On 14/6/08, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed:
* The 1:1 finder is something you have to try to know how freeing it is.
It allows you to have both eyes open, framelines floating in space. When
focusing is critical, or in low-light and the rangefinder image is a bit
dim, I close my right
At 01:23 PM 13/06/2008, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Ok then. Have it your way, believe whatever it is you want to
believe, whether right or wrong. Carry on bitching about something
you know little about, that few if any of you have even touched never
mind experienced for yourself.
I'm done with this
Subject: Re: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test
Ok then. Have it your way, believe whatever it is you want to
believe, whether right or wrong. Carry on bitching about something
you know little about, that few if any of you have even touched never
mind experienced for yourself.
I'm done
frank theriault wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I think he inadvertently summed it up with this: The Leica M3 of the
1950's was an instant success, not because Leica held to quaint design
and outdated technology (i.e. the M8's removable
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:22 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
frank theriault wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I think he inadvertently summed it up with this: The Leica M3 of the
1950's was an instant success, not because Leica
On 13/6/08, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:
This photographer should understand that and get over it, then modify his
style to accommodate it, if he wants to use autoexposure that is. Or he can
just work as sports and news traditionally did, precalculate his exposure,
and precalculate
On Jun 12, 2008, at 11:47 PM, David Savage wrote:
Time to up your HRT dosage.
Not entirely sure I'm interested in listening to more HRT
http://www.hrtrocks.com/
but thanks for the music recommendation.
What it might have to do with the stupidity of implying the Leica M8
sucks with no
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or he should try the R-D1 :)
So, seriously, Cotty.
I know you're not a war photographer, but you've used an R-D1 for some
time now, and you seem more than satisfied with it.
Presumably you've read Kambers report. How do you
frank theriault wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or he should try the R-D1 :)
Presumably you've read Kambers report. How do you think the R-D1
would stack up vis-a-vis his complaints of the M8? Buffer, low light,
white balance, colour correction,
On 13/6/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
Presumably you've read Kambers report. How do you think the R-D1
would stack up vis-a-vis his complaints of the M8? Buffer, low light,
white balance, colour correction, auto exposure and all that?
Crickey. You want blood don't you.
Cotty wrote:
On 13/6/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
Presumably you've read Kambers report. How do you think the R-D1
would stack up vis-a-vis his complaints of the M8? Buffer, low light,
white balance, colour correction, auto exposure and all that?
Crickey. You
Film rangefinders are instant on and shoot.
When one of my nephews played around with my M3 he stared at in
confusion for a while, then asked how do you switch it on?.
Bob
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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have no complaints, but then
again, I'm not shooting by the light of a surge of static electricity on
the arse of a gnat attached to a coalition pilot's ear at 265mph, 30
feet over the dunes at midnight.
MARK!
for the record:
That works for many.
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Subject: Re: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test
On 13/6/08, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:
This photographer
I've read the first page, and will read the rest but I found it Ironic
that he complains about the way the M8 works on a web page that doesn't
display or resize properly in Firefox, a web browser that handles HTML
standards better than any other...
Bruce Walker wrote:
A fascinating look into
He is a war photographer not a web designer :o)
On 6/12/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've read the first page, and will read the rest but I found it Ironic
that he complains about the way the M8 works on a web page that doesn't
display or resize properly in Firefox, a web browser
I finished reading the article, and he has a reason to be unhappy.
Unfortunately I've come to the conclusion that no manufacturer really
makes cameras for photographers anymore, they make them for accountants
and marketeers it the devices just happen to take pictures so much the
better. Not
P. J. Alling wrote:
I've read the first page, and will read the rest but I found it Ironic
that he complains about the way the M8 works on a web page that doesn't
display or resize properly in Firefox, a web browser that handles HTML
standards better than any other...
What do journalists
I guess it sucks to be an M8 owner.
(Complaints at Pentax are minor by comparison.)
My take, don't buy an electronic camera from the premier mechanical camera maker
Regards, Bob S.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Bruce Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A fascinating look into *really* real world
Scott Loveless wrote:
P. J. Alling wrote:
I've read the first page, and will read the rest but I found it Ironic
that he complains about the way the M8 works on a web page that doesn't
display or resize properly in Firefox, a web browser that handles HTML
standards better than any other...
Interesting read, thanks for posting.
Ya think he'll be on Leica's christmas list?
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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From: Bruce Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test
A fascinating look into *really* real world use of photo
Lump of coal for sure...
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting read, thanks for posting.
Ya think he'll be on Leica's christmas list?
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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From: Bruce Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I think he inadvertently summed it up with this: The Leica M3 of the
1950's was an instant success, not because Leica held to quaint design
and outdated technology (i.e. the M8's removable bottom plate) in a
misplaced
Bruce: Thanks so much for posting this. It was an excellent read. I
learned tons from it! Cheers, Christine
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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:22 AM
Subject: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test
On Jun 12, 2008, at 8:22, Bruce Walker wrote:
A fascinating look into *really* real world use of photo equipment ...
http://web.mac.com/kamberm/Leica_M8_Field_Test,_Iraq
Wow! How disappointing, frustrating, aggravating that must be.
-Charles
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I finished reading the article, and he has a reason to be unhappy.
Unfortunately I've come to the conclusion that no manufacturer
really
makes cameras for photographers
My thoughts too, Bob. The E-1 is a professionally capable axe like my
Nikon F3/T+MD-4 was, and more capable in several ways.
And actually the Leica M8 is another photographer's camera ... it's
just not designed as appropriate for combat conditions, which the
TotL Olympus, Nikon and Canon
I also find it somewhat ironic that an article which criticises
Leica for poor usability has the extremely stupid return to top
to change pages at the bottom of each page.
Why not just replicate the selection bar, for heavens sake? It
would take up no more space than the current design,
On
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My thoughts too, Bob. The E-1 is a professionally capable axe like my
Nikon F3/T+MD-4 was, and more capable in several ways.
And actually the Leica M8 is another photographer's camera ... it's
just not designed as
On Jun 12, 2008, at 12:37 PM, frank theriault wrote:
Well, whether it was designed to be a war photographer's tool or not,
it's low-light capabilities are shocking, and rather sad given Leica's
legacy of lenses such as the Noctilux.
It sounds like it's just a horrible camera at virtually any
On Jun 12, 2008, at 14:52, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
It's worth nothing that both the Olympus E-1 and Panasonic L1 bodies,
which are often disparaged for high ISO noise, etc, I find to be
surprisingly good at low light work.
c/nothing/noting
:-)
Or at least I hope that's what you meant!
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The M8 may indeed have its limitations, but to call it a horrible
camera at virtually any price is way overboard. snip
I said it ~sounds~ like a horrible camera at virtually any price,
and of course, I'm going by
frank theriault wrote:
Geez, I've got a first-generation Pentax digital body that does a lot
better than his in virtually every problem that he mentions...
Yep, the usability issues sound pretty terrible. The remove the bottom
plate to swap memory cards thing is inexcusable. It sounds like
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
frank theriault wrote:
Geez, I've got a first-generation Pentax digital body that does a lot
better than his in virtually every problem that he mentions...
Yep, the usability issues sound pretty terrible. The remove the
On Jun 12, 2008, at 1:38 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
frank theriault wrote:
Geez, I've got a first-generation Pentax digital body that does a lot
better than his in virtually every problem that he mentions...
Yep, the usability issues sound pretty terrible. The remove the
bottom
plate to
I'm kinda surprised that this combat photojournalist would consider
an M8 as appropriate to his field work after using a loaner. I could
tell immediately from fooling with it at the store that it fits in
the class of use that the K10D and L1 fit in, not the kind of bash
around rugged piece
Anthony Farr wrote:
This guy has forgotten how to check settings.
The cad! Surely those nice insurgents would be willing to hold their
fire whilst he does so?
This guy is a long time, award winning photojournalist who knows what
he's doing more than most of us can ever hope to.
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Mark Roberts wrote:
The cad! Surely those nice insurgents would be willing to hold their
fire whilst he does so?
This guy is a long time, award winning photojournalist who knows what
he's doing more than most of us can ever hope to.
In the good / bad old days of film:
You checked that
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From: Anthony Farr
Subject: RE: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test
I'm not talking about you of course, Mark, because I don't recall you ever
bitching and moaning about the onerous burden of using a modern camera.
The guy isn't bitching about using a modern camera, he
Christine Aguila wrote:
Bruce: Thanks so much for posting this. It was an excellent read. I
learned tons from it! Cheers, Christine
Glad you enjoyed it, Christine!
BTW: I saw the pointer to that article on the always interesting Daring
Fireball blog
http://daringfireball.net/.
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From: Anthony Farr
Subject: RE: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test
I'm not talking about you of course, Mark, because I don't recall you
ever
bitching and moaning about the onerous burden of using
photographers.
Regards,
Anthony Farr
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From: Anthony Farr
Subject: RE: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test
I'm not talking about you of course, Mark, because I don't
recall you
ever
bitching and moaning about the onerous burden of using a modern
camera.
The guy isn't
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