Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-28 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/5/17, John, discombobulated, unleashed: >I may bite the bullet and >buy a MacBook. Have you considered one from the Apple Refurb Store? Worth searching out - they are guaranteed as the new ones and savings are generally good over brand new. I've bought Apple Refurb a few times (iPad

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-28 Thread Steve Cottrell
If I may hold up a flag for actually cost-effective Macs? I bought my 2012 MacBook Pro about 3 years ago, used. No warranty. I paid half the brand new price and I have been using it professionally ever since editing video for broadcast news, as well as all the other stuff that we need computers

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-28 Thread John
On 5/28/2017 11:49, Henk Terhell wrote: I would think it is cheaper and safer to buy a new Windows 10 PC than a linux PC with comparable performance. Then install linux on a partition if you like and keep your Photoshop on Windows10. The problem with that is the computer would then be infected

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-28 Thread Henk Terhell
I would think it is cheaper and safer to buy a new Windows 10 PC than a linux PC with comparable performance. Then install linux on a partition if you like and keep your Photoshop on Windows10. I have a couple of older desktops and a laptop which are solely running linux distros (Debian,

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-28 Thread Rick Womer
I bought my current MBP in January 2009. I've replaced the battery 3 times, switched from a spinny HDD to an SSD, and upgraded the OS a few times. That's it. It's my only work computer. It's in my backpack when it's not in its docking station at work or on my desk at home. Zero failures in 9+

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-28 Thread Jostein Øksne
Ah. Roger that. Good thing that DVD R/W drives for USB exists... Bruce is right about the plethora of options. Most of them will do "the job", but I guess price is strongly correlated to lifetime expectancy. Jostein Den 27. mai 2017 23.18.06 CEST, skrev John : >No.

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Eric Weir
> On May 27, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > I have tried to run Linux as a desktop machine and it's a huge > productivity killer and "world of hurt". I spent more time tweaking > and twiddling things and trying to find out why stuff I took for > granted in a

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Larry Colen
John wrote: I may find a Linux laptop that meets my needs. I may bite the bullet and buy a MacBook. Note that with WWDC in about a week, it may be prudent to wait a couple of weeks to order a new mac, as they might announce new models, lower prices on old ones etc. However, with the

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread John
I don't expect EVERYTHING to be pre-configured; just the Operating System. I'm *BUYING* a package - laptop with OS installed. It doesn't matter which OS is installed, Windows, OS X or Linux. I expect "up and running" support. If the vendor doesn't supply that, I'll buy from a vendor who does. I

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread mike wilson
Memory upgradeability, for hungry apps, is probably the only real hardware issue for older appliances. My Aspire One netbook used to be "make a cup of tea, properly" slow from a cold start on XP. Now, it's about 40 seconds from pressing the button to opening Firefox. > On 27 May 2017 at 23:46

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Richard Klein
If you want everything preconfigured and you don't want to do it yourself, I'm not sure Linux is the best choice for you. With that said, I think Dell sells computers with Linux preinstalled. I'd guess it's Red Hat Linux, but I haven't checked. I use and love Linux. I've also had good luck with

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Jostein Øksne
My primary concern was RAM requirements for WINE... :-) Jostein Den 27. mai 2017 23.09.48 CEST, skrev mike wilson : >If it ran W7, it should fly with UBUNTU. My laptop was sluggish with >XP and >works just fine under LINUX. > >> On 27 May 2017 at 15:26 Jostein

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Larry Colen
Paul Stenquist wrote: Cheaper is a valid point. But I can't recall the last time I had a problem with my Mac systems. They're pretty much bullet-proof these days. Most disturbing for me would be trying to control color management workflow for printing. The lack of color management was

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread John
If I have to replace the Toshiba, I'm going to *BUY* a laptop that already has Linux installed from a vendor that will at least give me "up & running" support. I'll let them worry about the "distro". I'm trying to put some thought into it before I start spending my money. I need a web browser

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Cheaper is a valid point. But I can't recall the last time I had a problem with my Mac systems. They're pretty much bullet-proof these days. Most disturbing for me would be trying to control color management workflow for printing. Paul via phone On May 27, 2017, at 5:22 PM, mike wilson

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread mike wilson
Pull the drives, stick them on a dock to extract any data that you need. Reinstall them and put on your distro. Put the data back. Kapow! A laptop that will run better than it ever did with W7 for the sum of, Oh! nothing! The bonus is freeing yourself from the Adobe yoke. George Melly said

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread mike wilson
> On 27 May 2017 at 20:17 Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > Why? 1. It's infinite orders of magnitude cheaper. (Not everyone can offset their computer-related purchases against tax) 2. You get more serious problems with Windows and Apple stuff anyway. And you've paid (mightily)

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread John
No. If I have to replace the Toshiba I'm looking for new hardware with Linux already installed. If possible I want to be able to install & run my existing licensed copy of Photoshop CS5 on the new Linux machine. On 5/27/2017 10:26, Jostein wrote: Hi John, If I read you right, you exclude Apple

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Toralf Lund
On 27/05/17 16:09, John wrote: [ .. ] So I'm thinking about a Linux laptop. Which means either GIMP for image editing or trying to run PhotoShop on WINE. I know there are some Linux users here, maybe even a Guru or two. I mostly use Linux; CentOS 6 and 7 distributions. It's where I do

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread mike wilson
If it ran W7, it should fly with UBUNTU. My laptop was sluggish with XP and works just fine under LINUX. > On 27 May 2017 at 15:26 Jostein wrote: > > > Hi John, > If I read you right, you exclude Apple on price, and a new Microsoft > machine because of past experience with

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Bruce Walker
I agree, Paul. That's why as a photographer, I use a Mac for all my computing needs. I have tried to run Linux as a desktop machine and it's a huge productivity killer and "world of hurt". I spent more time tweaking and twiddling things and trying to find out why stuff I took for granted in a

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
The only way I'd get a Linux laptop would be if they were giving them away. Why deal with the below outlined difficulties. I guess it's good choice for an open source developer, but I would think it's an awful choice for a photographer. Paul via phone > On May 27, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Larry

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Larry Colen
John wrote: So I'm thinking about a Linux laptop. Which means either GIMP for image editing or trying to run PhotoShop on WINE. There is also Corel aftershot, which used to be known as Bibble pro. Also, someone just posted a link to rawtherapee. I know there are some Linux users here,

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Bruce Walker
If you think that selecting a new camera from scratch is hard -- so many choices with hundreds of tiny detailed differences between them -- just wait until you start selecting a Linux distro to run. Heh! Good luck. The Gimp is somewhere near Ps CS3 in ability lately. I expect it would suit you.

Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

2017-05-27 Thread Jostein
Hi John, If I read you right, you exclude Apple on price, and a new Microsoft machine because of past experience with Win 10. But this Linux thing... Do you expect to reuse your existing hardware for that? Jostein Den 27.05.2017 16.09, skrev John: Haven't needed to use my current laptop