Here, even if it is yours!
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
Same here, unless it's yours...
Regards,
Bob...
From: Rob
frank theriault wrote:
[...]
So, what has all this to do with this thread? Well, when a catcher
moves up the line to block the plate, it's within the rules for a base
runner to run over him to get to home. Rose was within the rules of
the game.
BUT, it was an All Star (exhibition) game. It
-Original Message-
From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
Sorry if I was misunderstood but I still hold that there is a big
difference between following the rules
Thanks Frank, I wholeheartedly agree.
Don
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From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:05:18 -0600, Don Sanderson
[EMAIL
Can I quote you on that?
-Original Message-
From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Nov 10, 2004 9:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
And a very good quote it is too. Such a magnificent quote is just what
we expect from such a
towering presence
Tom C wrote:
***Basically***, the only things that are against the ***strictly
enforced*** rules on e-bay are receiving money for an item and not
delivering it to the buyer, or buying an item and not delivering the funds
to the seller (which in the end deprives the seller of nothing but his
JC,
I've had similar experiences over my last 5+ years on eBay.
Some people are just ...
But right now I'm certain there are people wondering about me.
I've got a Fujinon-W 125mm lens listed but no pic. (dpconsult.com)
And I've not had time to post it. (Wrecked the wife's car last night, for
Don Sanderson wrote:
If he has a low rating it's probably A.
If he has a high rating it's probably B.
As a seller I always *pretend* it's C. :-(
B
I agree with your comment on C
Malcolm
Don Sanderson wrote:
Most sellers are OK, but there definitely are some major A-Holes too!
There are some real nice people out there but I have had a *problem* buyer
this week. Here's the story; I sold an item very cheaply with a faulty
display (which I mentioned in HUGE print in the listing).
Don,
Pulling the auction in the last 10 minutes is a frequent trick of
JVinkus in Palos, Illinois. Ebay is a willing accomplice. All traces
of the listing just disappear before your eyes. You're watching it
and the listing disappears then the item disappears from your My Ebay
page. I won't
Seller of all time
Don Sanderson wrote:
Most sellers are OK, but there definitely are some major A-Holes too!
There are some real nice people out there but I have had a *problem* buyer
this week. Here's the story; I sold an item very cheaply with a faulty
display (which I mentioned in HUGE
Seems to me the issue here is with ebay allowing the asking prices/shipping
prices to be changed after the initial post.
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From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
After I told him I would buy the items if they
were fully
listings to the end.
If *I* screw up then I take it on the chin,
I don't expect buyers to suffer for my boo boo's. ;-)
Don
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From: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller
Hi Sally!
-Original Message-
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Nov 10, 2004 4:36 AM
To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
On 9/11/04, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed:
Comments Please! Has anyone ever heard or seen or experienced
On 10/11/04, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, unleashed:
The other is an auction I won for an LX body for $289.00.
The response from the seller was: Sorry, I meant to end this
auction early, I won't sell it for that price. I tried to get
eBay to intervene but she told them the reason for her delay
of fair and honest sellers :)
-Original Message-
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
After I told him I would buy the items if they
were fully working BUT BEFORE he sent me the
reply stating they were working OK he raised the
starting bid
Why is sniping rude?
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The nature of eBay is greedy. It inspires greed in lots of people - both
buyers and sellers. It's possible to go over the top in both camps. As
for the ethical implications, you could say that 'sniping'
On 10/11/04, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
Why is sniping rude?
Why is sniping rude... Hmmm. Well, I don't specifically think it is per
se, as I do it almost exclusively unless I can't babysit an auction.
I think that some might find it rude because if you went to a real life
I don't think its rude. I usually bid my maximum amount just as the
auction is about to end. If the auction worked this way, i.e., all bids
were secret until the auction ended, revealing the winning bid, it would
be more ideal, but then ebay wouldn't make as much money. Frantic
buyers
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To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:34:39 +
On 10/11/04, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
Why is sniping rude?
Why is sniping rude... Hmmm. Well, I don't specifically think it is per
se, as I do
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To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
On 10/11/04, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
Why is sniping rude?
Why is sniping rude... Hmmm. Well, I don't specifically think it is per
se, as I do it almost
Then at what point would the auction actually end? Bids could, in theory,
go on indefinitely, certainly for quite a while.
Shel
From: David Zaninovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ebay could easily fix this by extending the end of the auction
for 5 minutes after the last bid but they obviously
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
Ebay could easily fix this by extending the end of the auction for 5
minutes after the last bid but they obviously choose not to do that. It
could be a seller option, they could even charge for it as it would
drive the price up
Newbie!
D
-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:08 AM
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
On 10/11/04, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, unleashed:
The other is an auction I won for an LX body
10:35 AM
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
On 10/11/04, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
Why is sniping rude?
Why is sniping rude... Hmmm. Well, I don't specifically think it is per
se, as I do it almost exclusively unless I can't babysit an auction
It would end when the last person willing to bid won the auction.
That's how live auctions work. Usually the
time extended is about 10 seconds but the on line world is different.
There are drawbacks to everything.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Then at what point would the auction actually end? Bids
Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
Then at what point would the auction actually end? Bids could, in theory,
go on indefinitely, certainly for quite a while
Cotty wrote:
Help me out here people. Anyone think sniping is rude ? If so, why?
No, not rude at all. If you are going to snipe something, it's obvious that
you are certain (even if no bids present) that this item will attract
interest - possibly a great deal. Bidding early with your limit is
-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Nov 10, 2004 11:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
Why is sniping rude?
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The nature of eBay is greedy. It inspires greed
On 10/11/04, Kenneth Waller, discombobulated, unleashed:
Hey guys, lets keep the quotes straight, I never said
The nature of eBay is greedy. It inspires greed in lots of people - both
buyers and sellers. It's possible to go over the top in both camps. As
for the ethical implications, you
Hi,
Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 5:05:05 PM, Shel wrote:
Then at what point would the auction actually end? Bids could, in theory,
go on indefinitely, certainly for quite a while.
that's how real auctions work. No auctioneer is going to stop the
auction while bids are coming in. That's the
Because ebay auctions end on a specified date at a specified time, all
bids are really semi-confidential best and final offers to buy a product
wherein the final sale price is determined to be a fixed amount above the
next highest bid. This is as opposed to a real auction wherein the bidding
There have been live auctions. One I used would run until there had not
been a bid for 2 minutes...Some auctions would run for a 1/2 hour after
the published close.
John Graves
Peter J. Alling wrote:
It would end when the last person willing to bid won the auction.
That's how live auctions
H just a question, what do you guys think that would happen if
e-bay were offering sniping services themselves ? i.e. at the moment
you want to place a bid, you get a menu asking:
a) place the bid now so that everybody can see it
b) place the bid now but do not show it to anyone and
EBay's goal is to make money. Their stockholders expect them to be running a
business and making money. To this end, it's in eBay's interest that:
1.Buyers generally believe that they are paying less than market value
and...
2.Sellers generally believe they are receiving better than
and activate it at
the auction's end
This is already offered by at least one site!
John
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From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:57:00 -0500
Subject: E-bay sniping (was Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time)
H
On 10/11/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed:
There! Now I've had my ranting and raving for a month. I feel better.
Back on the meds Bob ;-)
Cheers,
Cotty
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Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't think it's rude at all, just the way eBay works.
Not so much the way eBay works as the way human nature works. If
everyone did the sensible thing and just bid the maximum amount they
were *really* willing to pay, there would be no need for, or
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: E-bay sniping (was Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time)
H just a question, what do you guys think that would happen if
e-bay were offering sniping services themselves ? i.e. at the moment
you want to place a bid, you get a menu asking:
a) place
It would make it easier to snipe. :) I never bid until the last moment.
Tom C.
From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: E-bay sniping (was Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:57:00 -0500
H just a question, what
A couple points:
1. Ebay has clear and simple rules. You don't have to like them, but
that's irrelevant.
No one is an asshole or whatever, if he plays by the rules. Changing
the starting
bid is *clearly* allowed by the rules. There's no point in whining.
2. Ebay is, in a sense, a marktplace for
picking a would be equivalent to stating that someone has more money
than brains.
best,
mishka
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:57:00 -0500, Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
H just a question, what do you guys think that would happen if
e-bay were offering sniping services themselves ? i.e. at
Use BIN.
Then, if he insists on additional charges, point him
that it's against the auction policy. That's usually enough to
make a seller change his mind *after the fact*.
If that doesn't do the trick, you have to either agree to his charges,
or contact ebay and don't pay at all. Ebay will be
rules or not, I don't do them
because I like to sleep at night.
I use the same philosophy in buying and selling on eBay.
Don
-Original Message-
From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all
On 10 Nov 2004 at 18:44, Don Sanderson wrote:
None of these are against the rules, but they would
qualify me as a grade A ass!
I don't do these things, not because I care a whit about
whether I'm breaking rules or not, I don't do them
because I like to sleep at night.
I use the same
1. if you one is a seller(buyer) dealing with the same 10 people
every day, i bet he's pretty considerate to them as well. that's
called business relationship and firms tend to spend quite a bit
of $ maintaining them.
2. i am wondering how considerate one would have been if he
had had a
Exactly what are you denied? Is it information about the other bidder?
Exactly why are you ENTITLED to any information about him? How, exactly, are
you hurt or inconvenienced?
If you bid your maximum and it's higher than the sniper's bid, you win. If
you bid your maximum and it's lower than
Same here, unless it's yours...
Regards,
Bob...
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 10 Nov 2004 at 18:44, Don Sanderson wrote:
None of these are against the rules, but they would
qualify me as a grade A ass!
I don't do these things, not because I care a whit about
whether I'm breaking
And a very good quote it is too. Such a magnificent quote is just what
we expect from such a
towering presence such as yourself. Why it leaves me absolutely
speechless in the glow of it's
simplicity as utter profundity. (I'd say more but even now my fingers
grow weary with the very
power of
Here's a quote for you:
E-bay is a bourgeois trick.
Tom Cakalic - 2004
From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:22:46 -0500
And a very good quote it is too. Such a magnificent
All is true except the that sniping removes the foolishness.
Bob Blakely wrote:
EBay's goal is to make money. Their stockholders expect them to be
running a business and making money. To this end, it's in eBay's
interest that:
1.Buyers generally believe that they are paying less than market
and being honorable.
If you will carefully check MY eBay feedback you will see
that I at least *try* for the latter.
Don
-Original Message-
From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:05:18 -0600, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob, you apparently missed the fact that I was responding to
Mishka's comment that as long as you play by the rules you
aren't an ass or whatever. snip
In 1970, Pete Rose was at the height of his career. Charlie Hustle
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:05:18 -0600, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob, you apparently missed the fact that I was responding to
Mishka's comment that as long as you play by the rules you
aren't an ass or whatever.
i seriously doubt that someone can be an ass from every POV.
e.g. if you
***Basically***, the only things that are against the ***strictly
enforced*** rules on e-bay are receiving money for an item and not
delivering it to the buyer, or buying an item and not delivering the funds
to the seller (which in the end deprives the seller of nothing but his time,
and other
On Nov 11, 2004, at 6:05 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
That wouldn't work because then no one would bid at all until
the live auction kicked in at the end.
That's true but only to a certain extent. An NZ-based auction site I
use allows auto-extend as an option for the seller. I recently
I have a new ebay story that needs telling because
it is absolutely incredible and needs to be
shared. I still cant believe it but
it is TRUE and may be a good warning to future
ebay buyers out there.
I saw an ebay item which consisted of a mediocre SLR camera and 3
decent lenses ( item doesn't
Hey there,
I have not had that happen to me yet. It seems
incredibly rude and unethical. Too bad you can't
leave him negative feedback.
However, the other one that still really bothers me is
when a seller says that anyone paying by PayPal will
have to pay for the additional fees charged by
Steve Pearson wrote:
Hey there,
I have not had that happen to me yet. It seems
incredibly rude and unethical. Too bad you can't
leave him negative feedback.
Pretty amazingly awful. But there are some
nasty buyers out there, too.
However, the other one that still really bothers me is
===
From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
Hey there,
I have not had that happen to me yet. It seems
incredibly rude and unethical. Too bad you can't
leave him
what do you mean by he raised the price? did he raise the reserve?
or BIN?
i am not even aware that one could change the conditions of an auction once
a bid is placed.
best,
mishka
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:20:08 -0500, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a new ebay story that needs
: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time
what do you mean by he raised the price? did he raise the reserve?
or BIN?
i am not even aware that one could change the conditions of an auction
once a bid is placed.
best,
mishka
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004
Mishka wrote:
what do you mean by he raised the price? did he raise the reserve?
or BIN?
i am not even aware that one could change the conditions of an auction once
a bid is placed.
best,
mishka
I dont think a bid was placed, Mishka.
ann
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:20:08 -0500, J. C.
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