Re: St. Patrick's Day in Berkeley

[John Francis]

On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 08:13:54AM +0200, Alan C wrote:
> When I see 'phone shots like that, I wonder why we bother with cameras.

Quite.

As I mentioned, I was interested to compare modern technology to
what I was able to do twenty+ years ago.

I managed to dig out one of the images from 2000.  This will have
been taken on my PZ-1p.  I'm pretty sure I was using my A* 300/2.8,
probably shooting 1600 ASA Fuji slide film.

After some playing around in PhotoShop, I came up with this:



(for reference, here's the 2023 phone image again):



I could improve the old image some more by smoothing out the blue
speckles in the darkest parts, and losing a few unwanted highlights,
but it doesn't look too bad.  The phone image is better, though.
(And, in all fairness, the stage lighting is much better in 2023).


As to the question as to why we bother with cameras - in my case it
is because there are some things my current camera can do quite a bit
better than I can - things like keeping the driver of a fast-moving
car in focus, rather than focussing on some other part of the car.
It's also rather better than my phone at longer focal lengths ...
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RE: epson 2400

[jcoyle]

Godfrey's procedures are similar to mine, with the difference that my colour 
printers have always been used for both document and photo printing, thus they 
have been well-exercised. With one (very) early exception, I've always used HP 
printers: currently have a one-year-old HP7770 A3 which does an excellent job, 
and an HP1100 B Laser which I bought in 2007, and is still going strong.  I 
only ever use genuine HP inks and toner, which may help to explain their 
longevity.


John in Brisbane



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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi  
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 7:40 AM
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Subject: Re: epson 2400

> Am 22.03.23 um 20:39 schrieb Henk Terhell:
> Never had any luck with printers and I estimate their life time on my 
> desk is around 3 years.


Hmm. Back in the early '00s, I went through a couple of older Epson 13" dye ink 
printers … they both worked okay, but one of them died from the Piezography 
inkset I used clogging the heads permanently and the other was just starting to 
fail when the R2400 came out. I bought that (Oct 2005) and printed literally 
thousands of prints with it over the next 10-11 years. The P600 came out about 
then, and Ann needed a printer, cheap, so I gave her the R2400 and bought 
myself a P600. 

The R2400 died shortly after Ann got it (but I think she got the job she needed 
done with it) … I've always suspected that the shipment handling probably was 
the death factor. The P600 continues to work perfectly and has similarly 
produced a couple of thousand prints in the years I've had it. 

The keys to longevity with these devices is:

1- Keep them in use, don't let them sit and sit. I try to print at least two 
8x10 photographs every other week at least, exercising all the print head 
nozzles 

2- Don't run them with inks past the the ink's expiration date. Most of the 
problems I've had with any of my printers have been when I stuck an expired ink 
cartridge in because I needed to get something done and didn't have a fresh 
cartridge on hand. Because the cartridges are expensive and sometimes I'm not 
printing very much, I keep one spare set only on hand, ordering new 
replacements as they each become exhausted. I mark the cartridges so I know the 
expiration date of what's in the printer, and when I put a cartridge into 
service.

I don't have much more to add to help David's problem, unfortunately. It's been 
too long since I used an R2400 to remember the details of its maintenance and 
error indicators at this point. 

G
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Re: epson 2400

[ann sanfedele]

On 3/22/2023 5:40 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Am 22.03.23 um 20:39 schrieb Henk Terhell:
Never had any luck with printers and I estimate their life time on my desk
is around 3 years.

Hmm. Back in the early '00s, I went through a couple of older Epson 13" dye ink 
printers … they both worked okay, but one of them died from the Piezography inkset I 
used clogging the heads permanently and the other was just starting to fail when the 
R2400 came out. I bought that (Oct 2005) and printed literally thousands of prints 
with it over the next 10-11 years. The P600 came out about then, and Ann needed a 
printer, cheap, so I gave her the R2400 and bought myself a P600.

The R2400 died shortly after Ann got it (but I think she got the job she needed 
done with it)..


 I think I printed my 2015 exhibit on your gift ... then I got another 
one after that... at a very good price (cheap as dirt ) from someone in 
NY on Craigs list.  Her aunt had bought a new 2400 and the aunt actually 
died herself  before she had a chance to use it.. it had been stored 
away and needed to be revived, which I did by following isntructins by a 
guy on You tube whise name started with an R ,, all I rememeber but it 
worked.   when THAT R2400 froze in place I just put it out on the street and
went back to an R220 that still purrs  .. if I need anything larger than 
an 8 1/2 x 11 (or 14) Bay photo through smugmug does it.


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Re: epson 2400

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> Am 22.03.23 um 20:39 schrieb Henk Terhell:
> Never had any luck with printers and I estimate their life time on my desk
> is around 3 years.


Hmm. Back in the early '00s, I went through a couple of older Epson 13" dye ink 
printers … they both worked okay, but one of them died from the Piezography 
inkset I used clogging the heads permanently and the other was just starting to 
fail when the R2400 came out. I bought that (Oct 2005) and printed literally 
thousands of prints with it over the next 10-11 years. The P600 came out about 
then, and Ann needed a printer, cheap, so I gave her the R2400 and bought 
myself a P600. 

The R2400 died shortly after Ann got it (but I think she got the job she needed 
done with it) … I've always suspected that the shipment handling probably was 
the death factor. The P600 continues to work perfectly and has similarly 
produced a couple of thousand prints in the years I've had it. 

The keys to longevity with these devices is:

1- Keep them in use, don't let them sit and sit. I try to print at least two 
8x10 photographs every other week at least, exercising all the print head 
nozzles 

2- Don't run them with inks past the the ink's expiration date. Most of the 
problems I've had with any of my printers have been when I stuck an expired ink 
cartridge in because I needed to get something done and didn't have a fresh 
cartridge on hand. Because the cartridges are expensive and sometimes I'm not 
printing very much, I keep one spare set only on hand, ordering new 
replacements as they each become exhausted. I mark the cartridges so I know the 
expiration date of what's in the printer, and when I put a cartridge into 
service.

I don't have much more to add to help David's problem, unfortunately. It's been 
too long since I used an R2400 to remember the details of its maintenance and 
error indicators at this point. 

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Re: epson 2400

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 22.03.23 um 20:39 schrieb Henk Terhell:

Never had any luck with printers and I estimate their life time on my desk
is around 3 years.


I had a Epson A3+ photo printer with dye-based inks which worked fine
for years and gave beautiful prints until there was a problem with
banding and Epson repaired it to death.

They offered me a discount on a new 2400 and over the next few years it
cost me a fortune in ink with all the attemps to free its clogged
nozzles. In the end I sold it as defect on ebay.

Seeing the few decent prints I've got out of it, it would have been
cheaper to haven them oil-painted.

As much as I'd like to be able to do my own printing, I'm totally put
off photo printers for the rest of my days.

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Re: epson 2400

[Henk Terhell]

Yes, I believe you are right. And the ink may be drying out.
When I want to have prints of my photo's. which is not very often, I use
the internet services of the local shops which do it far better and
probably cheaper than I can.

Henk

Op wo 22 mrt 2023 om 20:59 schreef Comcast :

> I would guess that the lousy colors are the result of mismatched
> calibration and/or letting the printer (rather than photoshop or Lightroom)
> control color.
>
> Paul
>
> > On Mar 22, 2023, at 3:40 PM, Henk Terhell 
> wrote:
> >
> > Never had any luck with printers and I estimate their life time on my
> desk
> > is around 3 years.
> > My current printer for about a year is an Epson 2410 which prints B/W OK,
> > but has lousy colours.
> >
> > I just came across a new funny YouTube video 'Why Printers Are Designed
> To
> > Fail: The Frustrating Truth'.
> >
> > Henk
> >
> > Op wo 8 mrt 2023 om 22:48 schreef David J Brooks :
> >
> >> I went to print a document this afternoon and when I turned on my Epson
> >> 2400 printer, the green light came on for a short moment, I heard a
> >> clicking sound then the paper jam and low ink red lights started to
> flash
> >> alternatively.
> >>
> >> Anyone run into this issue with a 2400, its about 15 years old
> >>
> >> I did notice a blob of coloured ink on a piece of foam on the left hand
> >> edge of the printer head rail, could that be it
> >> ??
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
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Re: epson 2400

[Comcast]

I would guess that the lousy colors are the result of mismatched calibration 
and/or letting the printer (rather than photoshop or Lightroom) control color.

Paul

> On Mar 22, 2023, at 3:40 PM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> Never had any luck with printers and I estimate their life time on my desk
> is around 3 years.
> My current printer for about a year is an Epson 2410 which prints B/W OK,
> but has lousy colours.
> 
> I just came across a new funny YouTube video 'Why Printers Are Designed To
> Fail: The Frustrating Truth'.
> 
> Henk
> 
> Op wo 8 mrt 2023 om 22:48 schreef David J Brooks :
> 
>> I went to print a document this afternoon and when I turned on my Epson
>> 2400 printer, the green light came on for a short moment, I heard a
>> clicking sound then the paper jam and low ink red lights started to flash
>> alternatively.
>> 
>> Anyone run into this issue with a 2400, its about 15 years old
>> 
>> I did notice a blob of coloured ink on a piece of foam on the left hand
>> edge of the printer head rail, could that be it
>> ??
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
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Re: PESOS: Portraits, no Pentax content

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Both portraits are very pleasing to the eye.

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> I did a mini portrait shoot on Sunday using the X-T5 and Viltrox 75/1.2
> lens.
> I'm absolutely delighted with both this camera and lens.
> These were done with a single beauty dish using a wall to get some fill.
>
> The first was shot at f/2.8
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2oorozf
>
> The second was shot at f4
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2ootzLD
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> Enjoy
>
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Re: epson 2400

[Henk Terhell]

'Why Printers Are Designed To Fail: The Frustrating Truth'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ35eQ9N3iY

Op wo 22 mrt 2023 om 20:39 schreef Henk Terhell :

> Never had any luck with printers and I estimate their life time on my desk
> is around 3 years.
> My current printer for about a year is an Epson 2410 which prints B/W OK,
> but has lousy colours.
>
> I just came across a new funny YouTube video 'Why Printers Are Designed To
> Fail: The Frustrating Truth'.
>
> Henk
>
> Op wo 8 mrt 2023 om 22:48 schreef David J Brooks :
>
>> I went to print a document this afternoon and when I turned on my Epson
>> 2400 printer, the green light came on for a short moment, I heard a
>> clicking sound then the paper jam and low ink red lights started to flash
>> alternatively.
>>
>> Anyone run into this issue with a 2400, its about 15 years old
>>
>> I did notice a blob of coloured ink on a piece of foam on the left hand
>> edge of the printer head rail, could that be it
>> ??
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --
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>> www.caughtinmotion.com
>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
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Re: epson 2400

[Henk Terhell]

Never had any luck with printers and I estimate their life time on my desk
is around 3 years.
My current printer for about a year is an Epson 2410 which prints B/W OK,
but has lousy colours.

I just came across a new funny YouTube video 'Why Printers Are Designed To
Fail: The Frustrating Truth'.

Henk

Op wo 8 mrt 2023 om 22:48 schreef David J Brooks :

> I went to print a document this afternoon and when I turned on my Epson
> 2400 printer, the green light came on for a short moment, I heard a
> clicking sound then the paper jam and low ink red lights started to flash
> alternatively.
>
> Anyone run into this issue with a 2400, its about 15 years old
>
> I did notice a blob of coloured ink on a piece of foam on the left hand
> edge of the printer head rail, could that be it
> ??
>
> Dave
>
> --
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> www.caughtinmotion.com
> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
> York Region, Ontario, Canada
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Re: DPReview to Close Down

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 22, 2023, at 5:17 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> I can't say I'm surprised, really. It's been years since I visited
> DPreview, myself.

I hung out on their Pentax forum before John told me about PDML, there was some 
really silly fracas about a squirrel, I think.


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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

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> On Mar 22, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
> My anagram reply was to google, not to you. I understand your problems and 
> didn’t mean any offence, just wanted you to know that people may not be 
> seeing your photos.
> 

No worries it takes more than that to piss me off, but less to inspire snark.

I don’t know what the problem is, because so far as I know they’ve never asked 
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

[Bob W PDML]

My anagram reply was to google, not to you. I understand your problems and 
didn’t mean any offence, just wanted you to know that people may not be seeing 
your photos.

> On 22 Mar 2023, at 16:19, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> That's fine, I don't terribly care that you don't look at them. I'm up to my 
> asshole in storm damage, have no power or Internet at home, I hope you won't 
> feel offended that I don't spend an hour and a half paying something on 
> Flickr so you can see it .  
> 
>> On March 22, 2023 8:29:27 AM PDT, Bob W PDML  wrote:
>> Whenever you put a link to photos on Google it tells me it wants access to 
>> all my photos before it will show me yours. My reply is an anagram of 
>> cfffkou.
>> 
 On 22 Mar 2023, at 15:23, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just with my phone
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cECzAWQ6rXMa6v2u9
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On March 22, 2023 12:25:35 AM PDT, Bob W PDML  wrote:
>> On 22 Mar 2023, at 06:50, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> […]
> 
> I also learned that if you put on a hard hat and a high visibility vest 
> people are a lot more likely to assume that you’re supposed to be where 
> they chewed you out for being a couple of hours previously.
 
 Hi-viz jackets make you invisible. 
 
 One of the modern world’s great paradoxes.
 
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

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That's fine, I don't terribly care that you don't look at them. I'm up to my 
asshole in storm damage, have no power or Internet at home, I hope you won't 
feel offended that I don't spend an hour and a half paying something on Flickr 
so you can see it .  

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>Whenever you put a link to photos on Google it tells me it wants access to all 
>my photos before it will show me yours. My reply is an anagram of cfffkou.
>
>> On 22 Mar 2023, at 15:23, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> 
>> Just with my phone
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cECzAWQ6rXMa6v2u9
>> 
>> 
>> On March 22, 2023 12:25:35 AM PDT, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> On 22 Mar 2023, at 06:50, Larry Colen  wrote:
 
 […]
 
 I also learned that if you put on a hard hat and a high visibility vest 
 people are a lot more likely to assume that you’re supposed to be where 
 they chewed you out for being a couple of hours previously.
>>> 
>>> Hi-viz jackets make you invisible. 
>>> 
>>> One of the modern world’s great paradoxes.
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

[Bob W PDML]

Whenever you put a link to photos on Google it tells me it wants access to all 
my photos before it will show me yours. My reply is an anagram of cfffkou.

> On 22 Mar 2023, at 15:23, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> Just with my phone
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cECzAWQ6rXMa6v2u9
> 
> 
> On March 22, 2023 12:25:35 AM PDT, Bob W PDML  wrote:
 On 22 Mar 2023, at 06:50, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> […]
>>> 
>>> I also learned that if you put on a hard hat and a high visibility vest 
>>> people are a lot more likely to assume that you’re supposed to be where 
>>> they chewed you out for being a couple of hours previously.
>> 
>> Hi-viz jackets make you invisible. 
>> 
>> One of the modern world’s great paradoxes.
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Re: PESOS: Portraits, no Pentax content

[lrc]

Nicely done

On March 22, 2023 7:55:27 AM PDT, Bill  wrote:
>I did a mini portrait shoot on Sunday using the X-T5 and Viltrox 75/1.2
>lens.
>I'm absolutely delighted with both this camera and lens.
>These were done with a single beauty dish using a wall to get some fill.
>
>The first was shot at f/2.8
>
>https://flic.kr/p/2oorozf
>
>The second was shot at f4
>
>https://flic.kr/p/2ootzLD
>
>Enjoy
>
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

[lrc]

Just with my phone
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cECzAWQ6rXMa6v2u9


On March 22, 2023 12:25:35 AM PDT, Bob W PDML  wrote:
>> On 22 Mar 2023, at 06:50, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> […]
>> 
>> I also learned that if you put on a hard hat and a high visibility vest 
>> people are a lot more likely to assume that you’re supposed to be where they 
>> chewed you out for being a couple of hours previously.
>
>Hi-viz jackets make you invisible. 
>
>One of the modern world’s great paradoxes.
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PESOS: Portraits, no Pentax content

[Bill]

I did a mini portrait shoot on Sunday using the X-T5 and Viltrox 75/1.2
lens.
I'm absolutely delighted with both this camera and lens.
These were done with a single beauty dish using a wall to get some fill.

The first was shot at f/2.8

https://flic.kr/p/2oorozf

The second was shot at f4

https://flic.kr/p/2ootzLD

Enjoy

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Re: DPReview to Close Down

[Mark Roberts]

I can't say I'm surprised, really. It's been years since I visited
DPreview, myself.
 
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Re: DPReview to Close Down

[Henk Terhell]

Bought by Amazon in 2007 and closed by Amazon in 2023.

Op wo 22 mrt 2023 om 08:31 schreef mike wilson :

> But clearly not profitable.  Or profitable enough.
> > On 22/03/2023 00:56 Rick Womer  wrote:
> >
> >
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Re: DPReview to Close Down

[mike wilson]

But clearly not profitable.  Or profitable enough.
> On 22/03/2023 00:56 Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
>  
> I agree. Their forums were sometimes interesting or helpful, too.
> 
> Rick
> 
> > On Mar 21, 2023, at 5:23 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> > 
> > That’s a shame. It was an asset. Detailed reviews and accurate analysis.
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> >> On Mar 21, 2023, at 4:55 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I was going to write ‘OT’ in the subject line but actually DPReview have 
> >> said some very good things about Pentax to date…
> >> 
> >> They are closing the site down - a crime!
> >> 
> >> Links:
> >> 
> >> News story:
> >> 
> >> https://www.dpreview.com/news/5901145460/dpreview-com-to-close
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Video from Chris and Jordan:
> >> 
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLikDUacsC8
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Cheers
> >> 
> >> Cotty
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Re: A chance to play with my new toys

[Bob W PDML]

> On 22 Mar 2023, at 06:50, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> […]
> 
> I also learned that if you put on a hard hat and a high visibility vest 
> people are a lot more likely to assume that you’re supposed to be where they 
> chewed you out for being a couple of hours previously.

Hi-viz jackets make you invisible. 

One of the modern world’s great paradoxes.

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A chance to play with my new toys

[Larry Colen]

I won’t be able to post photos for a bit because I still don’t have internet at 
home, other than a cell phone hotspot, from when a tree fell on my neighbor’s 
house last Tuesday. Let’s just say that I am not currently thrilled with TPC.

I did get a chance to play with the K-3 III  and my 70-200 tonight, and test 
their weather proofing, in the rain, as a work crew cut a tree down that had 
fallen on the power lines, a few feet from my property line, on the other side 
of the house than the tree fell a week ago. We had a power since Sunday at 6PM, 
but I didn’t let that make me complacent, I powered down my desktop when I left 
for work this morning, because  it’s rainy in the Santa Cruz Mountains, and was 
supposed to get a little bit wet.  So power from Sunday at 6PM until Tuesday at 
2PM, that’s like over 40 hours, a guy could get spoiled. 

I learned a couple of things about the 3 III tonight. First of all, there’s a 
little button in the upper left of the back, which is easy to miss in the dark, 
it’s right next to the metering mode button. If you bump it, you won’t be able 
to adjust aperture, shutter speed or ISO. If you do so in the rain, in the 
dark, when you aren’t familiar with the camera, and the controls inexplicably 
stop working you. might mistakenly think that the weather sealing didn’t work 
as well as it should, but might be puzzled why they e-dials still worked on the 
menus.

I have also learned that as handy as the touch screen controls might be, in the 
rain it can get very confused. The photo review and preview stop working and a 
bunch of other strange things happen as well.

I also learned that if you put on a hard hat and a high visibility vest people 
are a lot more likely to assume that you’re supposed to be where they chewed 
you out for being a couple of hours previously.

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