Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-21 Thread Joseph McAllister
I've read here on the list a while ago, and I believe in the instructions for one of the focus tests, to AF twice, as the first focus tends to overshoot or undershoot the best possible focus. In designing such a system, there is a tradeoff between speed of focusing, wear and tear on the motors,

K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Tim Øsleby
The combo seems to front focus a lot in the studio. In fluorescent it is hit and miss. Improves in halogen light, but I can't really trust it. It seem to do ok in daylight. I'm assuming that in house AF-adjustments is not the way to go. That it will be useless outdoor if I corrects it for indoor

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Boris Liberman
On 3/20/2011 2:39 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: The combo seems to front focus a lot in the studio. In fluorescent it is hit and miss. Improves in halogen light, but I can't really trust it. It seem to do ok in daylight. I'm assuming that in house AF-adjustments is not the way to go. That it will be

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 20, 2011, at 5:39 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: The combo seems to front focus a lot in the studio. In fluorescent it is hit and miss. Improves in halogen light, but I can't really trust it. It seem to do ok in daylight. I'm assuming that in house AF-adjustments is not the way to go. That it

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Boris Liberman
On 3/20/2011 2:48 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I'm very intrigued by the 28-75 myself, it's a range that I find myself needing a lot. How sharp is it? My two zooms are the 18-250 and the 16-50, how would it compare with them? My copy is very sharp. Easily as sharp as Pentax primes, such as 35/2.8

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 20, 2011, at 5:52 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 3/20/2011 2:48 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I'm very intrigued by the 28-75 myself, it's a range that I find myself needing a lot. How sharp is it? My two zooms are the 18-250 and the 16-50, how would it compare with them? My copy is very

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Tim Øsleby
Already got a magnifier. And I'm not a fan of split prism. Besides that I probably will retire the K-20, so spending more money at it seems a bit like waste. IMO OOF rendering generally isn't important in the studio. Because it isn't much to render in the background. What's most important is how

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Boris Liberman
On 3/20/2011 3:06 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Already got a magnifier. And I'm not a fan of split prism. Besides that I probably will retire the K-20, so spending more money at it seems a bit like waste. Then The Fates (*) have very little work left to be done here. IMO OOF rendering generally

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Tim Øsleby
May be I replied to fast. For the time being, in the work I do at the moment, the background rendering isn't critical. But that might change. So you do have a point. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2011/3/20 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Well, it probably depends. I've

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 20, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Already got a magnifier. And I'm not a fan of split prism. Besides that I probably will retire the K-20, so spending more money at it seems a bit like waste. Tim, if you are eventually going to upgrade to a K-5, and you can afford to do it

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Tim Øsleby
My significant other would kill me for getting a K-5 now. But I could smuggle in a lens. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2011/3/20 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: On Mar 20, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Already got a magnifier. And I'm not a fan of split prism. Besides

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
I suspect it's more the camera than the lens, but it's anyone's guess. I would first try fine focus adjustment in one kind of light, then see if it proves accurate in another case as well. The focus adjustment procedure is something that should be performed with all of your lenses in any case.

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Boris Liberman
On 3/20/2011 3:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Interesting. That is my biggest complaint with my bigma, that I don't like the bokeh. It is my present belief (as in 'loosely proven by minimal personal experience') that zooms don't have bokeh as good as primes which has to do with the fact of life

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Tim Øsleby
The thing is that I never noticed this before I sended it in for a locked zoom ring. And I've never noticed it in daylight. In fact, I've never noticed it at all. What kind of light would you try first? -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2011/3/20 Paul Stenquist

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Mar 20, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: The thing is that I never noticed this before I sended it in for a locked zoom ring. And I've never noticed it in daylight. In fact, I've never noticed it at all. What kind of light would you try first? It doesn't matter which test comes

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Tim Øsleby
Just did a formal test using the AF-assist light. It did OK at the long end, but front focuses heavily at 16mm. Hm. I'll redo the test, and include the mid range. But it does not look good so far. Will test it in the studio later. Right now it is occupied by a college. -- MaritimTim

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Tim Øsleby
Shit. Redid the test. On tripod, focused at a remote control (don't have a proper test chart). This time it back focused a bit at 16mm, back focus a lot at 28mm, and spot on at 50mm. Same result in tungsten light. Am I doing something wrong, or is the lens a wreck? Or is it the camera? --

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
You really need a fine line scale to determine focus. Do you have a meter stick? Focus on a number midway down the stick, with it lying on the floor. Come at it from a 45 degree angle. If you're getting inconsistent results, I suspect your test method is askew. Paul On Mar 20, 2011, at 2:28

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread eckinator
Tim, how about a K-r - costs about as much as a good lens Cheers Ecke 2011/3/20 Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: You really need a fine line scale to determine focus. Do you have a meter stick? Focus on a number midway down the stick, with it lying on the floor. Come at it from a 45

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Bruce Walker
A counter-point to Larry's suggestion: camera bodies come and go, but good glass is forever. That truism varies in validity of course (thinking of the random SDM death-spiral here), but it's mostly true. I bought my first two decent lenses for my K100D Super rather than upgrading to a K10D or

Re: K-20 and DA* 16-50 frustrations

2011-03-20 Thread Tim Øsleby
I have callibrated it now, with the AF-assist lamp on. It was far off +10. It's much better now, but I don't know how it performs in the studio light. But for the time being I prefer thinking of it as solved. (Thanks Paul for pushing me). The results where consistent. But I did run into one