Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread Bob Shell
On May 9, 2007, at 6:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: The conspiracy theory is that the DEA would traffic in drugs. That's something that would be impossible, this country can't keep secrets that are necessary to national security. How the hell could anyone think the DEA would be able to

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yes, the paranoid schizophrenic circle. What a hoot. On May 10, 2007, at 6:55 AM, Bob Shell wrote: On May 9, 2007, at 6:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: The conspiracy theory is that the DEA would traffic in drugs. That's something that would be impossible, this country can't keep secrets that

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Now you're falling into the conspectus theory trap. If that were true the current congress would be selling tickets. I have a couple of friends who were into black ops. The one who really was doesn't talk about it. The other is a blow hard. Bob Shell wrote: On May 9, 2007, at 6:00 PM,

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
That should be conspiracy theory of course... P. J. Alling wrote: Now you're falling into the conspectus theory trap. If that were true the current congress would be selling tickets. I have a couple of friends who were into black ops. The one who really was doesn't talk about it. The

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread Adam Maas
Ditto. I know quite a few current and ex US military types due to long participation on a certain SF/F publisher's webboard. The publisher in question is a noted publisher of MilSF with several ex-military authors (Baen Books. David Drake, John Ringo and Tom Kratman). Know one guy who will

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
That was the CIA, who have no mandate to stop drug trafficking. About CIA drug trafficking, it's always a question about how much was expediency and how much was sanctioned. Adam Maas wrote: Ditto. I know quite a few current and ex US military types due to long participation on a certain

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread John Sessoms
From: Scott Loveless Adam Maas wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everything not prohibited is mandatory! The only reason drugs were made illegal in the US is because good old J Edgar Hoover

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread David Savage
WTH(ell) does any of this have to do with rootbeer? :-) Cheers, Dave On 5/10/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Scott Loveless Adam Maas wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Someone, I forget who just now, was interested in brewing root beer, I found that the DEA was warning that safrole, (one of the compounds in real root beer), is being used in the production of MDMA, (ecstasy), and we were off to the races... David Savage wrote: WTH(ell) does any of this have

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread Norm Baugher
Dude, I read somewhere that gurgle gurgle gurgle like ganja was legal once but then not legal at the same time dude, but like it was gurgle gurgle gurgle like totally trippy, uh dude I just so totally forgot what I was like saying... Norm John Sessoms wrote: Recreational use of marijuana

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread John Sessoms
From: David Savage WTH(ell) does any of this have to do with rootbeer? :-) Cheers, I have no idea. I was responding to whatever was in the thread when I finally chanced upon it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: 09 May 2007 01:25 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Utah's rather unusual, for exactly that reason. The Latter Day Saints take a dim view of any mind-altering

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob Shell
On May 8, 2007, at 6:07 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Utah at least banned Marijuana because the Mormon Church took a dim view of it's use by Mormons... When I was in college I dated a Mormon girl for a while. She would not drink coffee or smoke tobacco because they are strictly forbidden

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob Shell
On May 8, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Feroze wrote: I think it was a guy called Harry Anslinger, the Commissioner of the US Federal Bureau of Narcotics in the 1930's. He did it to increase funding for his newly formed FBN. Apprently he also worked with the cotton industry to get hemp banned

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob Shell
On May 8, 2007, at 9:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Egad. Sounds like his name should go down in infamy. It has. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread mike wilson
From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/05/08 Tue PM 07:41:36 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Adam Maas wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread mike wilson
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/05/08 Tue PM 08:44:09 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Somebody send some of this stuff to trace. (Who is she anyway??) Distant cousin of N. Hance. Lost relative of Ana Lysis

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Adam Maas
Bob Shell wrote: On May 8, 2007, at 6:07 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Utah at least banned Marijuana because the Mormon Church took a dim view of it's use by Mormons... When I was in college I dated a Mormon girl for a while. She would not drink coffee or smoke tobacco because they

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/9/2007 4:04:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If someone is dying and in great pain, who gives a rat's ass if what you give them might be addictive? Bob = I did hospice with my Mom. The die at home thing. Hospices hand out morphine

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Paul Sorenson
Growing hemp was encouraged during WWII to provide fiber for the manufacture of manilla rope. At the edge of the small town where I grew up there was a mill where they processed the hemp fibers. After the war the buildings were used for canning vegetables, but were referred to by the locals

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Not as annoying as having to press 9 for english (typical in Quebec). Who gets the first eight? William Robb Nobody. It's just Press 9 for English. -Adam -- PDML Pentax

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Wed, 9 May 2007, Paul Sorenson wrote: Growing hemp was encouraged during WWII to provide fiber for the manufacture of manilla rope. At the edge of the small town where I grew up there was a mill where they processed the hemp fibers. After the war the buildings were used for canning

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
The law was passed in 1915. The Church elders, have always taken a dim view of it. I suppose it depends on weather you follow the letter of the law or the spirit. Obviously she believed in following the letter. Bob Shell wrote: On May 8, 2007, at 6:07 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Utah at

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
] Date: 2007/05/08 Tue PM 07:41:36 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Adam Maas wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everything not prohibited

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread mike wilson
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/05/09 Wed PM 02:27:40 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas, any more than I'd believe a word published in Pravda, (obviously

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob Shell
On May 9, 2007, at 10:27 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas, any more than I'd believe a word published in Pravda, (obviously the Russians didn't since with the end of the Soviet Union it too disappeared). PRAVDA is alive and well:

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Adam Maas
Bob Shell wrote: On May 9, 2007, at 10:27 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas, any more than I'd believe a word published in Pravda, (obviously the Russians didn't since with the end of the Soviet Union it too disappeared).

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
say anything they like and no one will oppose them for long. mike wilson wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/05/09 Wed PM 02:27:40 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
The Old Pravda, (Communist Party Organ from 1918-1991) shut down in 1991. It costs a lot less to do an Internet version. I expect that it's readership is not exactly the highest, but then who can tell. I like how the web page describes losing it's Government subsidy and being required to go

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Norm Baugher
LMAO!! Bob W wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Utah's rather unusual, for exactly that reason. The Latter Day Saints take a dim view of any mind-altering substance. ...other than bullshit. --

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas, any more than I'd believe a word published in Pravda, (obviously the Russians didn't since with the end of the Soviet Union it too

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Feroze
I think that herion was banned by the Harrison Act in 1914, by President Wilson. Did you know that herion and asprin was invented by the same guy for Bayer (Diacetylmorphine was first synthesized in 1874 by C.R. Alder Wright, but never used or patented) Bob Shell wrote: On May 8, 2007, at

RE: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob W
Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas, any more than I'd believe a word published in Pravda, (obviously the Russians didn't since with the end

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
, (and believe every one of our rivals is pure of motive, or so it seems). William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas, any more than I'd believe a word published

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: 09 May 2007 22:23 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? I don't need a conspiracy theory for that, but apparently you're willing to believe just about any about the US, (and believe every one of our rivals is pure of motive, or so it seems). Nah, Chavez is a loose canon

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Doug Franklin
William Robb wrote: I like picking on your government for the same reason I kick crutches out from under cripples. Cripples are a tougher target. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't like any government, but unfortunately ours is better than most. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? I don't need a conspiracy theory for that, but apparently you're willing to believe just about any about the US

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote: I don't like any government, but unfortunately ours is better than most. I love you, Pete. -- Scott Loveless www.twosixteen.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/05/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't like any government, but unfortunately ours is better than most. A smart arse would reply: than most what? -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
That's true, they tend to fight back. Doug Franklin wrote: William Robb wrote: I like picking on your government for the same reason I kick crutches out from under cripples. Cripples are a tougher target. ;-) -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Self serving groups pretending to rule in the name of the people of course. Digital Image Studio wrote: On 10/05/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't like any government, but unfortunately ours is better than most. A smart arse would reply: than most what? --

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/9/2007 6:27:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nah, Chavez is a loose canon. You all will take him out soon enough. I like picking on your government for the same reason I kick crutches out from under cripples. William Robb = Easy

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? = Easy targets? One does what one can with the tools available. I can only hit the easy ones. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread graywolf
Yes, and pseudphidrine is, supposedly, used in the manufacture of crack. Hence in North Carolina, at least, it is a semi-controlled substance. You do not need a prescription, but it is kept behind the Rx counter and you are only allowed to buy 3 packs a year (I see nothing keeping you from

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everything not prohibited is mandatory! The only reason drugs were made illegal in the US is because good old J Edgar Hoover blackmailed them into making them illegal so he would not have to disband

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Adam Maas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everything not prohibited is mandatory! The only reason drugs were made illegal in the US is because good old J Edgar Hoover blackmailed them into making them illegal so he

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Scott Loveless
Adam Maas wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everything not prohibited is mandatory! The only reason drugs were made illegal in the US is because good old J Edgar Hoover blackmailed them into

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 12:50:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The banning of Marijuana is at least indirectly related to racism (it was seen as a 'Negro Vice' in the first half of the 20th century). Some are still legal from prescription sources (cocaine is

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Cotty
Somebody send some of this stuff to trace. (Who is she anyway??) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Scott Loveless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 12:50:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The banning of Marijuana is at least indirectly related to racism (it was seen as a 'Negro Vice' in the first half of the 20th century). Some are still legal from

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 2:18:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a drug law timeline showing a ban on the *smoking* of Opium in San Fransisco and Virginia City in 1869. http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/drug_law_timeline.htm = Well,

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread P. J. Alling
I wasn't going to comment, but Cocaine was made illegal much earlier in 1914 by the Harrison Act., and hemp was banned, (in all but name), by the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937, pushed by the BATF, though a number of states banned it earlier, Utah being the first in 1915.. J. Edger had little or

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Utah at least banned Marijuana because the Mormon Church took a dim view of it's use by Mormons... Adam Maas wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everything not prohibited is mandatory! The only

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Bob Shell
On May 8, 2007, at 9:45 AM, graywolf wrote: Everything not prohibited is mandatory! The only reason drugs were made illegal in the US is because good old J Edgar Hoover blackmailed them into making them illegal so he would not have to disband the FBI when prohibition was ended. Orwell had no

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? The banning of Marijuana is at least indirectly related to racism (it was seen as a 'Negro Vice' in the first half of the 20th century). I read somewhere (can't remember where right now) that drug laws

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Odd now how California is about as culturally/racially mixed as anywhere in the US. Probably the most. And how many of you complain that you have to press one for English? William Robb -- PDML Pentax

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Odd now how California is about as culturally/racially mixed as anywhere in the US. Probably the most. And how many of you complain that you have to press one for English

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Adam Maas
Utah's rather unusual, for exactly that reason. The Latter Day Saints take a dim view of any mind-altering substance. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Utah at least banned Marijuana because the Mormon Church took a dim view of it's use by Mormons... Adam Maas wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Not as annoying as having to press 9 for english (typical in Quebec). I've run across some interesting IVR's in the US (English/French/Spanish in more than a few cases, for companies that deal with the US and Canada) -Adam Sounds about right from the little bit of Eastern-Canadian

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread P. J. Alling
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Odd now how California is about as culturally/racially mixed as anywhere in the US. Probably the most. And how many of you complain that you have to press one for English? William Robb -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote: What gets me is when ATM's ask for a language preference, after I have already given them my card. This should be programmed in. The damned card should be encoded with my language preference. the bank already knows it. A few years ago I was trying to sort out an

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread graywolf
Well, I wasn't there, but that is the story I have heard. Of course not all drugs were banned right then. A few had local laws against them before then, and many have been added by the feds since. -graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Feroze
I think it was a guy called Harry Anslinger, the Commissioner of the US Federal Bureau of Narcotics in the 1930's. He did it to increase funding for his newly formed FBN. Apprently he also worked with the cotton industry to get hemp banned because its cheaper than cotton and lasts longer, and

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 5:09:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Odd now how California is about as culturally/racially mixed as anywhere in the US. Probably the most. And how many of you complain that you have to press one for English? William Robb

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:29:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it was a guy called Harry Anslinger, the Commissioner of the US Federal Bureau of Narcotics in the 1930's. He did it to increase funding for his newly formed FBN. Apprently he also worked with

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually Reefer Madness was a response to the understanding that you couldn't control a weed, that grew everywhere, especially with the available budget, (almost nothing). So propaganda was used instead of enforcement. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:29:39 P.M. Pacific

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 7:11:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually Reefer Madness was a response to the understanding that you couldn't control a weed, that grew everywhere, especially with the available budget, (almost nothing). So propaganda was used

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Some may have, but it was propaganda none the less. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2007 7:11:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually Reefer Madness was a response to the understanding that you couldn't control a weed, that grew everywhere,

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 7:36:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some may have, but it was propaganda none the less. Obviously. I was just questioning whether it was deliberate manipulation (disinformation) or whether it originated in belief

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? What gets me is when ATM's ask for a language preference, after I have already given them my card. This should be programmed in. The damned card should be encoded with my language preference. the bank already

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Not as annoying as having to press 9 for english (typical in Quebec). Who gets the first eight? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
At 07:48 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote: Message: 1 Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:20:39 -0400 From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: rootbeer? To: Pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Bob Shell
On May 6, 2007, at 7:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if using the original root but you can't buy it you'll have to collect yourself Are you sure about that? I

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell wrote: On May 6, 2007, at 7:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if using the original root but you can't buy it you'll have to collect yourself Are you

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread P. J. Alling
It's highest concentration is supposed to be in the root bark. But apparently it's worse than I thought it's used in making MDMA. That means it will soon be illegal to even posses... http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/chem_prog/advisories/safrole.htm Bob Shell wrote: On May 6, 2007, at 7:44

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread P. J. Alling
This would make an interesting study. How about a mortality/morbidity study on the number of people per 100,000 of the population who exhibited the type of cancer caused by safrole oil before the 1960 ban on it's human consumption and after. If there's an actual statistically significant

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread David Savage
On 5/7/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Shell wrote: On May 6, 2007, at 7:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if using the original root but you

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread frank theriault
On 5/6/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have a confession to make. I'm a 35 year-old-man and I just don't like beer. There, I said it. snip More beer for me, Dave and Mark! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Rick Womer
A small amount of research has confirmed that crude sassafras extract contains saffrole, which causes liver cancer in rodents. According to the FDA web site, sassafras extract is permitted if prepared thus: Subpart F--Flavoring Agents and Related Substances Sec. 172.580 Safrole-free extract of

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Bob Shell
On May 7, 2007, at 8:14 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's highest concentration is supposed to be in the root bark. But apparently it's worse than I thought it's used in making MDMA. That means it will soon be illegal to even posses...

RE: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Bob W
of yourself as sharing in the ancient rituals of your nomadic Bronze Age ancestors of the steppes. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Shell Sent: 07 May 2007 16:55 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Bob Shell
On May 7, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Bob W wrote: The word Sudafed is derived from 'pseudo ephedrine' - it's a man-made version of ephedrine. Ephedra was the stimulant of choice (alongside poppies and hemp) for the ancient Indo-Europeans, and is thought to have been one of the principle ingredients

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread P. J. Alling
Idiots, government ~ SOP. Bob Shell wrote: On May 7, 2007, at 8:14 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's highest concentration is supposed to be in the root bark. But apparently it's worse than I thought it's used in making MDMA. That means it will soon be illegal to even posses...

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Shell Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? Jeez, penalize everyone because a tiny minority uses something for the wrong reason. Just like the gauntlet I have to run these days to buy Sudafed for my allergies! We are having one hell of a problem with crystal

OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread cbwaters
There are some of you on the list who have spoken out about brewing your own beers. I've even tasted one, thanks to Bill Owens. (By the way, where is Bill these days? ) I have a confession to make. I'm a 35 year-old-man and I just don't like beer. There, I said it. Root Beer though, I like a

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread David J Brooks
Stay a way from the beer cooler in my truck/:-) Dave On 5/6/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some of you on the list who have spoken out about brewing your own beers. I've even tasted one, thanks to Bill Owens. (By the way, where is Bill these days? ) I have a confession to

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 07/05/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a confession to make. I'm a 35 year-old-man and I just don't like beer. There, I said it. LOL, I'm sure no one will hold it against you, they'll just laugh and point ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT)

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if using the original root but you can't buy it you'll have to collect yourself cbwaters wrote: There are some of you on the list who have spoken out about

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Sun, 6 May 2007, P. J. Alling wrote: Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if using the original root but you can't buy it you'll have to collect yourself I've wanted to try some *real*

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Cory Papenfuss Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? On Sun, 6 May 2007, P. J. Alling wrote: Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if using the original root but you

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
I couldn't find the recipe I used but a quick search of the web found this: First, put 5-6 quarts of water into your favorite brew pot, and then add: * 1 oz sarsparilla root * 1 oz sassafras root bark* http://www.forevermore.net/rants/Food+Rants/Root+Beer+Recipe#sassafras * 1

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
The way the FDA tests for carcinogenic compounds is completely biased. Firstly I believe that lab rats are prone to cancer. Beyond that, secondly if the amount of a compound is scaled up to human size you'd have to ingest a boxcar load. I was able to find at least one citation, that an

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
You're wasting your time. There's no alcohol in it:-). Paul On May 6, 2007, at 7:20 PM, cbwaters wrote: There are some of you on the list who have spoken out about brewing your own beers. I've even tasted one, thanks to Bill Owens. (By the way, where is Bill these days? ) I have a

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread graywolf
It is sort of like the neutrasweet test they did. Came out the dosage in the rats was the equivalent of a human drinking 200 bottles of diet soda a day. Almost anything is poisonous in large enough quantities, even water. P. J. Alling wrote: The way the FDA tests for carcinogenic compounds is