Fw: :Re: Test: (for Brian)

2018-05-22 Thread Alan C
My ISP said they did a "refresh" & everything is now back to normal but they won't (or can't?) say what the problem was. Alan C -Original Message- From: Brian Walters Sent: 21 May, 2018 10:47 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: :Re: Test: On 22 May 2018 at 03:49 Alan C

Re: :Re: PESO Silver-studded blue:

2018-05-22 Thread mike wilson
All our greengocers must have Boer ancestry. > On 23 May 2018 at 05:17 Alan C wrote: > > > In Afrikaans they do that too & it has "infected" may English speakers. > > Alan C > > -Original Message- > From: Toine > Sent: 22 May, 2018 9:52 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: The Dog & Pony Show

2018-05-22 Thread Gonz
That is A LOT of money. It can only be good for the industry, the resulting tech war should bring some interesting new products. On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:28 PM, Bill wrote: > On 5/22/2018 9:17 PM, Gonz wrote: >> >> Wow, this is crazy... Sounds more than just

:Re: PESO Silver-studded blue:

2018-05-22 Thread Alan C
In Afrikaans they do that too & it has "infected" may English speakers. Alan C -Original Message- From: Toine Sent: 22 May, 2018 9:52 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO Silver-studded blue Ah yes. Never noticed this one. Panorama's is the correct spelling in Dutch. On

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread Alan C
In Afrikaans they do that too & it has "infected" may English speakers. Alan C -Original Message- From: Toine Sent: 22 May, 2018 9:52 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO Silver-studded blue Ah yes. Never noticed this one. Panorama's is the correct spelling in Dutch. On

Re: The Dog & Pony Show

2018-05-22 Thread Bill
On 5/22/2018 9:17 PM, Gonz wrote: Wow, this is crazy... Sounds more than just throwing to see what sticks... I guess time will tell. https://petapixel.com/2018/05/22/sony-investing-9b-in-image-sensors-aims-to-be-top-camera-brand-by-2021/ They have a lot of money. It will be interesting to

Re: The Dog & Pony Show

2018-05-22 Thread Gonz
Wow, this is crazy... Sounds more than just throwing to see what sticks... I guess time will tell. https://petapixel.com/2018/05/22/sony-investing-9b-in-image-sensors-aims-to-be-top-camera-brand-by-2021/ On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Bill wrote: > On 5/17/2018

Re: Amazon did it again!

2018-05-22 Thread Igor PDML-StR
I forgot to add the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O84p6amPY_Q ;-) Igor On Tue, 22 May 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Paul: Sorry to hear about your troubles, and sorry for being correct on my prediction that they were very likely to ship it packaged the same way. It's a

Re: Amazon did it again!

2018-05-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Igor, Lens number three arrives tomorrow. UPS shows it slightly heavier, so I’m mildly optimistic. If it’s in the Pentax box it won’t get in the door. Paul > On May 22, 2018, at 10:05 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > Paul: > > Sorry to hear about your troubles, and

Re: Amazon did it again!

2018-05-22 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Paul: Sorry to hear about your troubles, and sorry for being correct on my prediction that they were very likely to ship it packaged the same way. It's a "collateral damage" of the "economy of scale". Igor On 2018-05-21 14:14, Paul Stenquist wrote: I was shocked to see that

Re: Steller PESO and GESO

2018-05-22 Thread ann sanfedele
So you know about Clabbers, Alan?  The trouble is, it is even more important that you know how to spell the word youare clabbering or it comes off the board... ann On 5/16/2018 11:53 PM, Alan C wrote: Clabbers? Alan C -Original Message- From: l...@red4est.com Sent: 17 May, 2018

Re: PESO: Red Lily

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Paul. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Very nice, Dan. Excellent composition and color. > Paul > > > On May 22, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Daniel J. Matyola >

Re: PESO Red Breasted Flier

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Here is a woodpecker on the go: https://youtu.be/HePVTmr_CDM Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

2018-05-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My copy of the PDML Annual showed up today. No time to sit down with it, just a quick skim so far, but it's very nicely done. Thanks Mark! and everyone who contributed. Things like this are an inspiration. :-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

2018-05-22 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 6:48 PM Larry Colen wrote: > I've been spending a few decades perfecting boring. Maybe Elon Musk will hire you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

2018-05-22 Thread Larry Colen
Toralf Lund wrote: I tend to look for interesting, too, but hardly ever seem to spot any, so what can you do? :-) I've been spending a few decades perfecting boring. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

cranky jay

2018-05-22 Thread Larry Colen
With the babies out of the nest, I'm wrapping up this season's set of Steller's jay family portraits. Here's one of the steller parents yelling at me: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/41565605354/in/album-72157693982849042/ Full set of just the adults

Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

2018-05-22 Thread Toralf Lund
On 19/05/18 16:28, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Part 3A I'm PISSED because Bruce Nagel and Larry Colen both called up the ghost of M C Escher to produce images that just hypnotize me. I'm PISSED because I took hundreds of images of beautiful orchids in Maui, and Jan van Wijk came up with an orchid

Re: More birds

2018-05-22 Thread Larry Colen
Paul Stenquist wrote: Fascinating look at nature! Thanks Paul. The kids have left the nest. I added the last few to yesterday's album Here's the last one of them in the nest https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42284846761/in/album-72157691326574300/ and here's one of the kids in

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread Toine
All insects numbers have declined. On apiaceae, the white umbrella like flowers, you normally find dozens of insects. Currently none or one insect. A clean windscreen is very very strange and a flower feeld without any buzzing even stranger if not scary. On Tue, 22 May 2018, 21:57 mike wilson,

Re: Amazon did it again!

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
We have one small photography store in this area (about 20 minutes by car. They carry very few Pentax items, but in the past, I have told them what I want and how much it is selling for at B or KEH, and they will order it and discount it as close to the NYC price as possible. I hope they hang in

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread mike wilson
What tends to happen when ecological balance is disturbed is that competition or predation for certain species is reduced and they breed prolifically. For example, reduction in ladybird numbers due to invasion by alien competitors has allowed their aphid prey to increase numbers exponentially.

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread Toine
Ah yes. Never noticed this one. Panorama's is the correct spelling in Dutch. On 22 May 2018 at 21:40, Bob W-PDML wrote: > P.s. That's a beautiful photo. > > Pps. There shouldn't be an apostrophe in "Panorama's" - you'll upset > Chris. The apostrophe indicates a possessive

Re: Last ditch effort to connect

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I have a friend and former partner who specializes in estate litigation. I tell everyone his motto is "The only good client is a dead client." Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Bill wrote: > On 5/22/2018

Re: Last ditch effort to connect

2018-05-22 Thread Bill
On 5/22/2018 1:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I see you. Then again, "I see dead people." The peril of being a lawyer -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I really like that image, Toine. Nice detail, pleasing colors and unobtrusive background. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Toine wrote: > This one is almost gone, like all insects. Apparently all insects show a >

Re: Last ditch effort to connect

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I see you. Then again, "I see dead people." Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Donald Guthrie wrote: > Test of my thunderbird settings. No reply needed. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net >

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread Bob W-PDML
P.s. That's a beautiful photo. Pps. There shouldn't be an apostrophe in "Panorama's" - you'll upset Chris. The apostrophe indicates a possessive or a contraction, not a plural. > On 22 May 2018, at 20:34, Bob W-PDML wrote: > >> On 22 May 2018, at 20:05, Toine

Re: Pentax Photo gallery

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
The Pentax Photo Gallery is back online, and appears to be functioning normally. Both Bong and I have been able to log in and access the images. The approval process is now almost 7 months behind. I don't think that is explained by a smaller pool of voters, because the pool of submitters would

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 22 May 2018, at 20:05, Toine wrote: > > I like that idea of living in the UK, if it isn't a job as a window > cleaner. In germany insects also dropped. Really no problems in the UK? This is where all the shit is these days. > >> On 22 May 2018 at 20:48, mike wilson

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread Bill
On 5/22/2018 1:04 PM, Toine wrote: I like that idea of living in the UK, if it isn't a job as a window cleaner. In germany insects also dropped. Really no problems in the UK? I read something about this on the CBC news website (or I may have heard it on their science program Quirks and

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread Toine
I like that idea of living in the UK, if it isn't a job as a window cleaner. In germany insects also dropped. Really no problems in the UK? On 22 May 2018 at 20:48, mike wilson wrote: > > > On 22 May 2018 at 17:08 Toine wrote: > > > > > > This one is

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread mike wilson
> On 22 May 2018 at 17:08 Toine wrote: > > > This one is almost gone, like all insects. Apparently all insects show a > 70-80% decline in the last years. Can't remember the last time I had to > clean my windshield from splashed insects. > >

Re: :Re: PESO Silver-studded blue:

2018-05-22 Thread Jack Davis
Nice, Toine! You picked a beautiful match. J Sent from my iPhone > On May 22, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Alan C wrote: > > Beautiful image. The curse of Neonicotinides. > > Alan C > > -Original Message- From: Toine > Sent: 22 May, 2018 6:08 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail

:Re: PESO Silver-studded blue:

2018-05-22 Thread Alan C
Beautiful image. The curse of Neonicotinides. Alan C -Original Message- From: Toine Sent: 22 May, 2018 6:08 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO Silver-studded blue This one is almost gone, like all insects. Apparently all insects show a 70-80% decline in the last years.

Re: Amazon did it again!

2018-05-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
> On May 22, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Which one is that? Bear Images Photographic in Palo Alto. There are near where K used to be, on Lambert Street. They don't have a storefront, they cater mostly to commercial and professional photographers. I did a lot of

Last ditch effort to connect

2018-05-22 Thread Donald Guthrie
Test of my thunderbird settings. No reply needed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Pretty shot! There were certainly enough insects kamakaziing into my faceshield on my way to and from Orange County this past weekend. I had to stop and clean off the shield at least three times on the way down and then again on the way back. If the little buggers would stop flying into cars,

Re: Amazon did it again!

2018-05-22 Thread Larry Colen
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: There's only one decent photo shop left in this neighborhood and they only carry high-end medium and large format equipment, really. I should stop in and visit, haven't been there in some years now. The next decent B is up in Walnut Creek or somewhere like that, an

Re: Amazon did it again!

2018-05-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
There's only one decent photo shop left in this neighborhood and they only carry high-end medium and large format equipment, really. I should stop in and visit, haven't been there in some years now. The next decent B is up in Walnut Creek or somewhere like that, an hour or more away and a drive

Re: PESO 2018 - A Stop by the Side of the Road - GDG

2018-05-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I should stop back and visit it again. I've visited the mission a couple of times, at least once when my mom was visiting me, but the most recent of those times has to be 23 to 25 years ago. I remember some interesting story about the organ there, but don't recall what it was. It would be a

Re: Amazon did it again!

2018-05-22 Thread John
On 5/21/2018 22:40, steve harley wrote: On 2018-05-21 14:14, Paul Stenquist wrote: I was shocked to see that once again, the lens was not boxed! I refused delivery. Called Amazon and told them to see if they could figure out how to put lens number three in a box. They will deliver another one

Re: Amazon did it again!

2018-05-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
I agree. Wish I had a local store with good pricing and Pentax stock. We did have one, but they usually only stocked a bit of Pentax equipment. I haven’t visited the other nearby store for quite some time, but last time I was there, they didn’t have any Pentax equipment. Waiting for lens

PESO Silver-studded blue

2018-05-22 Thread Toine
This one is almost gone, like all insects. Apparently all insects show a 70-80% decline in the last years. Can't remember the last time I had to clean my windshield from splashed insects. https://www.repiuk.nl/content/heideblauwtje/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

2018-05-22 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 22/5/18, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed: > I've been shooting >actual film on an actual MX recently and one of my shots in the annual was >one of these. Hmmm. Something tells me it's the Romanesque church? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live

Re: Amazon did it again!

2018-05-22 Thread John
As I said, I'm fortunate in that respect. Not knocking B or Amazon, just glad to have the local option. On 5/21/2018 16:58, Paul Stenquist wrote: I never have problems with B, but they were on a religious holiday shutdown. No Pentax dealer here at present, but when there was, it was strictly

Re: PESO 2018 - A Stop by the Side of the Road - GDG

2018-05-22 Thread lrc
Probably in fourth or fifth grade if I remember my California elementary school curriculum of the 1960s correctly. On May 21, 2018 2:14:51 PM PDT, Mark Roberts wrote: >Paul Sorenson wrote: > >>When you go back, if you're a history buff and haven't done this

Re: More birds

2018-05-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Fascinating look at nature! Paul > On May 22, 2018, at 11:03 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote: > > Thanks Dan. It's fun having the nest right outside my living room, when I > hear the kids making "feed me" noises I can grab my camera. > > On May 22, 2018 6:31:29 AM PDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"

Re: PESO: Red Lily

2018-05-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Very nice, Dan. Excellent composition and color. Paul > On May 22, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/20/red-lily > > K-5 IIs, FA 100 mm F 2.8 Macro > > Dan Matyola >

Re: More birds

2018-05-22 Thread lrc
Thanks Dan. It's fun having the nest right outside my living room, when I hear the kids making "feed me" noises I can grab my camera. On May 22, 2018 6:31:29 AM PDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: >I just love this series. Fascinating! > >Dan Matyola

Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

2018-05-22 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 18 May 2018 at 00:05, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > Stunned. And also a little sad that some of our best snappers aren't in > due to lack of Pentax gear. Maybe worth pressing an old Pentax lens into > service on those Leicas and Fujis eh? If Chris Mitchell can figure it >

PESO: Red Lily

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/20/red-lily K-5 IIs, FA 100 mm F 2.8 Macro Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: PESO: Pollen

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for looking Jack. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 6:03 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > Just too crowded, Dan. > Glorious flower. > J > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 22, 2018, at 12:39 AM, Larry Colen

Re: PESO: Pollen

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Larry. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:39 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > Very nice! > > > Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> From the lilies we bought recently: >> >>

Re: More birds

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I just love this series. Fascinating! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:39 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > I got a few more photos of the Steller family > > Here's one of Mom and the kids: >

Re: PESO: greater racket-tailed drongo

2018-05-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Quite interesting! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:03 AM, Subash Jeyan wrote: > greater racket-tailed drongo: > > https://somethingfeathered.wordpress.com/2018/05/22/ > greater-racket-tailed-drongo/ > > k5iis,

Re: :greater racket tailed drongo:

2018-05-22 Thread Subash Jeyan
thanks Paul. will look into the levels... On Tue, 22 May 2018 07:57:43 -0400 Paul Stenquist wrote: > Strange creature! Nicely captured, but perhaps in need of a slight > levels adjustment to brighten the midrange. > > >>> https://somethingfeathered.wordpress.com/grtd/ --

Re: :greater racket tailed drongo:

2018-05-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Strange creature! Nicely captured, but perhaps in need of a slight levels adjustment to brighten the midrange. Paul > On May 22, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Subash Jeyan wrote: > > thank you Jack...for the one on the other as well... > > On Tue, 22 May 2018 02:57:05 -0700 > Jack

Re: :greater racket tailed drongo:

2018-05-22 Thread Subash Jeyan
thank you Jack...for the one on the other as well... On Tue, 22 May 2018 02:57:05 -0700 Jack Davis wrote: > WOW! Fascinating! > Especially clean, sharp image, > Subash! > J > > > > > https://somethingfeathered.wordpress.com/grtd/ > > > > i don't have a straight-on

Re: PESO: greater racket-tailed drongo

2018-05-22 Thread Jack Davis
Seriously amazing creation! J Sent from my iPhone > On May 22, 2018, at 12:03 AM, Subash Jeyan wrote: > > greater racket-tailed drongo: > > https://somethingfeathered.wordpress.com/2018/05/22/greater-racket-tailed-drongo/ > > k5iis, FA*300/4.5 > > > comments

Re: PESO: Pollen

2018-05-22 Thread Jack Davis
Just too crowded, Dan. Glorious flower. J Sent from my iPhone > On May 22, 2018, at 12:39 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Very nice! > > Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> From the lilies we bought recently: >> >> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/20/pollen >>

Re: :greater racket tailed drongo:

2018-05-22 Thread Jack Davis
WOW! Fascinating! Especially clean, sharp image, Subash! J Sent from my iPhone > On May 22, 2018, at 1:28 AM, Subash Jeyan wrote: > > On Tue, 22 May 2018 10:07:20 +0200 > "Alan C" wrote: > >> What an amazing bird! > > isn't it? here's another angle (not

Re: :greater racket tailed drongo:

2018-05-22 Thread Subash Jeyan
On Tue, 22 May 2018 10:07:20 +0200 "Alan C" wrote: > What an amazing bird! isn't it? here's another angle (not that particular bird though): https://somethingfeathered.wordpress.com/grtd/ i don't have a straight-on angle yet :) subash >

:greater racket tailed drongo:

2018-05-22 Thread Alan C
What an amazing bird! Alan C -Original Message- From: Subash Jeyan Sent: 22 May, 2018 9:03 AM To: pdml Subject: PESO: greater racket-tailed drongo greater racket-tailed drongo: https://somethingfeathered.wordpress.com/2018/05/22/greater-racket-tailed-drongo/ k5iis, FA*300/4.5

Re: PESO: Pollen

2018-05-22 Thread Larry Colen
Very nice! Daniel J. Matyola wrote: From the lilies we bought recently: http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/20/pollen K-5 IIs, FA 100 mm Macro F 2.8 Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com

More birds

2018-05-22 Thread Larry Colen
I got a few more photos of the Steller family Here's one of Mom and the kids: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42272774071/in/album-72157691326574300/ full set for them that are interested: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157691326574300 All shot with the sigma 50-500 on

PESO: greater racket-tailed drongo

2018-05-22 Thread Subash Jeyan
greater racket-tailed drongo: https://somethingfeathered.wordpress.com/2018/05/22/greater-racket-tailed-drongo/ k5iis, FA*300/4.5 comments appreciated... ~subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

:Re: Korhaan - Owner of the Eye:

2018-05-22 Thread Alan C
Thanks for looking, Jack, Ann, Dave & anyone else. Very slow birds - Road Strollers! Alan C -Original Message- From: David Mann Sent: 21 May, 2018 9:23 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Korhaan - Owner of the Eye Interesting little fellow. I thought it looked a bit

:Re: :Re: Test::

2018-05-22 Thread Alan C
I use Live Mail like that. Separate folders for everything & Storage Folders/Archives too. I did set up Thunderbird yesterday (just in case) but am reluctant to leave Live Mail in spite of the fact it is now discontinued by Microsoft. It was a big wrench leaving Outlook Express which didn't