Re: PESO - Cyclamen

2020-03-22 Thread Olga Iona Custer
> On Mar 18, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: > > Just as a deep breath in Corona Days. Thank you for that. It’s gorgeous. Is it blooming in your home? > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/49668608601/in/dateposted-public/ > > Bulent. >

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread Alan C
Ditto Alan C On 22-Mar-20 09:59 PM, Mark C wrote: Glad to hear that, Paul. On 3/22/2020 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Got my test results today. Negative. I have an ugly old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: PESO: Eucalyptus

2020-03-22 Thread Alan C
Eucalyptus deglupta! Well there you have it! Much more colourful than globulus. I see they are around in SA too. Alan C On 23-Mar-20 04:05 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Unlikely. There are about 600 varieties of Eucalyptus, but koalas eat only a small number of these. Each koala

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread Bill
On 3/22/2020 2:11 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: You had an ugly old for a long time... glad you only have an ugly COLD now.. xoxo ann HAR!!. Paul, keep getting better. bill On 3/22/2020 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Got my test results today. Negative. I have an ugly old. On Mar 22, 2020,

Re: PESO: Maui Style Fence

2020-03-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for looking, Olga. Dan Matyola *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery * On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 5:44 PM Olga Iona Custer wrote: > Very cool. > > > > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Daniel J. Matyola > wrote: > > > > This interesting fence lines

Re: PESO: First Daffodil of Spring

2020-03-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Ralf and John! Dan Matyola *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery * On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 3:35 PM Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > Am 22.03.20 um 19:35 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola: > > Some of the daffodils finally burst into bloom > > today. This

Re: PESO: Eucalyptus

2020-03-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Unlikely. There are about 600 varieties of Eucalyptus, but koalas eat only a small number of these. Each koala usually eats mainly one or two species that are native to its locality. Rainbow Eucalyptus, *Eucalyptus deglupta , *is native to the northern hemisphere. Dan Matyola

Re: PESOs - Quicne x3

2020-03-22 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Paul. Olga, the second is my favorite too, by the tip of a nose. Thanks for commenting. Rick > On Mar 22, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Olga Iona Custer wrote: > > I like the second one best. > Didn’t realize that there was ornamental quince. I grew up eating quince > preserves. > >> On Mar

Re: Social distancing

2020-03-22 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Pdml wrote: >Meanwhile, on the beach: > >https://tinyurl.com/qqwny2g > >https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/00f4c7321374431ea848517ce1613814/albums/775e41e7fe91462d820fd3ba97d4cc07/assets/b75a4d7e7cc545f38eee2eea5d8bb30f That's a mudlark, right? :-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography &

Re: PESO: Eucalyptus

2020-03-22 Thread Olga Iona Custer
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 5:54 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > I found this Rainbow Eucalyptus tree in a wayside park on the Road to Hana. > > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/3/21/rainbow-eucalyptus > >

Re: PESO: First Daffodil of Spring

2020-03-22 Thread Olga Iona Custer
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > Friday was the fi rst full day of spring, and the temps were in the 70s. > That moved up the spring bulbs in my yards. Even though the last two days > have been rather cold, Some of the daffodils finally burst into bloom > today.

Re: PESO: Securities

2020-03-22 Thread Olga Iona Custer
> On Mar 21, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > One of those ideas you get when you're sitting in front of something... > > Just for the heck of it, without any artistic pretension. > > http://www.fotoralf.be/temp/D-20-00017.jpg >

Re: Social distancing

2020-03-22 Thread Olga Iona Custer
> On Mar 21, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Bob Pdml wrote: > > It’s difficult to photograph emptiness But you managed to photograph emptiness, sadness and desolation (I saw desolation in a beach shot, not the market shot). These are fantastic. > >> On 21 Mar 2020, at 21:29, ann sanfedele wrote: >>

Re: Social distancing

2020-03-22 Thread Stanley Halpin
I have a cluttered computer screen. Occasionally I file/delete etc, but often stuff just sits there. Such as for example, Bob, your Beach shot from the other day. I opened the image in my browser (Safari), looked at it, liked it, and went on with reading my mail. That browser window is still

Re: PESOs - Quicne x3

2020-03-22 Thread Olga Iona Custer
I like the second one best. Didn’t realize that there was ornamental quince. I grew up eating quince preserves. > On Mar 21, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Rick Womer wrote: > > Our next-door neighbors have a lovely quince bush in front of their house. I > couldn’t decide which of these I liked the best,

Re: PESO: Maui Style Fence

2020-03-22 Thread Olga Iona Custer
Very cool. > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > This interesting fence lines the parking lot of the Jaws Country store in > Pe'ahi, on the North Shore of Maui, where the huge "tow-in" waves come > ashore. > >

Re: PESO: Eucalyptus

2020-03-22 Thread Brian W
Very spectacular tree - you've caught it well. I've never seen one in real life - it's one of the few eucs not native to Australia Cheers Brian > On 22 March 2020 at 23:54 "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > > > I found this Rainbow Eucalyptus tree in a wayside park on the Road to Hana. > >

Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-22 Thread Stanley Halpin
John - the tax filing deadline was extended 3 months. No rush, unless you are expecting a refund. I filed mine about a month ago, received my refund within about 10 days. At the same time I sent in an Amended filing for last year (i.e., 2018 tax year), that goes to an office in Northern

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread John
On 3/22/2020 09:33:49, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 22/3/20, Bob Pdml, discombobulated, unleashed: This is somewhere I've never photographed before although I've driven and ridden across it a million times (I lived nearby in the 80s). Normally it's very busy with people. https://adobe.ly/33NTbZ7

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread ann sanfedele
You had an ugly old for a long time... glad you only have an ugly COLD now.. xoxo ann On 3/22/2020 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Got my test results today. Negative. I have an ugly old. On Mar 22, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I’ve been sick for 10 days now and was tested a week

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread John
On 3/22/2020 14:56:54, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 22/3/20, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed: in the USA if there is a yellow line where that yellow ison the left  it would indicate both sides of the road were the same direction, and the cars that are parked are facing away from the

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread Mark C
Glad to hear that, Paul. On 3/22/2020 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Got my test results today. Negative. I have an ugly old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-22 Thread John
On 3/21/2020 16:30:50, Stanley Halpin wrote: Washing hands, good. Washing using soap, better. Using bacterial soap to attack viruses? I think that one is a bit suspect. stan You have to make sure the "bacterial soap" is the brand with bacterium that eats viruses. 8^) -- Science -

Re: PESO: First Daffodil of Spring

2020-03-22 Thread John
Nice. I noticed we have Dogwoods in bloom around here when I went out to walk the dog this morning. On 3/22/2020 14:35:46, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Friday was the fi rst full day of spring, and the temps were in the 70s. That moved up the spring bulbs in my yards. Even though the last two

Re: PESO: Eucalyptus

2020-03-22 Thread John
I wonder if koalas could eat the leaves? On 3/22/2020 08:54:50, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I found this Rainbow Eucalyptus tree in a wayside park on the Road to Hana. http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/3/21/rainbow-eucalyptus K-5 IIs, smc DA 18-135 mm F 3.5-5.6 ED AL [IF]

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 22.03.20 um 19:20 schrieb Bob Pdml: No. The cars parked on the right are strictly speaking facing the wrong way, but nobody seems to bother with that rule. I wouldn't recommend doing this on the continent. In Belgium, there's a 150 Euro fine and they enforce it ruthlessly. Ralf -- Ralf

Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-22 Thread John
I wonder how long it lasts on paper? I still need to take my tax forms to the Credit Union to get my taxes filed. Wish I'd got all the forms together in January and got it over with before the sh**-storm started to come down. Maybe if I'm still alive next year I'll remember not to

Re: PESO: Securities

2020-03-22 Thread Bob Pdml
> On 22 Mar 2020, at 19:28, John wrote: > > On 3/21/2020 12:58:27, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >>> Am 21.03.20 um 17:12 schrieb Alan C: >>> Presumably a tribute to the last toilet roll? Nice one. >> Could it be that the joke doesn't work as well in English? >> The German title is "Wertpapiere",

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 22.03.20 um 19:39 schrieb Paul Stenquist: Got my test results today. Negative. Phew... :-) Now get well soon. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web :

Re: PESO: First Daffodil of Spring

2020-03-22 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 22.03.20 um 19:35 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola: Some of the daffodils finally burst into bloom today. This is the first fully developed blossom: Beautiful shot. Here, everything is weeks early, this spring. We've seen the first daffodils about two weeks ago. We call them Osterglocken in

Re: PESO: Securities

2020-03-22 Thread John
On 3/21/2020 12:58:27, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 21.03.20 um 17:12 schrieb Alan C: Presumably a tribute to the last toilet roll? Nice one. Could it be that the joke doesn't work as well in English? The German title is "Wertpapiere", literally "value papers" - our term for shares and

Re: PESO: First Daffodil of Spring

2020-03-22 Thread Bulent Celasun
Oh, lovely daffodil! ... I bet it has no idea about the place & the mess though... Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread Bulent Celasun
Happy to hear that, Paul : ) Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread Bob Pdml
Who’d have thought I would ever congratulate someone for having an ugly cold! Congratulations! But - it doesn’t mean you’re immune so take care! > On 22 Mar 2020, at 18:40, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > Got my test results today. Negative. I have an ugly old. > > >> On Mar 22, 2020, at 1:13

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 22/3/20, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >Got my test results today. Negative. I have an ugly old. You've got an ugly old something!! Congrats and I bet that's one less worry ! You can go back to the matrimonial bed ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ UK Shoot / Edit ||

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 22/3/20, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed: >in the USA if there is a yellow line where that yellow ison the left  it >would indicate both sides of the road were the same direction, and the >cars that are parked are facing away from the camera... that, in >conjuction with the two

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Got my test results today. Negative. I have an ugly old. > On Mar 22, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > I’ve been sick for 10 days now and was tested a week ago. Still no results > but I did go through a few days of not really wanting to eat, although I > didn’t have any stomach

PESO: First Daffodil of Spring

2020-03-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Friday was the fi rst full day of spring, and the temps were in the 70s. That moved up the spring bulbs in my yards. Even though the last two days have been rather cold, Some of the daffodils finally burst into bloom today. This is the first fully developed blossom:

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread ann sanfedele
I see... but... in the USA if there is a yellow line where that yellow ison the left  it would indicate both sides of the road were the same direction, and the cars that are parked are facing away from the camera... that, in conjuction with the two moving cars facing each other and the subject

Re: Social distancing

2020-03-22 Thread Bob Pdml
Thanks Rick, very flattering. You look after yourself- we need you more than ever! B > On 22 Mar 2020, at 17:52, Rick Womer wrote: > > Bob, those are 3 =excellent= photos. > > The “London” gallery as a whole is a stunner. I don’t recall seeing many of > those pix before. > > Stay well, >

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Bob Pdml
No. The cars parked on the right are strictly speaking facing the wrong way, but nobody seems to bother with that rule. > On 22 Mar 2020, at 17:43, ann sanfedele wrote: > > But isn't that a one way street? in the dirction going away from the camera? > > > >> On 3/22/2020 1:33 PM, Bob Pdml

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 22/3/20, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed: >But isn't that a one way street? in the dirction going away from the camera? 2 - way street Ann x -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ UK Shoot / Edit || (O) | -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Social distancing

2020-03-22 Thread Rick Womer
Bob, those are 3 =excellent= photos. The “London” gallery as a whole is a stunner. I don’t recall seeing many of those pix before. Stay well, Rick > On Mar 21, 2020, at 6:49 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 21.03.20 um 22:17 schrieb Bob Pdml: >> Sorry about the tinyurls- nothing i can

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread ann sanfedele
But isn't that a one way street? in the dirction going away from the camera? On 3/22/2020 1:33 PM, Bob Pdml wrote: I’m not sure what their idiocy is, ann. It’s a commercial van, presumably on a delivery round. On 22 Mar 2020, at 17:28, ann sanfedele wrote: Is that an local idiot the

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Bob Pdml
I’m not sure what their idiocy is, ann. It’s a commercial van, presumably on a delivery round. > On 22 Mar 2020, at 17:28, ann sanfedele wrote: > > Is that an local idiot the car facing the camera or a stranded tourist from > my die of the big pond? yikes! > > ann > > On 3/22/2020 12:49

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread ann sanfedele
Is that an local idiot the car facing the camera or a stranded tourist from my die of the big pond?  yikes! ann On 3/22/2020 12:49 PM, mike wilson wrote: On 22 March 2020 at 13:30 Bob Pdml wrote: I’ve been for a ride around a mostly empty London today on one of my regular routes. This is

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
I’ve been sick for 10 days now and was tested a week ago. Still no results but I did go through a few days of not really wanting to eat, although I didn’t have any stomach issues. The hospital has said I don’t have the flu. Paul > On Mar 22, 2020, at 12:49 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > >  >

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Bob Pdml
Another difference between then and now is that the crossing has been moved a bit further away from the camera position. You can see this by comparing the album cover and my photo, particular where the crossing is in relation to the white wall on the left, which is the wall of the studio, and

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread mike wilson
No parking in the zig-zag zone, to improve visibility of pedestrians to motorists. And vice-versa in some cases. > On 22 March 2020 at 16:53 "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > > > Nicely documented! > > Why the zig-zag lines on the street? > > Dan Matyola >

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread mike wilson
I really must get my sarcasm meter checked. It's patently twaddle and I thought I was making that clear to those who know me, which is most here. Maybe another sign of infection is loss of communication skills. > On 22 March 2020 at 14:10 Rick Womer wrote: > > > Mike, much of this

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread mike wilson
> On 22 March 2020 at 13:30 Bob Pdml wrote: > > > I’ve been for a ride around a mostly empty London today on one of my regular > routes. > > This is somewhere I’ve never photographed before although I’ve driven and > ridden across it a million times (I lived nearby in the 80s). Normally

Re: PESO: Eucalyptus

2020-03-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for looking, Bob, Ralf, and Alan! Dan Matyola *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery * On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 9:26 AM Bob Pdml wrote: > Lovely bark - never heard of that before > > > On 22 Mar 2020, at 12:55, Daniel J. Matyola > wrote: > > >

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nicely documented! Why the zig-zag lines on the street? Dan Matyola *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery * On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 9:30 AM Bob Pdml wrote: > I’ve been for a ride around a mostly empty London today on one of my > regular routes. > >

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread ann sanfedele
Rick - What do you know about this: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-experts-say-new-symptoms-could-be-loss-taste-or-smell-11961439 I have two friends who are sick and experiencing the lack of sense of taste and smell - both reported to me in conversation without any prompting as it

Re: PESOs - Quicne x3

2020-03-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Pretty pics.It appears that the leaves and blooms are similar to azalea. Paul > On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Rick Womer wrote: > > Thanks, Alan. > > It’s purely ornamental. > > Rick > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 00:50 Alan C wrote: > >> Very uplifting at this difficult time. Reminiscent of

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 22.03.20 um 15:56 schrieb Bob Pdml: Sorry about that. I have it too if that’s any consolation. Nothing to be sorry about. I've had much worse than an old Beatles tune and could enumerate a whole bunch but PDMLers would probably kill me. I've already suggested in another forum, years ago,

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Bob Pdml
> On 22 Mar 2020, at 14:21, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 22.03.20 um 14:30 schrieb Bob Pdml: >> I’ve been for a ride around a mostly empty London today on one of my regular >> routes. > > Great. Though I wouldn't have recognised it with all the rest around. Thanks > Now, how do I get

Re: PESO: Eucalyptus

2020-03-22 Thread Alan C
Looks like the normal Bluegum tree (Eucalyptus Globulus, imported from Australia originally) which is the feedstock species for the pulp and paper industry in South Africa. Has largely replaced the indigenous forests & gobbles up the meagre water supply. Smaller trees or those produced by

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 22.03.20 um 14:30 schrieb Bob Pdml: I’ve been for a ride around a mostly empty London today on one of my regular routes. Great. Though I wouldn't have recognised it with all the rest around. Now, how do I get rid of the earworm... :-) Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany

Re: OT Covid-19 - Ahem!

2020-03-22 Thread Rick Womer
Mike, much of this information is wrong. Since most of my patients (children with cancer) are immunosuppressed, I’ve been following this closely, and our hospital is providing daily briefings. First, fibrosis is scarring, and that takes a long time. It is inflammation that causes the problems

Re: PESOs - Quicne x3

2020-03-22 Thread Bulent Celasun
Happy mood. I can imagine the second one as a beautiful book cover. Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Bob Pdml
> On 22 Mar 2020, at 13:34, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 22/3/20, Bob Pdml, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> This is somewhere I've never photographed before although I've driven >> and ridden across it a million times (I lived nearby in the 80s). >> Normally it's very busy with people. >>

Re: Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 22/3/20, Bob Pdml, discombobulated, unleashed: >This is somewhere I've never photographed before although I've driven >and ridden across it a million times (I lived nearby in the 80s). >Normally it's very busy with people. > >https://adobe.ly/33NTbZ7 Abbey Road? -- Cheers, Cotty

Come Together. But not right now.

2020-03-22 Thread Bob Pdml
I’ve been for a ride around a mostly empty London today on one of my regular routes. This is somewhere I’ve never photographed before although I’ve driven and ridden across it a million times (I lived nearby in the 80s). Normally it’s very busy with people. https://adobe.ly/33NTbZ7 --

Re: PESO: Eucalyptus

2020-03-22 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 22.03.20 um 13:54 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola: I found this Rainbow Eucalyptus tree in a wayside park on the Road to Hana. What an interesting pattern. We don't have any here, so I've never seen one. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog :

Re: PESO: Eucalyptus

2020-03-22 Thread Bob Pdml
Lovely bark - never heard of that before > On 22 Mar 2020, at 12:55, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > I found this Rainbow Eucalyptus tree in a wayside park on the Road to Hana. > > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/3/21/rainbow-eucalyptus > > K-5 IIs, smc DA 18-135 mm F

Re: PESOs - Quicne x3

2020-03-22 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Alan. It’s purely ornamental. Rick On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 00:50 Alan C wrote: > Very uplifting at this difficult time. Reminiscent of those springtime > Japanese Chery Blossoms. Do they eat the quince fruit or is the tree > purely ornamental? > > Alan C > > On 21-Mar-20 08:31 PM,

PESO: Eucalyptus

2020-03-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I found this Rainbow Eucalyptus tree in a wayside park on the Road to Hana. http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/3/21/rainbow-eucalyptus K-5 IIs, smc DA 18-135 mm F 3.5-5.6 ED AL [IF] DC WR Comments and criticisms are invited and appreciated. Dan Matyola