Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread .timbercode
I have no first-hand experience with the lens in topic, but so far my experience with mirror lens is they are mostly soft. Of course there are differences, for example the f5.6/500 Rubinar is almost sharp (well let's say it's sharp as the Canon kit lenses :D) and f8/500 Phoenix is nowhere near

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread P. J. Alling
It's a Sigma Ultra Tel, I've seen one for sale on e-Bay a few years ago. It went for a lot of money. They are relatively rare, probably fewer were made than the Vivitar Series 1 450mm solid cat, there were only 800 of those made. They have a reputation of being very, very, very good.

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 15, 2007, at 9:44, Thibouille wrote: 500f/4 mirror ? I'd be heaviliy suprised of a F/4 mirror lens. Those are usually 500/600mm f/8 or 300/350mm f/5.6. Did you look at the photo he linked to? Says 1:4 f=500mm right on the front of it. And there is a big handle on the top too, for

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread .timbercode
Depends how you define sharp :D Mirror bokeh is fine with me :D I like donuts! For me real sharpness starts around the 2.8/80 Biometar (the kit lens for Pentacon Six TL). Or you can use the Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar f2.8/180 for P6 or f3.5/135 Sonnar. I highly doubt any mirror lens will be able

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: .timbercode Subject: Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications I have no first-hand experience with the lens in topic, but so far my experience with mirror lens is they are mostly soft. Of course there are differences, for example

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread P. J. Alling
It's huge dude. Thibouille wrote: No no I thought that it was a shot taken with that lens which wouldn't helped much IMO so I didn't (how stupid) check. That's the first time I see this, hence I'm indeed very surprised. It'd be cool to see it attached to a camera to have a better idea of

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: From: .timbercode Depends how you define sharp :D Mirror bokeh is fine with me :D I like donuts! Sharp is defined as having high resolution. sharpness is really a combination of resolution and acutance. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread Paul Crovella
sharpness is a bourgeois concept -hcb Mark Roberts wrote: William Robb wrote: From: .timbercode Depends how you define sharp :D Mirror bokeh is fine with me :D I like donuts! Sharp is defined as having high resolution. sharpness is really a combination of resolution and acutance.

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread .timbercode
Could you give some samples? .t William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: .timbercode Subject: Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications Depends how you define sharp :D Mirror bokeh is fine with me :D I like donuts! Sharp is defined

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread P. J. Alling
My Vivitar S1 600mm solid cat seems, to me at least to lack contrast, but is also very sharp. This can often be easily fixed in Photoshop, though in certain circumstances the the donut bokeh is a bit disturbing. Mark Roberts wrote: William Robb wrote: From: .timbercode Depends

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications Is there an optical reason why a mirror lens can't achieve high resolution? I wouldn't think so. As Bill said, the only real drawback is the bokeh

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread .timbercode
Thanks! Take your time :D .t William Robb wrote: I'll have to dig the thing out and shoot something with it, I don't have anything at hand from it. Give me a day or two. It will be interesting to see if it is as good on digital as I recall it being on film. William Robb -- PDML

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread Thibouille
I think mirror lens have the realyl advantages (well more or less) of being: * portable (but a bit too much, they are too lightweight for the focal length IMO and as such difficult to stabilize). In the end you still need a tripod which kinda negates the argument. * cheap. and I think this is

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread pnstenquist
PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: .timbercode Subject: Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications Depends how you define sharp :D Mirror bokeh is fine with me :D I like donuts! Sharp is defined as having high resolution. William Robb

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: .timbercode Subject: Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications Could you give some samples? I'll have to dig the thing out and shoot something with it, I don't have anything at hand from it. Give me a day or two

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: .timbercode Subject: Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications Depends how you define sharp :D Mirror bokeh is fine with me :D I like donuts! Sharp is defined as having high resolution. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread Thibouille
500f/4 mirror ? I'd be heaviliy suprised of a F/4 mirror lens. Those are usually 500/600mm f/8 or 300/350mm f/5.6. On Nov 15, 2007 1:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do have a Simga 500mm F.4.0 mirror lens, which is sort of heavy and I do like it. Here is a link to to a photo of it on my

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications Sharp is defined as having high resolution. sharpness is really a combination of resolution and acutance. I knew that. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-15 Thread 272yb
I do have a Simga 500mm F.4.0 mirror lens, which is sort of heavy and I do like it. Here is a link to to a photo of it on my photo.net page.There are three photos of it on that pageJoe http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5771640 -- Original message --

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-15 Thread Thibouille
No no I thought that it was a shot taken with that lens which wouldn't helped much IMO so I didn't (how stupid) check. That's the first time I see this, hence I'm indeed very surprised. It'd be cool to see it attached to a camera to have a better idea of the size of the whole thing. -- Thibault

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-15 Thread 272yb
There is a photo of it next to a 300mm F4.0 Pentax A Lens and a 16-45 Pentax Lens. This should show it's size. There is also a a few photos taken with it of cars parked in a lotJoe -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a Sigma

Re: Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Christian
Roman Melihhov wrote: http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/600_8_mirror Anyone uses Sigma 600mm mirror lense? SR should help with shake. Judging from other birding photos I saw bokeh isnt so nice, but somehow reminds me DA 16-45mm bokeh, yeah this DA lense too has this weird donut type

Sigma 600mm f/8.0 Mirror Lens Sample Photos and Specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Roman Melihhov
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/600_8_mirror Anyone uses Sigma 600mm mirror lense? SR should help with shake. Judging from other birding photos I saw bokeh isnt so nice, but somehow reminds me DA 16-45mm bokeh, yeah this DA lense too has this weird donut type out-of focus highlights... Your