Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-06 Thread Cotty
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RE: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread Bob W
...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: 04 June 2012 23:22 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make? I was thinking about my quest for sharpness, and was considering trying to do some research into what the aperture

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 4, 2012, at 17:31 , J.C. O'Connell wrote: In theory a perfect lens would be sharpest wide open, so a really good lens would be sharpest close to wide open. If it takes 4 or 5 stops to sharpen up a lens, its probably not that great. As for good rules of thumb, I find f5.6 or f8 to

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread George Sinos
Just remember - while all of this is mildly interesting, it doesn't really make a lot of difference to the end result. When you're looking at the photograph on a screen or paper, the tiny differences are extremely hard to see. If the differences in f-stops are that distinct in a modern lens, you

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Larry Colen wrote: I was thinking about my quest for sharpness, and was considering trying to do some research into what the aperture sweet spot is for each lens, and was wondering if anyone had already made a chart of them. The sweet spot for sharpness is usually around f/5.6-f/8, depending

RE: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread John Sessoms
Less than actually getting the subject in focus does. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

RE: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts (Also, sharpness and shutter speed can be a trade-off too if you're trying to get motion blur from long shutter speed. I run into this problem when shooting waterfalls and such and I'm forced to stop way

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread David Savage
On 6 June 2012 00:10, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts (Also, sharpness and shutter speed can be a trade-off too if you're trying to get motion blur from long shutter speed. I run into this problem

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts (Also, sharpness and shutter speed can be a trade-off too if you're trying to get motion blur from long shutter speed. I run into this problem when shooting waterfalls and such and I'm forced

RE: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts (Also, sharpness and shutter speed can be a trade- off too if you're trying to get motion blur from

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
Also a factor, the longer the lens, the narrower the depth of field at the same f stop on a shorter lens. -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Sent: Jun 5, 2012 9:27 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: How much difference does optimizing

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread Darren Addy
re: diffraction vs DOF Please see Charles Nam's most reasonable *comment* in response to the article on the following page: http://www.theatreofnoise.com/2011/06/choosing-optimal-aperture-to-avoid.html The problem with dealing in mathematical formula is that they are not Real World and do not

RE: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-05 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Subject: Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make? Also a factor, the longer the lens, the narrower the depth of field at the same f stop on a shorter lens. -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Sent: Jun 5, 2012 9:27 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List

How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread Larry Colen
I was thinking about my quest for sharpness, and was considering trying to do some research into what the aperture sweet spot is for each lens, and was wondering if anyone had already made a chart of them. Then I wondered how much it really matters. I've heard a couple of stops down from wide

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2012-06-04 18:22, Larry Colen wrote: Then I wondered how much it really matters. I've heard a couple of stops down from wide open, anywhere between f/8 and f/16, and a couple other rules of thumb. I do know that on some lenses, particularly the FA50/1.4, that stopping it down a couple

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread Bruce Walker
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: optimizing aperture for sharpness is not the most productive place to spend my time and energy. Mark! Apologies for taking that out of context. :-)  That I'm generally best optimizing the aperture for the picture, and not

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread David Savage
I never really spent too much time worrying about researching the sweet spot. I just chose the aperture that gave me the DoF I wanted. That said, with the D800's stupidly high resolution, it really pays to hit the sweet spot. DS On 5 June 2012 06:53, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread David Parsons
If you can find the MTF charts for each lens, it will tell you all you need to know about what aperture it is sharpest at. On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I was thinking about my quest for sharpness, and was considering trying to do some research into what

How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread luiz felipe
Larry's ideas: I was thinking about my quest for sharpness, and was considering trying to do some research into what the aperture sweet spot is for each lens, and was wondering if anyone had already made a chart of them. Then I wondered how much it really matters. I've heard a couple of

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread Mark C
On 6/4/2012 6:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I was thinking about my quest for sharpness, and was considering trying to do some research into what the aperture sweet spot is for each lens, and was wondering if anyone had already made a chart of them. Then I wondered how much it really matters.

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread Jeffery Smith
F/5.6 and be there. Sent from my iPad Jeffery L. Smith New Orleans, Louisiana USA On Jun 4, 2012, at 19:05, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: On 6/4/2012 6:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I was thinking about my quest for sharpness, and was considering trying to do some research into what the

RE: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread J.C. O'Connell
- J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark C Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:06 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make? On 6/4/2012 6

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
The optimum aperture does make a noticeable difference in sharpness with most good glass, but using it shouldn't overrule your DOF needs. With the K-5, you can set your program mode to choose the MTF aperture when you push the green button. On the new DA* zooms, it comes early -- f4 in many

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Don't forget that at about f8 diffraction effects will begin to rear it's ugly head. So if your maximum aperture is 4.0 diffraction will start to steal sharpness using that two stops down rule of thumb. It's worse the shorter the lens gets as the actual physical aperture is what controls

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread Boris Liberman
IMO in this kind of discussion it just might be useful to play the role of devil's advocate. Most of my shooting not for my own pleasure is for Galia's class. When it started I was obsessed with technical quality - sharpness, etc. As time goes by, I am starting to understand that slightly

Re: How much difference does optimizing the aperture make?

2012-06-04 Thread Fernando
I personally know by memory for the prime lenses I used the most, and out of personal experimentation in real world shooting -just because I like to know- although P mode with MTF program will get you there easily. For the non-chip lenses I guess a couple of clicks from wide open. The ones for me