Coming out from under the bed, Alan?
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
No, more a case of this list is to busy without my ramblingsas well!
I agree with what you say, but it was an interesting experiment that for
this one time worked.
I love photography but I do not think
There is much debate as to the evolutionary origins of color perception
in humans. A commonly held theory is that color vision allowed humans
to find fruit, and improving nutrition always has a strong evolutionary
pressure. (Most think the subtle reliance on judging skins tones for
signs of
: Col or mono with digital (was: Re: I want to start a WAR)
It has always been possible to do a BW print from color negative film
(I think that Kodak made Panalure (?) paper specifically for this. A
color negative records each of the colors separately. So it has the same
information as a BW
In a message dated 1/15/2003 11:40:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There is much debate as to the evolutionary origins of color perception
in humans. A commonly held theory is that color vision allowed humans
to find fruit, and improving nutrition always has a strong
want to start a WAR)
I printed a BW picture from a colour neg . I tried it just for fun one
night.
The only thing I had to do was to change the grade of the print.
I know that I am still a mere beginner but it turned out to be a picture
that I am proud of and the people in it wanted copies.
Interesting re tones vs colors. Been thinking more about that. I bet that is
the often the basis for a preference for BW or color. (Well, in the answers
to Cotty's q about BW, other reasons are also given).
Marnie,
Yes, I think everybody has given valid reasons. The problem with color is
that
you are using color negative film for both prints.
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
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Interesting re tones vs colors. Been thinking more about that. I bet
that is
the often the basis for a preference for BW or color. (Well, in the
answers
to Cotty's q about BW, other reasons are also given
Darn Mike, you have to quit that, here I am agreeing with you again. When an
Artsy and a Techy agree something is basically wrong with their thinking.
Well, y'see, Tom, I'm pretty techy for an Artsy, and you're pretty artsy for
a Techy. So we kinda lean towards splitting the difference.
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IF you are photographing something to show what it means, the colors
that also show in the picture are random. If, on the other hand, you are
looking for color and that's why you shoot the picture, then
COLOR YES, BW NO.
JCO
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From: Bob Rapp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:59 AM
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Hi all,
Would you purchase, form a gallery, a digital print produced by a
digital printer for the
Nothing, nothing invites the eye to investigate a picture more than Black
and White. Color intoxicates the eye and the mind and one normally does not
look critically at the image.
Bob
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COLOR YES, BW NO.
is unacceptable compared
to the far superior conventional BW prints.
JCO
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Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:48 AM
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Subject: Re: I want to start a WAR
Nothing, nothing invites the eye to investigate
And.. What I am saying is exactly the same thing (regarding BW). What I am
also saying is that Color prints do not invite the eye to look closer. BW,
35mm or larger) deliver a crisper image than Color, format for format.
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From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did
In a message dated 1/13/2003 5:42:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And.. What I am saying is exactly the same thing (regarding BW). What I am
also saying is that Color prints do not invite the eye to look closer. BW,
35mm or larger) deliver a crisper image than Color,
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Yes, I can see why people like BW photos and like using BW film -- for
the abstraction -- but my vision isn't BW and never has been, so they
always look like they are lacking something to me. In newspapers and books
that don't print a lot of
Doe aka Marnie (alright if I call you Aka for short?) writes:
But I find BW boring. Put some color photos next to BW photos and my eye
will skip right over the BW to the color
This led me to do some thinking relating to digital.
When shooting film, one makes a cognitive decision to load either
Cotty,
I think you can add more fuel to the fire. A while back I was
requested to shoot BW for a client and so I went to my lab (Agfa
D-Labs) to see what BW film they work best with. They told me to
shoot color and the D-Lab would de-saturate. So I brought in a bunch
of negatives of different
Hi Marnie...
This is an interesting comment. I have another, somewhat anecdotal example
of the opposite viewpoint. My mom, a high school arts teacher in a small,
rural community recently brought her photography students to an exhibit of
some of Ansel Adam's BW work here in Portland. The exhibit
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Van: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Onderwerp: Col or mono with digital (was: Re: I want to start a WAR)
Doe aka Marnie (alright if I call you Aka for short?) writes:
But I find BW boring. Put some color photos next to BW photos
In a message dated 1/13/2003 12:58:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This led me to do some thinking relating to digital.
When shooting film, one makes a cognitive decision to load either colour
or black and white film into the camera, usually based on anticipation of
In PS, using Channel Mixer, output to Gray, you can get any typical BW
filter effect you want. A little work with Curves and you can get just
about any look. There will always reasons to shoot BW film, but they
won't necessarily be to just get a BW image.
BR
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Cotty,
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With digital, this decision is made after the shots are made. This
invites a whole new way of thinking. Framing for colour and framing for
mono can be totally different. Seeing a result in glorious colour can
easily dissuade removing the colour
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I like the flexibility: now I go out sometimes with three bodies, one
filled
with B+W, one with IR and one with colour or slide!
What you lose in the process is typical grain. Who said that grain is the
brushstroke of the photographer?
Greetings,
Your right Herb, and I'm quite sure that in future digital camaras will have
a switch to select infra red modes I hope that it will show the
beautifull combination of infra red sensitivity plus grain and the halos as
is given now by the Kodak infra red film.
Greetings, Jos
-Oorspronkelijk
In a message dated 1/13/2003 7:18:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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have you seen Ansel Adam's color work? if you have not, i highly recommend
it. he may be known for his BW work, but he continually experimented with
color but never published much of it because he felt he
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Ohh, neat. I didn't know that he had even shot color. Thanks for the
info. Now I am intrigued and will definitely look for it. I will be curious
to see how similar/different it was to/from his BW.
Doe aka Marnie :-)
i think it is a lot
my vision isn't BW and never has been, so they always look like they are
lacking something to me. In newspapers and books that don't print a lot of
color, okay. But even that has changed over time.
Gee, Marnie, up till now I liked you! s
Just kidding. Actually I respect your viewpoint, even
On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 02:58 AM, Bob Rapp wrote:
Hi all,
Would you purchase, form a gallery, a digital print produced by a
digital printer for the same money as one printed on conventual paper?
Bob Rapp
Yes.
Dan Scott
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