Re: 31/1.8 vs Sigma 35/1.4 art

[Boris Liberman]

Larry,

Good friend of mine has Sigma lens in Canon mount. He's using it on 5dmk3.
The results are excellent. Wide open center sharpness is really good. The
rendering of this lens is also very pleasing to his and actually to my eye
as well.

So if you really need 1.4 over 1.8, you cannot really go wrong with Sigma.

As for ergonomics, I suggest you visit a closest to you camera store and
give it a try.

Good luck with your hunt.
Boris

On 19 Oct 2016 08:13, "Larry Colen"  wrote:

I do a lot of my photography in really low light. The 2/3 stop between
f/1.8 and f/1.4 doesn't seem like much, but when you're talking the
difference between 1/13 and 1/20 Second, it can be a huge difference.
Similarly, doing night landscapes, the 2/3 stop can be a big deal with star
motion in the background.

Does anyone have experience with both the 31 limited and the 35 art? I
can't justify buying the faster lens without selling the 31.  It's been a
workhorse lens for me, particularly since it was my only fast "standard" in
APS.

I've heard good things about the sigma, and even if it isn't as sharp in
some situations, the faster aperture would make an even bigger difference
in others.

   LRC

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Re: PESO -- Winter in waiting.

[Alan C]

Someone has work to do.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: P.J. Alling

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:39 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO -- Winter in waiting.

I started out today to do a real shooting test of the "new" f 70-210,
but didn't actually shoot anything with it.  I did however get this:

https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/Peso%20--%20winterinwaiting.html

which is a fall reprise of this:

https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/Peso%20--%20waitingforspring.html

I gave the fall photo the full DXO filmpack Kodachrome 64 treatment.  It
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Re: Photo Vest

[Alan C]

Were you wearing a Gorilla suit?

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Bipin Gupta

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:46 PM
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Subject: Photo Vest

Watch carefully again Igor. Not only is the guy suffering as you say,
but even the Baby with him.
Watch the expression on the baby's face??

Regards.
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Re: PESO: Old School

[Alan C]

So is it Unreal or Surreal? Looks like the Middle East.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Daniel J. Matyola

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 5:50 AM
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Subject: PESO: Old School

I've been away for several days, on a trip to Santra Fe, with a group of
my college classmates and their spouses.

There was a lot to see, and to photograph.  Most relied completely on their
smart phones.  Of the 80 plus in attendance, only 2 of us used real
cameras.  This is the other one:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18301477
Comments are invited.


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Re: PESO: Old School

[P.J. Alling]

At least he was shooting Pentax.  K-7 thru 3?

On 10/19/2016 11:50 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

  I've been away for several days, on a trip to Santra Fe, with a group of
my college classmates and their spouses.

There was a lot to see, and to photograph.  Most relied completely on their
smart phones.  Of the 80 plus in attendance, only 2 of us used real
cameras.  This is the other one:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18301477
Comments are invited.


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Re: PESO: Old School

[Larry Colen]

Did he also start off with a Spotmatic?

On October 19, 2016 8:50:40 PM PDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>I've been away for several days, on a trip to Santra Fe, with a group
>of
>my college classmates and their spouses.
>
>There was a lot to see, and to photograph.  Most relied completely on
>their
>smart phones.  Of the 80 plus in attendance, only 2 of us used real
>cameras.  This is the other one:
>
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18301477
>Comments are invited.
>
>
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>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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PESO: Old School

[Daniel J. Matyola]

 I've been away for several days, on a trip to Santra Fe, with a group of
my college classmates and their spouses.

There was a lot to see, and to photograph.  Most relied completely on their
smart phones.  Of the 80 plus in attendance, only 2 of us used real
cameras.  This is the other one:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18301477
Comments are invited.


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Adorama just sent me a missive about new NIkon lenses

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and my nose started to bleed spontaneously...


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PESO -- Winter in waiting.

[P.J. Alling]

I started out today to do a real shooting test of the "new" f 70-210, 
but didn't actually shoot anything with it.  I did however get this:


https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/Peso%20--%20winterinwaiting.html

which is a fall reprise of this:

https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/Peso%20--%20waitingforspring.html

I gave the fall photo the full DXO filmpack Kodachrome 64 treatment.  It 
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Re: OT I stumbled across this looking for something completely different...

[Bruce Walker]

That doesn't work either. :)

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:12 PM, John  wrote:
> Pick the outcome you want and work your way backwards, swimming upstream as
> it were.
>
> On 10/19/2016 1:33 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Amusing, but For Entertainment Only as they warn on DVD intros. When I
>> follow the chart properly I end up at F/64 Redux which misses by
>> considerably more than a country mile.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:04 PM, P.J. Alling 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, so maybe it isn't off topic.
>>>
>>> http://blakeandrews.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/photo-flo-chart.html
>>>
>>>



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Re: PESO: The Moon in Perigee

[Paul Stenquist]

Yep. I'll try again if the weather cooperates. No that yet another moon pic is 
of value, but it's fun. I might use my A2X-S converter rather than the DA 1.4 X 
to get to 900mm.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 8:15 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> I read that next month's full moon will be even closer & subsequently
> appear even larger.
> 
>> On 10/19/2016 10:46 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Paul Stenquist 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Dan. I replaced the original with a different frame that was
>>> exposed at a lower ISO and with a bigger ap. Finally had time to
>>> sort through the shots.
>> 
>> It's a lovely moon shot.
>> 
>> I was driving home last evening just as it was rising through the
>> trees as I headed down the expressway. It was a HUGE liquid disk of
>> Moon rising through light haze and some clouds into clear air …
>> absolutely fabulous to see! I felt the urge to pull out the 600mm and
>> big tripod, but all the drama was over by the time I arrived home. Ah
>> well, it remains nicely stored in my memory. :-)
>> 
>> G
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Re: PESO: The Moon in Perigee

[John]

I read that next month's full moon will be even closer & subsequently
appear even larger.

On 10/19/2016 10:46 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:


Thanks Dan. I replaced the original with a different frame that was
exposed at a lower ISO and with a bigger ap. Finally had time to
sort through the shots.


It's a lovely moon shot.

I was driving home last evening just as it was rising through the
trees as I headed down the expressway. It was a HUGE liquid disk of
Moon rising through light haze and some clouds into clear air …
absolutely fabulous to see! I felt the urge to pull out the 600mm and
big tripod, but all the drama was over by the time I arrived home. Ah
well, it remains nicely stored in my memory. :-)

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Re: OT I stumbled across this looking for something completely different...

[John]

Pick the outcome you want and work your way backwards, swimming upstream 
as it were.


On 10/19/2016 1:33 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Amusing, but For Entertainment Only as they warn on DVD intros. When I
follow the chart properly I end up at F/64 Redux which misses by
considerably more than a country mile.


On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:04 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

Ok, so maybe it isn't off topic.

http://blakeandrews.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/photo-flo-chart.html


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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

[ann sanfedele]

Why do you think I declined??? :-)

ann


On 10/19/2016 7:13 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/19/2016 8:27 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Bill when did you print the color one?  I remember the BW vividlybut not
a huge color one .. hmmm


It was printed long before you visited.  What did you think I meant 
when I asked if you wanted to see the pictures on my bedroom wall?





ann


On 10/19/2016 8:12 AM, Bill wrote:

On 10/18/2016 8:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Bill, I was thinking of writing you and suggesting you use your photo
for the next pug... I remember it very well - since Brian is using
somethingelse. DO IT.


Unfortunately, the only Pentax content in that one is the spot-meter I
used. That was shot with the Tachihara 4x5 using a Nikkor lens. I
think I got away with that once, but only because I was running the
PUG at the time.


Brian and all, I stayed a couple of nights Chez Robb in 2005 and
remember the gorgeous BW print - yes, quite similar from point of view
toBrians..


Thank you. I have a 20x24 colour print of it in the bedroom as well. I
shot it on both chrome and B If there is still some daylight after
I get home, I will take a digital capture of one or the other and post
it.

bill



ann


On 10/18/2016 8:11 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/18/2016 4:04 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd
rather
use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.

So, here's the black & white version:

http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html

The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.

Thoughts?


That's hilarious. I've got almost exactly the same picture (mines
better though), that I shot when we were vacationing in that area 
some

30 years ago. My shot is probably a mile or two back on the road.

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Re: fall

[Mark Roberts]

Igor PDML-StR wrote:

>
>Dave,
>
>Some beautiful Fall colors!
>(Also in the larger gallery).
>
>It is these colors that I are reminding me why I was liked using Agfa 
>film.
>I liked going to New England mid-October for those colors. Haven't done 
>that for some long time...

You should come up next weekend. We've got John Coyle coming to Boston
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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

[Bill]

On 10/19/2016 8:27 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Bill when did you print the color one?  I remember the BW vividlybut not
a huge color one .. hmmm


It was printed long before you visited.  What did you think I meant when 
I asked if you wanted to see the pictures on my bedroom wall?





ann


On 10/19/2016 8:12 AM, Bill wrote:

On 10/18/2016 8:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Bill, I was thinking of writing you and suggesting you use your photo
for the next pug... I remember it very well - since Brian is using
somethingelse. DO IT.


Unfortunately, the only Pentax content in that one is the spot-meter I
used. That was shot with the Tachihara 4x5 using a Nikkor lens. I
think I got away with that once, but only because I was running the
PUG at the time.


Brian and all, I stayed a couple of nights Chez Robb in 2005 and
remember the gorgeous BW print - yes, quite similar from point of view
toBrians..


Thank you. I have a 20x24 colour print of it in the bedroom as well. I
shot it on both chrome and B If there is still some daylight after
I get home, I will take a digital capture of one or the other and post
it.

bill



ann


On 10/18/2016 8:11 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/18/2016 4:04 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd
rather
use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.

So, here's the black & white version:

http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html

The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.

Thoughts?


That's hilarious. I've got almost exactly the same picture (mines
better though), that I shot when we were vacationing in that area some
30 years ago. My shot is probably a mile or two back on the road.

bill














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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

[Gonz]

Nice shot.  I do like the B better.  But it looks maybe a bit too
dark on my monitor.


On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> Thanks Igor & DAve.
>
> The range of comments were more than I expected - thanks to all.
>
> I think the B version might be the preferred choice by a whisker.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016, at 01:25 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>>
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I like both versions.
>> Regarding your question about the B one: I see B alright on my
>> screen,
>> but I would have boosted the exposure just a bit.
>>
>> I am not sure which version is better. At first, I saw only the B, and
>> couldn't figure out where the color version was. And I thought B was
>> probably superior.  Then I just clicked on the forward arrow. And liked
>> the color one as well. But they are very different.
>> The color version reminds me of the impression I had from Badlands
>> National park, when we came there shortly before the sunset: I thought
>> "Martian Chronicles" should be shot there.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Igor
>>
>>
>> Brian Walters Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:05:58 -0700 wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
>> use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
>> afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.
>>
>>
>> So, here's the black & white version:
>>
>> http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html
>>
>> The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
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Photo Vest

[Bipin Gupta]

Watch carefully again Igor. Not only is the guy suffering as you say,
but even the Baby with him.
Watch the expression on the baby's face??

Regards.
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camp: Thornhill, Ontario.

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Re: Peso - 'Carp River'

[Mark C]

Quintessential fall color shot, Ken.

On 10/3/2016 2:59 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
Captured on film awhile back, probably with a PZ1-P and 70-210 f4-5.6 
SMC Pentax F.


This scene is in the Porcupine State Park in the Western part of the 
Upper Peninsula of Michigan.


Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

[Brian Walters]

Thanks Igor & DAve.

The range of comments were more than I expected - thanks to all.

I think the B version might be the preferred choice by a whisker.


Cheers

Brian

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> 
> 
> Brian,
> 
> I like both versions.
> Regarding your question about the B one: I see B alright on my
> screen, 
> but I would have boosted the exposure just a bit.
> 
> I am not sure which version is better. At first, I saw only the B, and 
> couldn't figure out where the color version was. And I thought B was 
> probably superior.  Then I just clicked on the forward arrow. And liked 
> the color one as well. But they are very different.
> The color version reminds me of the impression I had from Badlands 
> National park, when we came there shortly before the sunset: I thought 
> "Martian Chronicles" should be shot there.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> Brian Walters Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:05:58 -0700 wrote:
> 
> I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
> use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
> afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.
> 
> 
> So, here's the black & white version:
> 
> http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html
> 
> The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian


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Re: PESO - Photo Vest

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent! A great moment, beautifully rendered.
Paul
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
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Re: PESO: The Moon in Perigee

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Godfrey. The closer to the horizon, the more interesting the atmospheric 
effects, but sharpness is lost. I just shot when I happened to notice that the 
moon was visible from my front yard, but I think I lucked out in getting some 
of the close to the horizon color but not a lot of atmospheric distortion.

Paul
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Dan. I replaced the original with a different frame that was exposed 
>> at a lower ISO and with a bigger ap. Finally had time to sort through the 
>> shots. 
> 
> It's a lovely moon shot. 
> 
> I was driving home last evening just as it was rising through the trees as I 
> headed down the expressway. It was a HUGE liquid disk of Moon rising through 
> light haze and some clouds into clear air … absolutely fabulous to see! I 
> felt the urge to pull out the 600mm and big tripod, but all the drama was 
> over by the time I arrived home. Ah well, it remains nicely stored in my 
> memory. :-)
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Re: PESO - Photo Vest

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Marco Alpert wrote:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso23.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.


That more than makes up for the one I didn't care for so much.




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Re: PESO Orb Spider

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Igor PDML-StR wrote:


HAR!
That's a nice one, Bruce!

Larry:

Com'on! What you are saying is that if your calculator is broken, two
numbers cannot be added correctly.
You can still tune the colors if they are present in the RAW file. Yes,
it might take longer time, but it is possible. But if they are not
there, no grey card would help you getting them back.

Or, are you talking about setting the WB prior to shooting, as opposed
to post-processing? Even in that case, in most situations, it is
possible to do that in post, except for some bizarre, "pathological" cases.


OK, yes it is in theory possible.  However, I have not had any luck 
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Re: PESO Orb Spider

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HAR!
That's a nice one, Bruce!

Larry:

Com'on! What you are saying is that if your calculator is broken, two 
numbers cannot be added correctly.
You can still tune the colors if they are present in the RAW file. Yes, it 
might take longer time, but it is possible. But if they are not there, no 
grey card would help you getting them back.


Or, are you talking about setting the WB prior to shooting, as opposed to 
post-processing? Even in that case, in most situations, it is possible to 
do that in post, except for some bizarre, "pathological" cases.


Igor



 Bruce Walker Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:43:00 -0700 wrote:

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Not having shot a grey card can make it hard to make sure the colors are
accurate, or more difficult to get the rendering your want. But it does
not change whether the colors come through or not.


Not doing it can make the white and gold dress look blue and black.



The clothing must be in another shot. In these the spider looks to be nude.

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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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> Igor PDML-StR wrote:
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>> Not having shot a grey card can make it hard to make sure the colors are
>> accurate, or more difficult to get the rendering your want. But it does
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> Not doing it can make the white and gold dress look blue and black.

The clothing must be in another shot. In these the spider looks to be nude.

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Re: OT I stumbled across this looking for something completely different...

[Bruce Walker]

Amusing, but For Entertainment Only as they warn on DVD intros. When I
follow the chart properly I end up at F/64 Redux which misses by
considerably more than a country mile.


On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:04 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> Ok, so maybe it isn't off topic.
>
> http://blakeandrews.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/photo-flo-chart.html
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Re: PESO - Photo Vest

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If in color the vest passenger would
likely have a red face. :-)
J

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> On Oct 19, 2016, at 8:52 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> ha!  that's terrific, Marco
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 10/19/2016 10:58 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso23.html
>> 
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Ok, so maybe it isn't off topic.

http://blakeandrews.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/photo-flo-chart.html


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Re: PESO Orb Spider

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Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Larry,

The first photo is very good. The second one can benefit from some
trimming, but I am not sure if even that would help with that bright
thing in the left bottom corner. I'd try to spot-treat it to tune down
the brightness of that object.


Good idea, I used the gradient tool on it.



Sorry, but I find that logic (quoted below) faulty.
Not having shot a grey card can make it hard to make sure the colors are
accurate, or more difficult to get the rendering your want. But it does
not change whether the colors come through or not.


Not doing it can make the white and gold dress look blue and black.



Igor


Larry Colen Tue, 18 Oct 2016 17:21:07 -0700 wrote:

We had a particularly pretty orb spider in the front yard. This one was
a lot redder/oranger than most of ours, unfortunately the color doesn't
really come through, I forgot to shoot a grey card.



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RE: PESO - Photo Vest

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Marco Alpert wrote:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso23.html


It's almost two stories in the same picture; the concentration of the camera
phone picture photographer, yet isolated below you could see the child
trying to get more air as he looks tightly packed in...

Great image!

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Re: fall

[Igor PDML-StR]

Dave,

Some beautiful Fall colors!
(Also in the larger gallery).

It is these colors that I are reminding me why I was liked using Agfa 
film.
I liked going to New England mid-October for those colors. Haven't done 
that for some long time...


Cheers,

Igor


David J Brooks Tue, 18 Oct 2016 06:34:51 -0700 wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1093814


6 shots from my recent atv trip and fall colour shots. I will do a
gallery but its big. This is for Cotty.:=_

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Re: PESO - Photo Vest

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ha!  that's terrific, Marco

ann


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PESO - Photo Vest

[Igor PDML-StR]

Fully vested.

PS. The guy's facial expression is indicating he is suffering.
Maybe be he needs a real camera? ;-)


Marco Alpert Wed, 19 Oct 2016 07:59:59 -0700 wrote:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso23.html


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Re: PESO - The Night Market

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Thanks to Ann, Malcolm, Jack and Larry for the comments. Much appreciated, as 
always.

m

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I see you've gotten to the NY shots...
> 
> I like the three figures going from sharp, to slightly blurred, to ghost
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 10/18/2016 1:58 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso22.html
>> 
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Re: PESO: The Moon in Perigee

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On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> Thanks Dan. I replaced the original with a different frame that was exposed 
> at a lower ISO and with a bigger ap. Finally had time to sort through the 
> shots. 

It's a lovely moon shot. 

I was driving home last evening just as it was rising through the trees as I 
headed down the expressway. It was a HUGE liquid disk of Moon rising through 
light haze and some clouds into clear air … absolutely fabulous to see! I felt 
the urge to pull out the 600mm and big tripod, but all the drama was over by 
the time I arrived home. Ah well, it remains nicely stored in my memory. :-)

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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

[Igor PDML-StR]

Brian,

I like both versions.
Regarding your question about the B one: I see B alright on my screen, 
but I would have boosted the exposure just a bit.


I am not sure which version is better. At first, I saw only the B, and 
couldn't figure out where the color version was. And I thought B was 
probably superior.  Then I just clicked on the forward arrow. And liked 
the color one as well. But they are very different.
The color version reminds me of the impression I had from Badlands 
National park, when we came there shortly before the sunset: I thought 
"Martian Chronicles" should be shot there.


Cheers,

Igor


Brian Walters Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:05:58 -0700 wrote:

I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.


So, here's the black & white version:

http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html

The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.

Thoughts?


Cheers

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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

[ann sanfedele]

Bill when did you print the color one?  I remember the BW vividlybut not 
a huge color one .. hmmm


ann


On 10/19/2016 8:12 AM, Bill wrote:

On 10/18/2016 8:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Bill, I was thinking of writing you and suggesting you use your photo
for the next pug... I remember it very well - since Brian is using
somethingelse. DO IT.


Unfortunately, the only Pentax content in that one is the spot-meter I 
used. That was shot with the Tachihara 4x5 using a Nikkor lens. I 
think I got away with that once, but only because I was running the 
PUG at the time.


Brian and all, I stayed a couple of nights Chez Robb in 2005 and
remember the gorgeous BW print - yes, quite similar from point of view
toBrians..


Thank you. I have a 20x24 colour print of it in the bedroom as well. I 
shot it on both chrome and B If there is still some daylight after 
I get home, I will take a digital capture of one or the other and post 
it.


bill



ann


On 10/18/2016 8:11 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/18/2016 4:04 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd 
rather

use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.

So, here's the black & white version:

http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html

The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.

Thoughts?


That's hilarious. I've got almost exactly the same picture (mines
better though), that I shot when we were vacationing in that area some
30 years ago. My shot is probably a mile or two back on the road.

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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

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perfect on my screen - but I always keep the sun away from my computer

ann


On 10/19/2016 3:20 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 03:40 PM, David Mann wrote:

Love it but it does look quite dark on my screen, in a bright room with
the late afternoon sun streaming in through the window.


Thanks - I'm not seeing it as too dark.  Not sure what others think.


Cheers

Brian

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Cheers,
Dave


On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:

I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.

So, here's the black & white version:

http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html

The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.

Thoughts?


Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO Orb Spider

[Igor PDML-StR]

Larry,

The first photo is very good. The second one can benefit from some
trimming, but I am not sure if even that would help with that bright
thing in the left bottom corner. I'd try to spot-treat it to tune down the 
brightness of that object.


Sorry, but I find that logic (quoted below) faulty.
Not having shot a grey card can make it hard to make sure the colors are 
accurate, or more difficult to get the rendering your want. But it does 
not change whether the colors come through or not.


Igor


Larry Colen Tue, 18 Oct 2016 17:21:07 -0700 wrote:

We had a particularly pretty orb spider in the front yard. This one was a 
lot redder/oranger than most of ours, unfortunately the color doesn't 
really come through, I forgot to shoot a grey card.


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Re: 31/1.8 vs Sigma 35/1.4 art

[Igor PDML-StR]

Larry,

I perfectly understand your dilemma.
But...
Selling 31/1.8 to purchase Sigma 35/1.4 is like
selling your left kidney to finance the surgery on your right one.

IMHO, 31/1.8 is just too good of a lens to let it go. 
It is almost as good as 77/1.8.
The rendering of both of these is so great that it would be a high bar to 
match it, save to exceed it. (I am talking about low light performance.)
Of 3 fast primes that are always traveling in my bag, FA 50/1.4 is the 
least used, - exactly for the reason explained. (Actually, in my most 
recent trip, I've decided to leave that at home, to save on the carry-on 
weight. No regrets from that decision. I've used all lenses I had with 
me.)


Igor


Larry Colen Tue, 18 Oct 2016 22:14:07 -0700 wrote:

I do a lot of my photography in really low light. The 2/3 stop between 
f/1.8 and f/1.4 doesn't seem like much, but when you're talking the 
difference between 1/13 and 1/20 Second, it can be a huge difference. 
Similarly, doing night landscapes, the 2/3 stop can be a big deal with 
star motion in the background.



Does anyone have experience with both the 31 limited and the 35 art? I 
can't justify buying the faster lens without selling the 31. It's been a 
workhorse lens for me, particularly since it was my only fast "standard" 
in APS.



I've heard good things about the sigma, and even if it isn't as sharp in 
some situations, the faster aperture would make an even bigger difference 
in others.



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RE: PESO Orb Spider

[Malcolm Smith]

Larry Colen wrote:

Very cool.

By the way, your email is showing up with no way to tell the original post
from the reply.  Most mail clients tend to preface the lines of the original
email with a character, like '>'.  I wonder if yours is colorizing using
HTML, which then gets stripped out.

+++

Thanks.

For the time being is that an improvement? I was without e-mail for a while
and having got a new computer with all new software, I'm loath to poke
around with the settings.

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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

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On 10/18/2016 8:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Bill, I was thinking of writing you and suggesting you use your photo
for the next pug... I remember it very well - since Brian is using
somethingelse. DO IT.


Unfortunately, the only Pentax content in that one is the spot-meter I 
used. That was shot with the Tachihara 4x5 using a Nikkor lens. I think 
I got away with that once, but only because I was running the PUG at the 
time.


Brian and all, I stayed a couple of nights Chez Robb in 2005 and
remember the gorgeous BW print - yes, quite similar from point of view
toBrians..


Thank you. I have a 20x24 colour print of it in the bedroom as well. I 
shot it on both chrome and B If there is still some daylight after I 
get home, I will take a digital capture of one or the other and post it.


bill



ann


On 10/18/2016 8:11 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/18/2016 4:04 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.

So, here's the black & white version:

http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html

The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.

Thoughts?


That's hilarious. I've got almost exactly the same picture (mines
better though), that I shot when we were vacationing in that area some
30 years ago. My shot is probably a mile or two back on the road.

bill








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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

[David J Brooks]

both are very good but i'm leaning to the B

Dave

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
> use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
> afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.
>
> So, here's the black & white version:
>
> http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html
>
> The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

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Love the color tone as is!

J

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> On Oct 19, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Brian Walters wrote:
>>> I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
>>> use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
>>> afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.
>>> 
>>> So, here's the black&  white version:
>>> 
>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html
>>> 
>>> The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> The black and white version is excellent.  The color version is too over 
>> done.
> 
> 
> I tend to agree.  I didn't process it much - the saturation is really
> due to the light that afternoon. I think I'll re-work the colour version
> a bit to tone it down a smidge.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
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Re: PESO Orb Spider

[Larry Colen]

Malcolm Smith wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:

We had a particularly pretty orb spider in the front yard. This one was a
lot redder/oranger than most of ours, unfortunately the color doesn't really
come through, I forgot to shoot a grey card.

Both shots done with available light, K-1 and Tamron 90/2.8 macro

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30317329341/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30286793462/

I had hoped to go back and use a strobe on it, but the web is now gone.

Nice, but I can't say I like getting to close to them.

Here's one of mine, which I chose to make sharp in places to give a
different view:  http://flic.kr/p/MFtosh


Very cool.

By the way, your email is showing up with no way to tell the original 
post from the reply.  Most mail clients tend to preface the lines of the 
original email with a character, like '>'.  I wonder if yours is 
colorizing using HTML, which then gets stripped out.





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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

[Brian Walters]

Thanks Malcolm.


Cheers

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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 05:33 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:
> Brian Walters wrote:
> 
> I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
> use
> something local. I always liked the colour version in the late afternoon
> light but wondered about a black and white version.
> 
> So, here's the black & white version:
> 
> http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html
> 
> The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Tricky. I like both versions, but the light puts the colour version just
> ahead for me.
> 
> Malcolm
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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> Brian Walters wrote:
> > I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
> > use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
> > afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.
> >
> > So, here's the black&  white version:
> >
> > http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html
> >
> > The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> 
> The black and white version is excellent.  The color version is too over 
> done.


I tend to agree.  I didn't process it much - the saturation is really
due to the light that afternoon. I think I'll re-work the colour version
a bit to tone it down a smidge.


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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 03:56 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
> The color is very nice, but the b/w is stunning.  Would look great 
> printed on a pearl metallic paper.


Thanks, Paul.  I actually got an 18 x 12 inch print of the colour
version some time ago (I don't do my own printing).  It looks pretty
good - not quite as saturated as the PESO.


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> 
> On 10/18/2016 5:04 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
> > I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
> > use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
> > afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.
> >
> > So, here's the black & white version:
> >
> > http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html
> >
> > The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++
> > Brian Walters
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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 03:40 PM, David Mann wrote:
> Love it but it does look quite dark on my screen, in a bright room with
> the late afternoon sun streaming in through the window.


Thanks - I'm not seeing it as too dark.  Not sure what others think.


Cheers

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> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
> > On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> > 
> > I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather
> > use something local. I always liked the colour version in the late
> > afternoon light but wondered about a black and white version.
> > 
> > So, here's the black & white version:
> > 
> > http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html
> > 
> > The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Brian
> > 
> > ++
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RE: PESO: My Fox

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Igor wrote:

I haven't seen foxes here, but our diggers are armadillos.
I am too lazy to get outside at wee hours to see them.
And there are might be someone else who keeps re-digging the same hole in
front of the house. (I've sort of given up on closing it back every time.)
Other large-scale pests in our yard are deers. A block down the road, people
are actively feeding them, so there is a flock that is almost fearless. And
they come to chew the roses.

I've finally found a spray ("deers and rabits") that deters the dears.
I am not sure if something like that can also be effective against foxes..

Cattle used to graze in Epping Forest ( a few minutes' walk from me) and at
one point we used to have to shift three quarters of a ton of mobile pot
roast out of our garden fairly regularly. I'd love them back now to take
photos of them. We have deer as well, but our lot are very timid and it's
unusual to get anything close up. We used to have loads of rabbits, but the
fox population has dealt with that!

Send your deer over, we have an excess of roses.

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RE: PESO - An Iconic Place

[Malcolm Smith]

Brian Walters wrote:

I was thinking of using this for the November PUG but decided I'd rather use
something local. I always liked the colour version in the late afternoon
light but wondered about a black and white version.

So, here's the black & white version:

http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html

The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.

Thoughts?

Tricky. I like both versions, but the light puts the colour version just
ahead for me.

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RE: PESO Orb Spider

[Malcolm Smith]

Larry Colen wrote:

We had a particularly pretty orb spider in the front yard. This one was a
lot redder/oranger than most of ours, unfortunately the color doesn't really
come through, I forgot to shoot a grey card.

Both shots done with available light, K-1 and Tamron 90/2.8 macro

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30317329341/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30286793462/

I had hoped to go back and use a strobe on it, but the web is now gone.

Nice, but I can't say I like getting to close to them.

Here's one of mine, which I chose to make sharp in places to give a
different view:  http://flic.kr/p/MFtosh

Malcolm


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