Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump theheadphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Peter Scanlon]

I think they just care about making money. Just like people said about 
Microsoft.


From: André van Deventer 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 5:49 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump theheadphone socket | DailyMail 
Online

Exactly

How are you supposed to connect something like a neck induction loop to such
a device?

Yes some of the rolls Royce hearing aids have wireless connectivity but very
few people have the money to purchase them.

But I suppose this segment of the market is so small that Apple does not
really care.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 10 March 2016 11:50 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |
DailyMail Online

The problem with all this forward thinking is that it leaves the hearing
impaired out. Jonathan Mosen has done some very good writing on this topic.
I personally have the equipment to deal with the loss of the headphone jack.
But in thinking of what it will mean for others, I think it is a stupid idea
at this time and, if it is just to make the damned phone a hair thinner, it
is clearly not worth it and is just another  money-making angle for Apple.
But this one is coming at the expense of a fairly  large and growing segment
of the population.

Mary




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RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[André van Deventer]

Exactly

How are you supposed to connect something like a neck induction loop to such
a device?

Yes some of the rolls Royce hearing aids have wireless connectivity but very
few people have the money to purchase them.

But I suppose this segment of the market is so small that Apple does not
really care.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 10 March 2016 11:50 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |
DailyMail Online

The problem with all this forward thinking is that it leaves the hearing
impaired out. Jonathan Mosen has done some very good writing on this topic.
I personally have the equipment to deal with the loss of the headphone jack.
But in thinking of what it will mean for others, I think it is a stupid idea
at this time and, if it is just to make the damned phone a hair thinner, it
is clearly not worth it and is just another  money-making angle for Apple.
But this one is coming at the expense of a fairly  large and growing segment
of the population.

Mary




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Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Mary Otten]

Well, here is a link to Jonathan's well-written post for those who want
another perspective. I think he makes good points and I do not see the
advantage at this time of dumping the jack. A lot of what ifs don't cut
it, and really, vr audio? If the choice is between vr audio or some
other equivalent of eye candy for the sighted, I'll take convenience
and inclusivity. I know, that puts me in th
minority.
http://mosen.org/an-iphone-without-a-headphone-jack-the-accessibility-ra
mifications/

Mary

Re: SV: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Mary Otten]

I recall something in the past with an adapter and a camera kit and the
iPad. Don't remember details, and it certainly wasn't anything like
what you get on a phone or tablet that has a built-in slot such as my
husband's HTC android phone has. Pop in the card and go. 

Mary

Set Top Box MINIX Neo X8 Further Progress

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay, I received the box 2 days ago, had a very short play with the box 
Yesterday morning and a longer exploration a few hours ago.


I'm surprised at just how accessible Android on this box is and I've 
been able to access and use many of the features with just the remote 
controller though a keyboard - whether it be Bluetooth or USB - is 
certainly a handy adition at times particularly when it comes to 
entering Passwords and the like.


I'm not saying that entering Passwords isn't impossible to do with the 
remote controller I just haven't found out how its doen yet if indeed it 
can be done, when on the keyboard with the remote control nothing seems 
to speak with Talkback so I might try Shine and see if that makes any 
difference.


So having everything set up to my liking it was time to have a look at 
playing media with this box which is precisely what I bought it for and 
lookign round the selection of preinstalled Apps I discovered a Media 
Center App.


The App seems to be quite a versatile one, I've not gone into it 
thoroughly but it would appear that you can stream from - play media to 
another device from the box - or stream to - take media from a server or 
another device and stream it to the box - using DLNA and Airplay, didn't 
get the Airplay functions to work but the DLNA functions were easy 
enough to set, I continued listening to the 26 Hours serial through the 
MINIX Neo X8 which was connected to my Bose Soundlink Mini via Bluetooth.


Unfortunatley the buttons in the player of Media Center aren't labeled 
but they're arranged in a logical order so if you're familiar with the 
buttons on a CD player than you'll know exactly where the previous, 
play/pause and next buttons are so this bets the question is there any 
way to creat labels for Talkback to identify these buttons and import 
them onto the MINIX Neo X8?



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Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

It will be utterly superb if everyone does yes.



On 11/03/2016 9:52 AM, Brian Olesen wrote:

Hi Dane,
We could hope that the vendors can agree on using the USB C connection.

Broian

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Sendt: 10. marts 2016 23:13
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

Hmm, interesting and that's about the time the USB C standard was launched so 
perhaps we'll see more of that in the future?

The Nexus P6 smartphone already has the USB C connector as part of it.



On 11/03/2016 8:56 AM, Brian Olesen wrote:

HI,
Actually it's old news, but here is an article from 2014 about it.

Europe approves common charger standard for mobe-makers

Apple and its proprietary Lightning rig may yet wriggle out of this
one O2_uni_charger

   17 Mar 2014 at 01:01,  Simon Sharwood

The European Parliament has signed off on its proposal to force mobile phone 
makers to adopt a common charging standard.

The new regulation means that if mobe-makers' want to meet European standards 
for “radio equipment” they'll have to ensure their products will have to be 
chargeable using micro-USB. But there are ways out of the proposal: the 
communiqué about the vote on the issue says “... it will be up to the European 
Commission to decide which specific types of radio equipment will have to meet 
this requirement”.

The vote also means that European Union members have two years in which to 
implement the regulation, with 2017 the target date for compliance by 
mobe-makers.

That leaves plenty of time in which to lobby for exemptions.

Most mobe-makers have moved to micro-USB charging, but the likes of Apple 
prefer their own arrangements on the basis that their technology is superior. 
With more and more of a phone's synching needs being met wirelessly and a 
single pin sufficing for charging over USB, just how Apple can dodge this one 
remains to be seen.

If we assume Cupertino insists on its own standard, perhaps slipping
an adaptor into the box for future sold-in-Euroland iDevices will do
the trick. ®

Brian

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Trethowan
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:37
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Absolute twaddle and what regulations?

Micro USB for mobile is now old hack, make way for USB C and Apple are already 
using that on their Macbook range so perhaps USB C will appear on iPhone in the 
future though I doubt the immediate future, too many Lightning dock devices out 
there.



On 11 Mar 2016, at 6:33 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:

HI,
What I think is. They'll have to install a micro USB due to regulations in EU. 
They force all vendors to use the same standard for charging phones from I 
guess primo 2018.
So maybe they'll keep the lightning connector and add an additional usb port.
I'd also be happy for a micro SD card slot as an extra option like all the 
other brands have.

Brian

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Hamit Campos
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:21
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Emne: RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |
DailyMail Online

Hell to the yeah to that!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:49 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket
| DailyMail Online

They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want a 
serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. 
Let's think of possibilities and the future.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:

Hi,
Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the
Android World to see how that works out ano 2016.
Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?

Brian


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Peter Scanlon
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |
DailyMail Online

It reduces thickness by one millimetre.
but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
headphhone.


From: Brian Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |
DailyMail Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones
so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up
much space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio 

SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Brian Olesen]

Hi Dane,
We could hope that the vendors can agree on using the USB C connection.

Broian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 23:13
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

Hmm, interesting and that's about the time the USB C standard was launched so 
perhaps we'll see more of that in the future?

The Nexus P6 smartphone already has the USB C connector as part of it.



On 11/03/2016 8:56 AM, Brian Olesen wrote:
> HI,
> Actually it's old news, but here is an article from 2014 about it.
>
> Europe approves common charger standard for mobe-makers
>
> Apple and its proprietary Lightning rig may yet wriggle out of this 
> one O2_uni_charger
>
>   17 Mar 2014 at 01:01,  Simon Sharwood
>
> The European Parliament has signed off on its proposal to force mobile phone 
> makers to adopt a common charging standard.
>
> The new regulation means that if mobe-makers' want to meet European standards 
> for “radio equipment” they'll have to ensure their products will have to be 
> chargeable using micro-USB. But there are ways out of the proposal: the 
> communiqué about the vote on the issue says “... it will be up to the 
> European Commission to decide which specific types of radio equipment will 
> have to meet this requirement”.
>
> The vote also means that European Union members have two years in which to 
> implement the regulation, with 2017 the target date for compliance by 
> mobe-makers.
>
> That leaves plenty of time in which to lobby for exemptions.
>
> Most mobe-makers have moved to micro-USB charging, but the likes of Apple 
> prefer their own arrangements on the basis that their technology is superior. 
> With more and more of a phone's synching needs being met wirelessly and a 
> single pin sufficing for charging over USB, just how Apple can dodge this one 
> remains to be seen.
>
> If we assume Cupertino insists on its own standard, perhaps slipping 
> an adaptor into the box for future sold-in-Euroland iDevices will do 
> the trick. ®
>
> Brian
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:37
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail 
> Online
>
> Absolute twaddle and what regulations?
>
> Micro USB for mobile is now old hack, make way for USB C and Apple are 
> already using that on their Macbook range so perhaps USB C will appear on 
> iPhone in the future though I doubt the immediate future, too many Lightning 
> dock devices out there.
>
>
>> On 11 Mar 2016, at 6:33 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
>>
>> HI,
>> What I think is. They'll have to install a micro USB due to regulations in 
>> EU. They force all vendors to use the same standard for charging phones from 
>> I guess primo 2018.
>> So maybe they'll keep the lightning connector and add an additional usb port.
>> I'd also be happy for a micro SD card slot as an extra option like all the 
>> other brands have.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af 
>> Hamit Campos
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:21
>> Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
>> Emne: RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
>> DailyMail Online
>>
>> Hell to the yeah to that!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Devin Prater
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:49 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket 
>> | DailyMail Online
>>
>> They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want 
>> a serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. 
>> Let's think of possibilities and the future.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the 
>>> Android World to see how that works out ano 2016.
>>> Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af 
>>> Peter Scanlon
>>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
>>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
>>> DailyMail Online
>>>
>>> It reduces thickness by one millimetre.
>>> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular 
>>> headphhone.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Brian Olesen
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
>>> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
>>> DailyMail Online
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> It's a real shame. We are many, who 

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes I've wondered about that myself, perhaps there's a problem in 
powering them or a problem with the delay between source and target? 
That delay typically plagues AirPlay systems unfortunately.




On 11/03/2016 9:33 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
I am more surprised that there’s no airplay headphones yet.
If there was i would buy a pair emediatly.
/A

On 10 Mar 2016, at 16:34, Chris Skarstad  wrote:

With Apple, they have an obsession with being thin as possible. From what I'm 
told, the standard headphone jack takes up a lot of room, when you compare it 
to something like wireless might take up.  So, they want to go with that so the 
phone will be thinner. and knowing them, you'll have to use their specific ear 
pods. Actually, I'm hoping that regular bluetooth will work since I have a few 
pares of those and i can just use that.   Time marches on y'all.
I also agree with another poster, if all this is just too much, there's no 
reason why you can't just stay with the 6 or 6s. I have a 6 and it works 
beautifully for me.



On 3/10/2016 10:19 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Famous Last Words .


On 11/03/2016 1:24 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Hmm then will you skip from now on? No more IPhone for you for ever
more? I mean if and that's a big if they really do do it with 7 you know it
ain't coming back.

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Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

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Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html

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Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

I'm just looking at the post talking about Bluetooth, Bluetooth does in 
fact transmit in Compressed audio - well most standards of Bluetooth do -.


Most equipment out there now for audio - unless you get the very cheap 
stuff - is Bluetooth 3.0 which supports a wide variety of different 
audio profiles.


I sincerely hope that Apple considers using Bluetooth atpX lossless in 
the iPhone 7? I'm not sure if the hardware even exists for this in the 
iPhone 6 range but regardless of that all the other manufacturers have 
adopted it including Samsung, LG and so on - sadly not Google -.


Bluetooth has been with us 20 years and the quality of the audio - with 
the standards evolving - has improved dramatically, I remember how my 
old Ericson phone sounded in 1995 with the Bluetooth hands free, 
absolutely God Damn awful.




On 11/03/2016 9:26 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Well is that a very big problem?
Maybe it is but i don’t hear so good i can hear that.
/A

On 10 Mar 2016, at 15:00, Brian Olesen  wrote:

Hi,
Bluetooth quality lacks in various ways.
It can't transmit uncompressed audio and  there is a slide delay in time as 
well.
Toilet paper is more than a hundred years old and is stil being used. Smile

Bran

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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug 
away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I really 
wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair of 
headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than the 
analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design at 
least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d be if 
they did.



On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones
so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up
much space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what
they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be
just audio that goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
eakers
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Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am more surprised that there’s no airplay headphones yet.
If there was i would buy a pair emediatly.
/A
> On 10 Mar 2016, at 16:34, Chris Skarstad  wrote:
> 
> With Apple, they have an obsession with being thin as possible. From what I'm 
> told, the standard headphone jack takes up a lot of room, when you compare it 
> to something like wireless might take up.  So, they want to go with that so 
> the phone will be thinner. and knowing them, you'll have to use their 
> specific ear pods. Actually, I'm hoping that regular bluetooth will work 
> since I have a few pares of those and i can just use that.   Time marches on 
> y'all.
> I also agree with another poster, if all this is just too much, there's no 
> reason why you can't just stay with the 6 or 6s. I have a 6 and it works 
> beautifully for me.
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/10/2016 10:19 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Famous Last Words .
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/03/2016 1:24 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
>>> Hmm then will you skip from now on? No more IPhone for you for ever
>>> more? I mean if and that's a big if they really do do it with 7 you know it
>>> ain't coming back.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
>>> Olesen
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:04 AM
>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
>>> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
>>> Online
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
>>> skip this update and stay with 6S.
>>> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
>>> space.
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
>>> Prater
>>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
>>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
>>> Online
>>> 
>>> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
>>> do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
>>> goes through them.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> wrote:
 
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
>>>  
>>> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
>>>  
>>> .html
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well is that a very big problem?
Maybe it is but i don’t hear so good i can hear that.
/A
> On 10 Mar 2016, at 15:00, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Bluetooth quality lacks in various ways.
> It can't transmit uncompressed audio and  there is a slide delay in time as 
> well.
> Toilet paper is more than a hundred years old and is stil being used. Smile
> 
> Bran
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 14:38
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online
> 
> There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug 
> away then the phone can be made thinner.
> 
> I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I really 
> wanted to use an older pair of headphones.
> 
> A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair of 
> headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than the 
> analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.
> 
> Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design 
> at least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d 
> be if they did.
> 
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
>> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
>> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up 
>> much space.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Brian
>> 
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin 
>> Prater
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail 
>> Online
>> 
>> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
>> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be 
>> just audio that goes through them.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
>> 7-dump 
>> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
>> eakers
>> .html
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay well that's one way of looking at things .

I've just been reading a review of the Samsung Galaxy S7 which has a 
Headphones socket on it but still manages to stay waterproof amazingly, 
can't work out how Samsung have accomplished that without a sealing 
cover but there we are.




On 11/03/2016 9:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Actually i don’t care as i am going to get me an android phone soon.
I am a bit tired of some bugs with voiceover on my iphone.
Though i am not going to leave Ios or OSX.
Just want to try something else.
/A

On 10 Mar 2016, at 12:03, Brian Olesen  wrote:

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html

--

**
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--

**
Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Actually i don’t care as i am going to get me an android phone soon.
I am a bit tired of some bugs with voiceover on my iphone.
Though i am not going to leave Ios or OSX.
Just want to try something else.
/A
> On 10 Mar 2016, at 12:03, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
> skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
> space.
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
> Online
> 
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
> do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
> goes through them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
> .html
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> **
>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

Hmm, interesting and that's about the time the USB C standard was 
launched so perhaps we'll see more of that in the future?


The Nexus P6 smartphone already has the USB C connector as part of it.



On 11/03/2016 8:56 AM, Brian Olesen wrote:

HI,
Actually it's old news, but here is an article from 2014 about it.

Europe approves common charger standard for mobe-makers

Apple and its proprietary Lightning rig may yet wriggle out of this one
O2_uni_charger

  17 Mar 2014 at 01:01,  Simon Sharwood

The European Parliament has signed off on its proposal to force mobile phone 
makers to adopt a common charging standard.

The new regulation means that if mobe-makers' want to meet European standards 
for “radio equipment” they'll have to ensure their products will have to be 
chargeable using micro-USB. But there are ways out of the proposal: the 
communiqué about the vote on the issue says “... it will be up to the European 
Commission to decide which specific types of radio equipment will have to meet 
this requirement”.

The vote also means that European Union members have two years in which to 
implement the regulation, with 2017 the target date for compliance by 
mobe-makers.

That leaves plenty of time in which to lobby for exemptions.

Most mobe-makers have moved to micro-USB charging, but the likes of Apple 
prefer their own arrangements on the basis that their technology is superior. 
With more and more of a phone's synching needs being met wirelessly and a 
single pin sufficing for charging over USB, just how Apple can dodge this one 
remains to be seen.

If we assume Cupertino insists on its own standard, perhaps slipping an adaptor 
into the box for future sold-in-Euroland iDevices will do the trick. ®

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:37
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

Absolute twaddle and what regulations?

Micro USB for mobile is now old hack, make way for USB C and Apple are already 
using that on their Macbook range so perhaps USB C will appear on iPhone in the 
future though I doubt the immediate future, too many Lightning dock devices out 
there.



On 11 Mar 2016, at 6:33 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:

HI,
What I think is. They'll have to install a micro USB due to regulations in EU. 
They force all vendors to use the same standard for charging phones from I 
guess primo 2018.
So maybe they'll keep the lightning connector and add an additional usb port.
I'd also be happy for a micro SD card slot as an extra option like all the 
other brands have.

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Hamit Campos
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:21
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Emne: RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail 
Online

Hell to the yeah to that!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:49 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
DailyMail Online

They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want a 
serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. 
Let's think of possibilities and the future.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:

Hi,
Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the
Android World to see how that works out ano 2016.
Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?

Brian


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter
Scanlon
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |
DailyMail Online

It reduces thickness by one millimetre.
but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
headphhone.


From: Brian Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |
DailyMail Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones
so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up
much space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what
they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be
just audio that goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane 

Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

I beg to disagree with you Mary as I'm one of those hearing impaired 
people and Apple - as have the folk at Google - have done some really 
wonderful stuff when it comes to the incusion of deaf-blind people in 
the scheme of things.


Bluetooth is an everyday word in the technology of deaf-blind people and 
hearing instruments these days, I'm on my third set of Bluetooth enabled 
hearing instruments and both Samsung Galaxy S6 and Apple iPhone 6S work 
a treat with these so I've no reason to think that the S7 won't be any 
different.


Even when I'm not using Bluetooth with my mobile devices - which is most 
of the time by the way - the speaker can be made to go very loud with 
Voiceover and that's just one speaker, imagine what an iPhone would 
sound like with two?


There are a lot of things one can customise with the iPhone to make life 
easier with hearing instruments, one can even control the hearing 
instrument with an iPhone, use the iPhone as a microphone for your 
hearing instruments - extremely handy when you're enjoying someone elses 
company at a table for two in a noisy environment -, send mono audio to 
your hearing instruments which can be useful for those who have better 
hearing in one ear than the other etc.


Really the point here is that - if you want to use technology - then 
that technology is continually changing and evolving - in most cases for 
the better - so the user has two distinct choices, use what they're 
using which will eventually fall behind and be replaced or keep up with 
what's going on and accept the changes as they happen - that doesn't 
mean that one must have the latest devices on hand of course -.




On 11/03/2016 8:49 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

The problem with all this forward thinking is that it leaves the
hearing impaired out. Jonathan Mosen has done some very good writing on
this topic. I personally have the equipment to deal with the loss of
the headphone jack. But in thinking of what it will mean for others, I
think it is a stupid idea at this time and, if it is just to make the
damned phone a hair thinner, it is clearly not worth it and is just
another  money-making angle for Apple. But this one is coming at the
expense of a fairly  large and growing segment of the population.

Mary




--

**
Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves

Re: SV: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

I could be wrong on this but doesn't Apple sell an adatper that can be 
plugged into the Dock connector which allows the use of a SD card? The 
Camera Kit I think its called.




On 11/03/2016 8:51 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

Lots of brands don't have the sd card slot. I would also like that, but
Apple have never had it, and I'm not holding my breath.

Mary




--

**
Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves

SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Brian Olesen]

HI,
Actually it's old news, but here is an article from 2014 about it.

Europe approves common charger standard for mobe-makers

Apple and its proprietary Lightning rig may yet wriggle out of this one
O2_uni_charger 

 17 Mar 2014 at 01:01,  Simon Sharwood 

The European Parliament has signed off on its proposal to force mobile phone 
makers to adopt a common charging standard.

The new regulation means that if mobe-makers' want to meet European standards 
for “radio equipment” they'll have to ensure their products will have to be 
chargeable using micro-USB. But there are ways out of the proposal: the 
communiqué about the vote on the issue says “... it will be up to the European 
Commission to decide which specific types of radio equipment will have to meet 
this requirement”.

The vote also means that European Union members have two years in which to 
implement the regulation, with 2017 the target date for compliance by 
mobe-makers.

That leaves plenty of time in which to lobby for exemptions.

Most mobe-makers have moved to micro-USB charging, but the likes of Apple 
prefer their own arrangements on the basis that their technology is superior. 
With more and more of a phone's synching needs being met wirelessly and a 
single pin sufficing for charging over USB, just how Apple can dodge this one 
remains to be seen.

If we assume Cupertino insists on its own standard, perhaps slipping an adaptor 
into the box for future sold-in-Euroland iDevices will do the trick. ®

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:37
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

Absolute twaddle and what regulations?

Micro USB for mobile is now old hack, make way for USB C and Apple are already 
using that on their Macbook range so perhaps USB C will appear on iPhone in the 
future though I doubt the immediate future, too many Lightning dock devices out 
there.


> On 11 Mar 2016, at 6:33 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> HI,
> What I think is. They'll have to install a micro USB due to regulations in 
> EU. They force all vendors to use the same standard for charging phones from 
> I guess primo 2018.
> So maybe they'll keep the lightning connector and add an additional usb port.
> I'd also be happy for a micro SD card slot as an extra option like all the 
> other brands have.
> 
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Hamit Campos
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:21
> Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Emne: RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail 
> Online
> 
> Hell to the yeah to that!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Devin 
> Prater
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:49 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
> DailyMail Online
> 
> They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want 
> a serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. 
> Let's think of possibilities and the future. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the 
>> Android World to see how that works out ano 2016.
>> Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> 
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter 
>> Scanlon
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
>> DailyMail Online
>> 
>> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
>> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular 
>> headphhone.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Brian Olesen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
>> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
>> DailyMail Online
>> 
>> Hi,
>> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
>> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
>> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up 
>> much space.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Brian
>> 
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin 
>> Prater
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail 
>> Online
>> 
>> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
>> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be 
>> just audio that goes through them.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane 

Re: SV: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Mary Otten]

Lots of brands don't have the sd card slot. I would also like that, but
Apple have never had it, and I'm not holding my breath.

Mary

Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Mary Otten]

The problem with all this forward thinking is that it leaves the
hearing impaired out. Jonathan Mosen has done some very good writing on
this topic. I personally have the equipment to deal with the loss of
the headphone jack. But in thinking of what it will mean for others, I
think it is a stupid idea at this time and, if it is just to make the
damned phone a hair thinner, it is clearly not worth it and is just
another  money-making angle for Apple. But this one is coming at the
expense of a fairly  large and growing segment of the population.

Mary

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

Absolute twaddle and what regulations?

Micro USB for mobile is now old hack, make way for USB C and Apple are already 
using that on their Macbook range so perhaps USB C will appear on iPhone in the 
future though I doubt the immediate future, too many Lightning dock devices out 
there.


> On 11 Mar 2016, at 6:33 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> HI,
> What I think is. They'll have to install a micro USB due to regulations in 
> EU. They force all vendors to use the same standard for charging phones from 
> I guess primo 2018.
> So maybe they'll keep the lightning connector and add an additional usb port.
> I'd also be happy for a micro SD card slot as an extra option like all the 
> other brands have.
> 
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Hamit Campos
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:21
> Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Emne: RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail 
> Online
> 
> Hell to the yeah to that!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Devin 
> Prater
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:49 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
> DailyMail Online
> 
> They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want 
> a serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. 
> Let's think of possibilities and the future. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the 
>> Android World to see how that works out ano 2016.
>> Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> 
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter 
>> Scanlon
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
>> DailyMail Online
>> 
>> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
>> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular 
>> headphhone.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Brian Olesen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
>> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
>> DailyMail Online
>> 
>> Hi,
>> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
>> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
>> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up 
>> much space.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Brian
>> 
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin 
>> Prater
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail 
>> Online
>> 
>> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
>> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be 
>> just audio that goes through them.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
>> 7-dump
>> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
>> eakers
>> .html
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

SV: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Brian Olesen]

HI,
What I think is. They'll have to install a micro USB due to regulations in EU. 
They force all vendors to use the same standard for charging phones from I 
guess primo 2018.
So maybe they'll keep the lightning connector and add an additional usb port.
I'd also be happy for a micro SD card slot as an extra option like all the 
other brands have.

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Hamit Campos
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:21
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Emne: RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail 
Online

Hell to the yeah to that!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:49 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
DailyMail Online

They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want a 
serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. 
Let's think of possibilities and the future. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the 
> Android World to see how that works out ano 2016.
> Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter 
> Scanlon
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
> DailyMail Online
> 
> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular 
> headphhone.
> 
> 
> From: Brian Olesen
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
> DailyMail Online
> 
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up 
> much space.
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin 
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail 
> Online
> 
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be 
> just audio that goes through them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
> 7-dump
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
> eakers
> .html
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> **
>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Hamit Campos]

Ah okay. That's cool. I just was asking a philisofical question I guess.
Suppose it's true and I actually am not too shocked at this I've heard that
idea before. But suppose it does happen and they never ever ever ever bring
it back, then what? All though who knows because this is another guy. This
ain't Steve no more. So if it did happen and there was enough backlash
depending on Tim it might come back on 7S. Because I remember that Steve was
the suck it kind of dude.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:52 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

HI,
As I wrote. Skip this iPhone 7 update. If it comes back, or this information
only is a roomer then off course I'm open to Apple as I am to everything
exciting and interesting.

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Hamit
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Sendt: 10. marts 2016 15:24
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Emne: RE: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

Hmm then will you skip from now on? No more IPhone for you for ever
more? I mean if and that's a big if they really do do it with 7 you know it
ain't coming back.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:
> 
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html
> 
> --
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
> 

RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Hamit Campos]

Hell to the yeah to that!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:49 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
DailyMail Online

They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want a 
serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. 
Let's think of possibilities and the future. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the 
> Android World to see how that works out ano 2016.
> Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter 
> Scanlon
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
> DailyMail Online
> 
> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular 
> headphhone.
> 
> 
> From: Brian Olesen
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
> DailyMail Online
> 
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up 
> much space.
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin 
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail 
> Online
> 
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be 
> just audio that goes through them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
> 7-dump 
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
> eakers
> .html
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> **
>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Hamit Campos]

Dude VR sound would be epic!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

Another thing. What if they make headphones with a lightning connector? What if 
they have two lightning ports on the phone? What if the headphones can monitor 
health data like the Apple watch? What if they can do virtual reality stuff, 
like moving sound as one moves the head? Think. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal  
> wrote:
> 
> Aren’t the I-Phones thin enough already?
> 
> Just don’t put your phone in your trouser pocket, you might snap it.
> 
> 
> Kulvinder Bhogal
> E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
> Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
> 
> Skypename: bobba2006
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 13:42, Hamit Campos  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah they will have to have a blue tooh Ear pod. Right.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Peter Scanlon
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:15 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
>> DailyMail Online
>> 
>> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
>> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular 
>> headphhone.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Brian Olesen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
>> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
>> DailyMail Online
>> 
>> Hi,
>> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
>> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
>> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up 
>> much space.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Brian
>> 
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af 
>> Devin Prater
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily 
>> Mail Online
>> 
>> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
>> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be 
>> just audio that goes through them.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone
>> -7-dump 
>> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-s
>> peakers
>> .html
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

I’m really looking forward to the stereo speakers the article talks about.

As the iPhone line has progressed the quality of the speakers have improved.

I got my old iPhone 3GS out just now and boy, that speaker is absolutely God 
Damn Awful compared to the speaker in the iPhone 6S or the 6.

Now if an iPhone 7 had two of those speakers - the other would obviously go 
where the headphone socket now is - that phone would sound very nice indeed.

The article does talk about stereo speakers being in the 7.


> On 11 Mar 2016, at 5:49 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want 
> a serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. 
> Let's think of possibilities and the future. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-(
>> Now I'll dig into the Android World to see how that works out ano 2016.
>> Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> 
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter
>> Scanlon
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
>> Online
>> 
>> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
>> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
>> headphhone.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Brian Olesen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
>> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
>> Online
>> 
>> Hi,
>> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
>> skip this update and stay with 6S.
>> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
>> space.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Brian
>> 
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
>> Prater
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
>> Online
>> 
>> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
>> do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
>> goes through them. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
>> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
>> .html
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Devin Prater]

Another thing. What if they make headphones with a lightning connector? What if 
they have two lightning ports on the phone? What if the headphones can monitor 
health data like the Apple watch? What if they can do virtual reality stuff, 
like moving sound as one moves the head? Think. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal  
> wrote:
> 
> Aren’t the I-Phones thin enough already?
> 
> Just don’t put your phone in your trouser pocket, you might snap it.
> 
> 
> Kulvinder Bhogal
> E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
> Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
> Skypename: bobba2006
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 13:42, Hamit Campos  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah they will have to have a blue tooh Ear pod. Right.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Peter
>> Scanlon
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:15 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
>> Online
>> 
>> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
>> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
>> headphhone.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Brian Olesen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
>> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
>> Online
>> 
>> Hi,
>> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
>> skip this update and stay with 6S.
>> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
>> space.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Brian
>> 
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
>> Prater
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
>> Online
>> 
>> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
>> do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
>> goes through them. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
>> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
>> .html
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Devin Prater]

They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want a 
serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. 
Let's think of possibilities and the future. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-(
> Now I'll dig into the Android World to see how that works out ano 2016.
> Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter
> Scanlon
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
> Online
> 
> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
> headphhone.
> 
> 
> From: Brian Olesen
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
> Online
> 
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
> skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
> space.
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
> Online
> 
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
> do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
> goes through them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
> .html
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> **
>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

Anyway if that’s what Apple are going to do then hail to them  I have 
the equipment to manage the change and its readily available so no problem.


> On 11 Mar 2016, at 5:18 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal  
> wrote:
> 
> That is as maybe, but my point still stands given that we as humans aren’t 
> given to being the most gentle of creatures for the most part.
> 
> I still think that it is going too far now.
> 
> Manufacturers are just showing off now.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Kulvinder Bhogal
> E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
> Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
> Skypename: bobba2006
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 15:15, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> 
>> The 6S and 6S+ are remarkably strong and robust models, they're actually 
>> thicker than the 6 and 6+ phones were to accommidate that extra steel frame 
>> to make them stronger.
>> 
>> So if we take the headphones socket out we can leave that steel frame or 
>> something similar in place and make the phone thinner? I guess that's what 
>> Apple is thinking about but I'm not surprised that some are making mountains 
>> and of molehills over this, quite amusing actually.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/03/2016 1:02 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
>>> given the prices of the phones, and the problems that are already showing
>>> themselves with some of the thinner and larger models, such as the 6plus for
>>> example, with them being able to get bent so easily, I would say yes, it is
>>> starting to become a problem! when you fork out that much for something, I
>>> think it is reasonable to expect it to last, with out having to treat it so
>>> delicately as you seem to have to with the flimsy stuff that seems to be the
>>> in thing these days. I can certainly think of a good few benefits to having
>>> the phones made a bit thicker.
>>> 1, since we are talking about speakers, I will kick off with that a thicker
>>> phone could very possibly be fitted with a speaker/speakers with a
>>> better/wider frequency response.
>>> 2, a thicker phone could use a considerably higher capacity battery, giving
>>> greatly extended battery life in demanding situations.
>>> and/or 3, a thicker phone would have more room for possibly more storage
>>> memory, and/or a more powerful CPU.
>>> 
>>> Simon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Dane Trethowan" 
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
>>> Online
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The thickness or lack thereof, is that a real problem? There are benefits to
>>> be had, stereo speakers for one thing could be made a great deal of use of,
>>> not just for music but for games, mobility Apps and the phone generally
>>> being a little louder than it is now.
>>> 
>>> To illustrate the point a little if I may, I have an iPad Mini.
>>> 
>>> No, not quite the same as an iPhone given the Mini is a little harder but it
>>> does have stereo speakers whereas my previous iPads didn’t.
>>> 
>>> The sound given that extra speaker was noticed the minute I enabled
>>> Voiceover.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11 Mar 2016, at 12:47 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal
  wrote:
 
 Aren’t the I-Phones thin enough already?
 
 Just don’t put your phone in your trouser pocket, you might snap it.
 
 
 Kulvinder Bhogal
 E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
 Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
 Skypename: bobba2006
 
> On 10 Mar 2016, at 13:42, Hamit Campos  wrote:
> 
> Ah they will have to have a blue tooh Ear pod. Right.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Scanlon
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:15 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |
> DailyMail
> Online
> 
> It reduces thickness by one millimetre.
> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
> headphhone.
> 
> 
> From: Brian Olesen
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
> Online
> 
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so
> I'll
> skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
> space.
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Kulvinder Singh Bhogal]

That is as maybe, but my point still stands given that we as humans aren’t 
given to being the most gentle of creatures for the most part.

I still think that it is going too far now.

Manufacturers are just showing off now.

Regards.

Kulvinder Bhogal
E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
Skypename: bobba2006

> On 10 Mar 2016, at 15:15, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> The 6S and 6S+ are remarkably strong and robust models, they're actually 
> thicker than the 6 and 6+ phones were to accommidate that extra steel frame 
> to make them stronger.
> 
> So if we take the headphones socket out we can leave that steel frame or 
> something similar in place and make the phone thinner? I guess that's what 
> Apple is thinking about but I'm not surprised that some are making mountains 
> and of molehills over this, quite amusing actually.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/03/2016 1:02 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
>> given the prices of the phones, and the problems that are already showing
>> themselves with some of the thinner and larger models, such as the 6plus for
>> example, with them being able to get bent so easily, I would say yes, it is
>> starting to become a problem! when you fork out that much for something, I
>> think it is reasonable to expect it to last, with out having to treat it so
>> delicately as you seem to have to with the flimsy stuff that seems to be the
>> in thing these days. I can certainly think of a good few benefits to having
>> the phones made a bit thicker.
>> 1, since we are talking about speakers, I will kick off with that a thicker
>> phone could very possibly be fitted with a speaker/speakers with a
>> better/wider frequency response.
>> 2, a thicker phone could use a considerably higher capacity battery, giving
>> greatly extended battery life in demanding situations.
>> and/or 3, a thicker phone would have more room for possibly more storage
>> memory, and/or a more powerful CPU.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Dane Trethowan" 
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
>> Online
>> 
>> 
>> The thickness or lack thereof, is that a real problem? There are benefits to
>> be had, stereo speakers for one thing could be made a great deal of use of,
>> not just for music but for games, mobility Apps and the phone generally
>> being a little louder than it is now.
>> 
>> To illustrate the point a little if I may, I have an iPad Mini.
>> 
>> No, not quite the same as an iPhone given the Mini is a little harder but it
>> does have stereo speakers whereas my previous iPads didn’t.
>> 
>> The sound given that extra speaker was noticed the minute I enabled
>> Voiceover.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11 Mar 2016, at 12:47 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aren’t the I-Phones thin enough already?
>>> 
>>> Just don’t put your phone in your trouser pocket, you might snap it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kulvinder Bhogal
>>> E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
>>> Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
>>> Skypename: bobba2006
>>> 
 On 10 Mar 2016, at 13:42, Hamit Campos  wrote:
 
 Ah they will have to have a blue tooh Ear pod. Right.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Peter
 Scanlon
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:15 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List 
 Subject: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |
 DailyMail
 Online
 
 It reduces thickness by one millimetre.
 but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
 headphhone.
 
 
 From: Brian Olesen
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
 Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
 Online
 
 Hi,
 It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so
 I'll
 skip this update and stay with 6S.
 Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
 space.
 
 Best regards
 Brian
 
 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
 Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
 Prater
 Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
 Til: PC Audio Discussion List
 Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
 Online
 
 I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they
 can
 do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio
 that
 goes through them.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
 

SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Brian Olesen]

HI,
As I wrote. Skip this iPhone 7 update. If it comes back, or this information
only is a roomer then off course I'm open to Apple as I am to everything
exciting and interesting.

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Hamit
Campos
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 15:24
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Emne: RE: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

Hmm then will you skip from now on? No more IPhone for you for ever
more? I mean if and that's a big if they really do do it with 7 you know it
ain't coming back.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:
> 
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html
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Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

Don't see any major marches through the streets over this either .



On 11/03/2016 2:36 AM, Merv Keck wrote:

Won't bother me a bit. I am about to purchase the fourth Bluetooth headset in a 
couple of months for the other individual living in this apartment who uses the 
headset on both the iPhone 6S+ and the PC. In the last ten days the individual 
has broken two and the third one was either defective or just a poor choice on 
their part. I suspect both. And that doesn't count the load of ear pods and off 
brand ear buds I supplied for this individual by their request.
So I'm all for Apple razing the standard a little bit.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:23 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail Online

And the Lightning Dock connector is a far more functional connector than the 
Headphones socket is.

Actually the headphones socket used by Apple isn't universal at all, its been 
adapted by Apple to suit there needs.

If you look at an Apple Headphone socket for want of a better description 
you'll see it has extra terminals for the plug for example for one thing.

The Minijack you'll find in your standard walkman device will likely have 3 
terminals, in your standard bedside radio 2 terminals - if its only mono - but 
on the IOS devices it contains 5 terminals and obviously the more terminals 
that are put on one of those plugs then the more flimbsy is the whole 
arrangement.



On 11/03/2016 1:26 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Oh dam. There is that too. I forgot about this since I'm not much of a 
musicion. I'm more into sound stuff.

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
goshawk on horseback
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:14 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily
Mail Online

exactly! the headphone socket was a lot more universal, as it could be used for 
more than just headphones.
a good situation I can think off for example, is that there are now some very 
good musical instrument apps available for the iPhone, which make life a lot 
easier for blind musicians. with the problems, especially the delays associated 
with bluetooth, and the dock/lightning port already being taken up with a music 
keyboard, what is left to get audio from the iPhone in to an amp or mixer? the 
good old headphone socket.

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "Brian Olesen" 
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:00 PM
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily
Mail Online


Hi,
Bluetooth quality lacks in various ways.
It can't transmit uncompressed audio and  there is a slide delay in
time as well.
Toilet paper is more than a hundred years old and is stil being used.
Smile

Bran

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Sendt: 10. marts 2016 14:38
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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the
plug away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I
really wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated
pair of headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound
better than the analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in
design at least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine
how big they’d be if they did.



On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones
so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up
much space.

Best regards
Brian

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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily
Mail Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what
they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be
just audio that goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan


wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone
-
7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-s
p
eakers
.html

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Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

You're pretty much on the mark and I don't think you'll have any 
problems with your Bluetooth headphones whatever, Apple won't be taking 
that step back.




On 11/03/2016 2:34 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
With Apple, they have an obsession with being thin as possible. From 
what I'm told, the standard headphone jack takes up a lot of room, 
when you compare it to something like wireless might take up.  So, 
they want to go with that so the phone will be thinner. and knowing 
them, you'll have to use their specific ear pods. Actually, I'm hoping 
that regular bluetooth will work since I have a few pares of those and 
i can just use that.   Time marches on y'all.
I also agree with another poster, if all this is just too much, 
there's no reason why you can't just stay with the 6 or 6s. I have a 6 
and it works beautifully for me.




On 3/10/2016 10:19 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Famous Last Words .


On 11/03/2016 1:24 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Hmm then will you skip from now on? No more IPhone for you for ever
more? I mean if and that's a big if they really do do it with 7 you 
know it

ain't coming back.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Brian

Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily 
Mail

Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
so I'll

skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up 
much

space.

Best regards
Brian

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Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just 
audio that

goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump 

-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers 


.html

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RE: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail Online

[Merv Keck]

Won't bother me a bit. I am about to purchase the fourth Bluetooth headset in a 
couple of months for the other individual living in this apartment who uses the 
headset on both the iPhone 6S+ and the PC. In the last ten days the individual 
has broken two and the third one was either defective or just a poor choice on 
their part. I suspect both. And that doesn't count the load of ear pods and off 
brand ear buds I supplied for this individual by their request.
So I'm all for Apple razing the standard a little bit.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:23 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail Online

And the Lightning Dock connector is a far more functional connector than the 
Headphones socket is.

Actually the headphones socket used by Apple isn't universal at all, its been 
adapted by Apple to suit there needs.

If you look at an Apple Headphone socket for want of a better description 
you'll see it has extra terminals for the plug for example for one thing.

The Minijack you'll find in your standard walkman device will likely have 3 
terminals, in your standard bedside radio 2 terminals - if its only mono - but 
on the IOS devices it contains 5 terminals and obviously the more terminals 
that are put on one of those plugs then the more flimbsy is the whole 
arrangement.



On 11/03/2016 1:26 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
> Oh dam. There is that too. I forgot about this since I'm not much of a 
> musicion. I'm more into sound stuff.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> goshawk on horseback
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:14 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily 
> Mail Online
>
> exactly! the headphone socket was a lot more universal, as it could be used 
> for more than just headphones.
> a good situation I can think off for example, is that there are now some very 
> good musical instrument apps available for the iPhone, which make life a lot 
> easier for blind musicians. with the problems, especially the delays 
> associated with bluetooth, and the dock/lightning port already being taken up 
> with a music keyboard, what is left to get audio from the iPhone in to an amp 
> or mixer? the good old headphone socket.
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Olesen" 
> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:00 PM
> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily 
> Mail Online
>
>
> Hi,
> Bluetooth quality lacks in various ways.
> It can't transmit uncompressed audio and  there is a slide delay in 
> time as well.
> Toilet paper is more than a hundred years old and is stil being used. 
> Smile
>
> Bran
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 14:38
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail 
> Online
>
> There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the 
> plug away then the phone can be made thinner.
>
> I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I 
> really wanted to use an older pair of headphones.
>
> A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated 
> pair of headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound 
> better than the analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.
>
> Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in 
> design at least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine 
> how big they’d be if they did.
>
>
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
>> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
>> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up 
>> much space.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Brian
>>
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af 
>> Devin Prater
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily 
>> Mail Online
>>
>> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
>> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be 
>> just audio that goes through them.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone
>> -
>> 7-dump
>> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-s
>> p

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Chris Skarstad]

With Apple, they have an obsession with being thin as possible. From 
what I'm told, the standard headphone jack takes up a lot of room, when 
you compare it to something like wireless might take up.  So, they want 
to go with that so the phone will be thinner. and knowing them, you'll 
have to use their specific ear pods. Actually, I'm hoping that regular 
bluetooth will work since I have a few pares of those and i can just use 
that.   Time marches on y'all.
I also agree with another poster, if all this is just too much, there's 
no reason why you can't just stay with the 6 or 6s. I have a 6 and it 
works beautifully for me.




On 3/10/2016 10:19 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Famous Last Words .


On 11/03/2016 1:24 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Hmm then will you skip from now on? No more IPhone for you for ever
more? I mean if and that's a big if they really do do it with 7 you 
know it

ain't coming back.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily 
Mail

Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
so I'll

skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just 
audio that

goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump 

-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers 


.html

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Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

And the Lightning Dock connector is a far more functional connector than 
the Headphones socket is.


Actually the headphones socket used by Apple isn't universal at all, its 
been adapted by Apple to suit there needs.


If you look at an Apple Headphone socket for want of a better 
description you'll see it has extra terminals for the plug for example 
for one thing.


The Minijack you'll find in your standard walkman device will likely 
have 3 terminals, in your standard bedside radio 2 terminals - if its 
only mono - but on the IOS devices it contains 5 terminals and obviously 
the more terminals that are put on one of those plugs then the more 
flimbsy is the whole arrangement.




On 11/03/2016 1:26 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Oh dam. There is that too. I forgot about this since I'm not much of a 
musicion. I'm more into sound stuff.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of goshawk on 
horseback
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:14 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail Online

exactly! the headphone socket was a lot more universal, as it could be used for 
more than just headphones.
a good situation I can think off for example, is that there are now some very 
good musical instrument apps available for the iPhone, which make life a lot 
easier for blind musicians. with the problems, especially the delays associated 
with bluetooth, and the dock/lightning port already being taken up with a music 
keyboard, what is left to get audio from the iPhone in to an amp or mixer? the 
good old headphone socket.

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "Brian Olesen" 
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:00 PM
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail
Online


Hi,
Bluetooth quality lacks in various ways.
It can't transmit uncompressed audio and  there is a slide delay in time as
well.
Toilet paper is more than a hundred years old and is stil being used. Smile

Bran

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane
Trethowan
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 14:38
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug
away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I
really wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair
of headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than
the analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design
at least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d
be if they did.



On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones
so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up
much space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what
they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be
just audio that goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
eakers
.html

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Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes, delay can be a problem particularly when it comes to speech.

Some Bluetooth devices do have a pronounced problem with delay whilst 
others don't, the delay is there but its less than a quarter of a second.


Perhaps Apple might make the Bluetooth system a little more configurable 
as it is on the Android devices I have here, I can set speech and music 
- along with other audio sources - to go through different channels, 
music say through Bluetooth and speech through the internal speaker of 
the device itself.


Personally I think its only a matter of time before more manufacturers 
of devices ditch the headphones socket in their devices.




On 11/03/2016 1:02 AM, Michael Mote wrote:

I use the Bose OE Sound Link headphones, and the latency is not good at all.
There is quite a delay that is annoying.  That is why I still use my trusty
analog headset for now.  I haven't figured out a way to improve the latency.
I wish I could, because I want to rid myself of as many connections and
wires as possible.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit
Campos
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:41 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Oooo harsh. Ahahahahahhhahaahahahahahaaha. No but seriously. If for what
ever reason I should up grade that means there goes my Bose OE2I head set.
Because they ain't blue tooth. I personally say what evs, I'll just buy the
blue tooth version. No biggy. But for this problem. Money's tight.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:09 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Hi,
Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the Android
World to see how that works out ano 2016.
Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?

Brian


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Scanlon
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

It reduces thickness by one millimetre.
but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
headphhone.


From: Brian Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
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Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html

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Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

Famous Last Words .


On 11/03/2016 1:24 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Hmm then will you skip from now on? No more IPhone for you for ever
more? I mean if and that's a big if they really do do it with 7 you know it
ain't coming back.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
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Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

At this point in time I've only seen one pair of Lightning Digital 
headphones but you can bet we'll see much more and possibly some 
lightning to 3.5MM adapters? Well we'll see.



On 11/03/2016 1:14 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

True this. Also I did forget about the lightning ones. That would sound much 
much better.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:38 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug 
away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I really 
wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair of 
headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than the 
analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design at 
least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d be if 
they did.



On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones
so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up
much space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what
they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be
just audio that goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
eakers
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Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

If you look at the web site it came from the Daily Mail newspaper.

Now to be fair September is a long way off but - if you read the article 
- you'll see that the Mail has had some tipoff's from various papers so 
I'd imagine that the removal of the headphones socket is pretty certain.




On 11/03/2016 1:08 AM, Brian Olesen wrote:

Hi,
How certain are we of this piece of information?
I mean there have often been roomers around that are changed last minute.

Brian

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Emne: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

Hi,
Bluetooth quality lacks in various ways.
It can't transmit uncompressed audio and  there is a slide delay in time as 
well.
Toilet paper is more than a hundred years old and is stil being used. Smile

Bran

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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug 
away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I really 
wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair of 
headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than the 
analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design at 
least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d be if 
they did.



On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones
so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up
much space.

Best regards
Brian

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Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what
they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be
just audio that goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
eakers
.html

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Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

The 6S and 6S+ are remarkably strong and robust models, they're actually 
thicker than the 6 and 6+ phones were to accommidate that extra steel 
frame to make them stronger.


So if we take the headphones socket out we can leave that steel frame or 
something similar in place and make the phone thinner? I guess that's 
what Apple is thinking about but I'm not surprised that some are making 
mountains and of molehills over this, quite amusing actually.




On 11/03/2016 1:02 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:

given the prices of the phones, and the problems that are already showing
themselves with some of the thinner and larger models, such as the 6plus for
example, with them being able to get bent so easily, I would say yes, it is
starting to become a problem! when you fork out that much for something, I
think it is reasonable to expect it to last, with out having to treat it so
delicately as you seem to have to with the flimsy stuff that seems to be the
in thing these days. I can certainly think of a good few benefits to having
the phones made a bit thicker.
1, since we are talking about speakers, I will kick off with that a thicker
phone could very possibly be fitted with a speaker/speakers with a
better/wider frequency response.
2, a thicker phone could use a considerably higher capacity battery, giving
greatly extended battery life in demanding situations.
and/or 3, a thicker phone would have more room for possibly more storage
memory, and/or a more powerful CPU.

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "Dane Trethowan" 
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online


The thickness or lack thereof, is that a real problem? There are benefits to
be had, stereo speakers for one thing could be made a great deal of use of,
not just for music but for games, mobility Apps and the phone generally
being a little louder than it is now.

To illustrate the point a little if I may, I have an iPad Mini.

No, not quite the same as an iPhone given the Mini is a little harder but it
does have stereo speakers whereas my previous iPads didn’t.

The sound given that extra speaker was noticed the minute I enabled
Voiceover.



On 11 Mar 2016, at 12:47 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal
 wrote:

Aren’t the I-Phones thin enough already?

Just don’t put your phone in your trouser pocket, you might snap it.


Kulvinder Bhogal
E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
Skypename: bobba2006


On 10 Mar 2016, at 13:42, Hamit Campos  wrote:

Ah they will have to have a blue tooh Ear pod. Right.

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Scanlon
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:15 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |
DailyMail
Online

It reduces thickness by one millimetre.
but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
headphhone.


From: Brian Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so
I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they
can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio
that
goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html

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Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

Well apart from your suggestion regarding toilet paper and iPhones 
, headphones vary in quality sound too but the iPhone was never 
meant for quality sound anyway, it doesn't use a Lossless Bluetooth 
profile - well not yet at any rate - and if you want quality sound then 
you pay for a better headset whether that be Bluetooth, Analogue or 
anything else.




On 11/03/2016 1:00 AM, Brian Olesen wrote:

Hi,
Bluetooth quality lacks in various ways.
It can't transmit uncompressed audio and  there is a slide delay in time as 
well.
Toilet paper is more than a hundred years old and is stil being used. Smile

Bran

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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug 
away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I really 
wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair of 
headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than the 
analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design at 
least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d be if 
they did.



On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones
so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up
much space.

Best regards
Brian

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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what
they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be
just audio that goes through them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 

wrote:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
eakers
.html

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RE: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail Online

[Hamit Campos]

Oh dam. There is that too. I forgot about this since I'm not much of a 
musicion. I'm more into sound stuff.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of goshawk on 
horseback
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:14 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail Online

exactly! the headphone socket was a lot more universal, as it could be used for 
more than just headphones.
a good situation I can think off for example, is that there are now some very 
good musical instrument apps available for the iPhone, which make life a lot 
easier for blind musicians. with the problems, especially the delays associated 
with bluetooth, and the dock/lightning port already being taken up with a music 
keyboard, what is left to get audio from the iPhone in to an amp or mixer? the 
good old headphone socket.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Olesen" 
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:00 PM
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail 
Online


Hi,
Bluetooth quality lacks in various ways.
It can't transmit uncompressed audio and  there is a slide delay in time as 
well.
Toilet paper is more than a hundred years old and is stil being used. Smile

Bran

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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail 
Online

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug 
away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I 
really wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair 
of headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than 
the analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design 
at least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d 
be if they did.


> On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones
> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up
> much space.
>
> Best regards
> Brian
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
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> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
> Online
>
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what
> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be
> just audio that goes through them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>>
>>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
> 7-dump
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
> eakers
> .html
>>
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RE: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Hamit Campos]

Hmm then will you skip from now on? No more IPhone for you for ever
more? I mean if and that's a big if they really do do it with 7 you know it
ain't coming back.

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

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Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:
> 
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html
> 
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Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail Online

[goshawk on horseback]

exactly! the headphone socket was a lot more universal, as it could be used 
for more than just headphones.
a good situation I can think off for example, is that there are now some 
very good musical instrument apps available for the iPhone, which make life 
a lot easier for blind musicians. with the problems, especially the delays 
associated with bluetooth, and the dock/lightning port already being taken 
up with a music keyboard, what is left to get audio from the iPhone in to an 
amp or mixer? the good old headphone socket.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Olesen" 
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:00 PM
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket |Daily Mail 
Online


Hi,
Bluetooth quality lacks in various ways.
It can't transmit uncompressed audio and  there is a slide delay in time as 
well.
Toilet paper is more than a hundred years old and is stil being used. Smile

Bran

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane 
Trethowan
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 14:38
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail 
Online

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug 
away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I 
really wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair 
of headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than 
the analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design 
at least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d 
be if they did.


> On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones
> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up
> much space.
>
> Best regards
> Brian
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
> Online
>
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what
> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be
> just audio that goes through them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>>
>>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
> 7-dump
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
> eakers
> .html
>>
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>>
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>>
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RE: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Hamit Campos]

True this. Also I did forget about the lightning ones. That would sound much 
much better.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:38 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug 
away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I really 
wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair of 
headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than the 
analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design at 
least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d be if 
they did.


> On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up 
> much space.
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin 
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail 
> Online
> 
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be 
> just audio that goes through them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
> 7-dump 
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
> eakers
> .html
>> 
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Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[goshawk on horseback]

given the prices of the phones, and the problems that are already showing 
themselves with some of the thinner and larger models, such as the 6plus for 
example, with them being able to get bent so easily, I would say yes, it is 
starting to become a problem! when you fork out that much for something, I 
think it is reasonable to expect it to last, with out having to treat it so 
delicately as you seem to have to with the flimsy stuff that seems to be the 
in thing these days. I can certainly think of a good few benefits to having 
the phones made a bit thicker.
1, since we are talking about speakers, I will kick off with that a thicker 
phone could very possibly be fitted with a speaker/speakers with a 
better/wider frequency response.
2, a thicker phone could use a considerably higher capacity battery, giving 
greatly extended battery life in demanding situations.
and/or 3, a thicker phone would have more room for possibly more storage 
memory, and/or a more powerful CPU.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" 
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail 
Online


The thickness or lack thereof, is that a real problem? There are benefits to 
be had, stereo speakers for one thing could be made a great deal of use of, 
not just for music but for games, mobility Apps and the phone generally 
being a little louder than it is now.

To illustrate the point a little if I may, I have an iPad Mini.

No, not quite the same as an iPhone given the Mini is a little harder but it 
does have stereo speakers whereas my previous iPads didn’t.

The sound given that extra speaker was noticed the minute I enabled 
Voiceover.


> On 11 Mar 2016, at 12:47 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal 
>  wrote:
>
> Aren’t the I-Phones thin enough already?
>
> Just don’t put your phone in your trouser pocket, you might snap it.
>
>
> Kulvinder Bhogal
> E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
> Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
> Skypename: bobba2006
>
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 13:42, Hamit Campos  wrote:
>>
>> Ah they will have to have a blue tooh Ear pod. Right.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Peter
>> Scanlon
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:15 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | 
>> DailyMail
>> Online
>>
>> It reduces thickness by one millimetre.
>> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
>> headphhone.
>>
>>
>> From: Brian Olesen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
>> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
>> Online
>>
>> Hi,
>> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so 
>> I'll
>> skip this update and stay with 6S.
>> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
>> space.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Brian
>>
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
>> Prater
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
>> Online
>>
>> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they 
>> can
>> do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio 
>> that
>> goes through them.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
>> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
>> .html
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RE: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Michael Mote]

I use the Bose OE Sound Link headphones, and the latency is not good at all.
There is quite a delay that is annoying.  That is why I still use my trusty
analog headset for now.  I haven't figured out a way to improve the latency.
I wish I could, because I want to rid myself of as many connections and
wires as possible.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit
Campos
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:41 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Oooo harsh. Ahahahahahhhahaahahahahahaaha. No but seriously. If for what
ever reason I should up grade that means there goes my Bose OE2I head set.
Because they ain't blue tooth. I personally say what evs, I'll just buy the
blue tooth version. No biggy. But for this problem. Money's tight.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:09 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Hi,
Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the Android
World to see how that works out ano 2016.
Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?

Brian


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter
Scanlon
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
headphhone.


From: Brian Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:
> 
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html
> 
> --
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
> 

SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Brian Olesen]

Hi,
Bluetooth quality lacks in various ways.
It can't transmit uncompressed audio and  there is a slide delay in time as 
well.
Toilet paper is more than a hundred years old and is stil being used. Smile

Bran

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 14:38
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug 
away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I really 
wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair of 
headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than the 
analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design at 
least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d be if 
they did.


> On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones 
> so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up 
> much space.
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin 
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail 
> Online
> 
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what 
> they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be 
> just audio that goes through them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-
> 7-dump 
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp
> eakers
> .html
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> **
>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

The thickness or lack thereof, is that a real problem? There are benefits to be 
had, stereo speakers for one thing could be made a great deal of use of, not 
just for music but for games, mobility Apps and the phone generally being a 
little louder than it is now.

To illustrate the point a little if I may, I have an iPad Mini.

No, not quite the same as an iPhone given the Mini is a little harder but it 
does have stereo speakers whereas my previous iPads didn’t.

The sound given that extra speaker was noticed the minute I enabled Voiceover.


> On 11 Mar 2016, at 12:47 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal  
> wrote:
> 
> Aren’t the I-Phones thin enough already?
> 
> Just don’t put your phone in your trouser pocket, you might snap it.
> 
> 
> Kulvinder Bhogal
> E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
> Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
> Skypename: bobba2006
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 13:42, Hamit Campos  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah they will have to have a blue tooh Ear pod. Right.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Peter
>> Scanlon
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:15 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
>> Online
>> 
>> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
>> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
>> headphhone.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Brian Olesen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
>> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
>> Online
>> 
>> Hi,
>> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
>> skip this update and stay with 6S.
>> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
>> space.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Brian
>> 
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
>> Prater
>> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
>> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
>> Online
>> 
>> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
>> do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
>> goes through them. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
>> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
>> .html
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Kulvinder Singh Bhogal]

Aren’t the I-Phones thin enough already?

Just don’t put your phone in your trouser pocket, you might snap it.


Kulvinder Bhogal
E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
Skypename: bobba2006

> On 10 Mar 2016, at 13:42, Hamit Campos  wrote:
> 
> Ah they will have to have a blue tooh Ear pod. Right.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Scanlon
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:15 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
> Online
> 
> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
> headphhone.
> 
> 
> From: Brian Olesen
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
> Online
> 
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
> skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
> space.
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
> Online
> 
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
> do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
> goes through them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
> .html
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> **
>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Hamit Campos]

Ah they will have to have a blue tooh Ear pod. Right.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Scanlon
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:15 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
headphhone.


From: Brian Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:
> 
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html
> 
> --
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
> 

RE: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Hamit Campos]

Oooo harsh. Ahahahahahhhahaahahahahahaaha. No but seriously. If for what
ever reason I should up grade that means there goes my Bose OE2I head set.
Because they ain't blue tooth. I personally say what evs, I'll just buy the
blue tooth version. No biggy. But for this problem. Money's tight.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:09 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Hi,
Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the Android
World to see how that works out ano 2016.
Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?

Brian


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter
Scanlon
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
headphhone.


From: Brian Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:
> 
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html
> 
> --
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
> 

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

A very ill considered post, Apple aren’t the only one’s selling Bluetooth 
headphones.


> On 10 Mar 2016, at 11:15 PM, Peter Scanlon  wrote:
> 
> It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
> but they want to make more money by making us by their particular headphhone.
> 
> 
> From: Brian Olesen 
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
> Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail 
> Online
> 
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
> skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
> space.
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
> Online
> 
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
> do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
> goes through them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
> .html
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> **
>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Dane Trethowan]

There’s a very good reason they’re removing the plug, if they take the plug 
away then the phone can be made thinner.

I’m not fazed by such a decision myself as there are work arounds if I really 
wanted to use an older pair of headphones.

A Bluetooth adapter might be one way around it or perhaps a dedicated pair of 
headphones that run from the dock of the iPhone which sound better than the 
analogue phones anyway due to their direct digital design.

Technology  is always changing and those sockets are 50 years old in design at 
least, you don’t see iPhones using valves do you? Imagine how big they’d be if 
they did.


> On 10 Mar 2016, at 10:03 PM, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
> skip this update and stay with 6S.
> Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
> space.
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
> Prater
> Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List
> Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
> Online
> 
> I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
> do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
> goes through them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
> -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
> .html
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> **
>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Brian Olesen]

Hi,
Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-(
Now I'll dig into the Android World to see how that works out ano 2016.
Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter?

Brian


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter
Scanlon
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
but they want to make more money by making us by their particular
headphhone.


From: Brian Olesen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail
Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:
> 
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html
> 
> --
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
> 

Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

[Peter Scanlon]

It reduces thickness by one millimetre. 
but they want to make more money by making us by their particular headphhone.


From: Brian Olesen 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:
> 
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html
> 
> -- 
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
> 

SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail Online

[Brian Olesen]

Hi,
It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll
skip this update and stay with 6S.
Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much
space.

Best regards
Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin
Prater
Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail
Online

I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can
do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that
goes through them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:
> 
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump
-headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers
.html
> 
> -- 
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
>