Thread David Connors
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: I'm hoping he's behind the WPF reboot rumours i'm hearing more and more of. WPF Reboot? I for one can't wait for 2 gigabyte of RAM footprint calculator applications and my GPU shitting itself trying to draw a green