On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:05 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Eric, this is one of the things that I fail to catch almost always unless it
is the face to face real life conversation...
Actually, I can identify, Boris.
On 7/12/2010 6:40 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
I'd appreciate any advice folks here might have on what I gather is
called work flow. My limited experience managing film images on a
computer has not generated a comfortable way of working. I have a
MacBook, and I can definitely say I'm not real
On Jul 25, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Let me just add one more voice to those who recommended you use LightRoom. It
is extremely well done piece of software. Not without quirks, but it is
really convenient.
I bought mine when it first came out, upgraded from 1.x to 2.x and
On 7/25/2010 5:25 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
Thanks, Boris. Following the advice you've given and that others have
echoed -- or was it the other way around? -- I've downloaded
Lightroom 3 for a one month trail. Looks like I'll be shelling out a
few hundred bucks more on my developing photography
BTW, there's an excellent Lightroom forum on Flickr.com too. I
participate (and moderate) there often.
See: http://www.flickr.com/groups/adobe_lightroom/
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/25/2010 5:25 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
Thanks, Boris. Following
On Jul 25, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
It is the other way around. I joined the chorus for LR just today ;-).
I was being facetious, Boris!
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On Jul 25, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
BTW, there's an excellent Lightroom forum on Flickr.com too. I
participate (and moderate) there often.
Thanks for the heads up, Godfrey.
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On 7/25/2010 7:09 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
I was being facetious, Boris!
Eric, this is one of the things that I fail to catch almost always
unless it is the face to face real life conversation...
Boris
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On Jul 14, 2010, at 20:33, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Another way to get a similar effect is to tag them with standardized
subject keywords and use Smart Collections to organize them by subject
inside Lightroom. They stay where they were put during the import
process, but you can browse them by
On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:01 PM, steve harley wrote:
On 2010-07-13 14:21 , Eric Weir wrote:
The one thing that's absolutely critical for a filing system to work for me
is the ability to rename and restructure files. My systems develop
iteratively. I start. I see the need to restructure. That
On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:44 PM, David Parsons wrote:
You don't need to buy LR right away, Adobe has a 30 trial for LR so
you can see if you like it before buying. I'd recommend doing that if
you aren't sure.
Thanks for the info on how LR works and how you use it, David.
I've downloaded LR
On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Bob W wrote:
LR flags the files as missing, but doesn't stop you from working with the
associated previews, which is an argument for generating the highest
resolution of preview. This gives you the option of working offsite from
your filestore, perhaps keeping
On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Lightroom is very flexible when it comes to how you organize your
work, both with regard to the file system and its internal tools. The
key is to understand how those things can work and use them according
to a consistent policy that suits
Oh, I certainly do extensive tagging as well. I just like to have a
folder structure as well as an organizational backup.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com
wrote:
... When I
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:25 AM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, I certainly do extensive tagging as well. I just like to have a
folder structure as well as an organizational backup.
I didn't mean to say you didn't, or that it was the best solution for
you. Everyone has their
On Jul 14, 2010, at 2:16 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
I do have a few articles on topics about Photoshop, LIghtroom and
Aperture available on-line for download ... see
http://www.gdgphoto.com/articles/
Thanks for these, Godfrey. I've printed out a few, to get oriented a bit before
starting
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
On Jul 13, 2010, at 10:07 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
There's really nothing confusing here. If you shoot RAW, you convert to a
tiff or jpeg and save the unadulterated RAW. That's the way it will work
with either
Christine Aguila wrote:
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On Jul 14, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:
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On Jul 13, 2010, at 21:10, Eric Weir wrote:
On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
The only organization I do outside of LR (ie, before even importing them
into LR) is to group into a month folder (2010_June, 2010_July, etc...) -
this gives me a discrete collection of
On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:07 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
I agree as well. If you're eventually going to use Lightroom, you're better
off starting there. It's a different way of working than PhotoShop and
Elements with Bridge, and there's no point in heading off in another
direction.
You -- all
On 2010-07-13 14:21 , Eric Weir wrote:
The one thing that's absolutely critical for a filing system to work for me is the
ability to rename and restructure files. My systems develop iteratively. I
start. I see the need to restructure. That continues until I've got a relatively stable
system
The way Lightroom (LR) works is that for existing files, you tell it
where the files are and it scans them and adds the files to it's
database. Any keyword tagging, and edits that you make to the
pictures are stored in the database. You don't deal directly with the
RAW files after you import
[...]
When you make edits, LR doesn't write anything to the source files,
and no files are created until you export. You still need the source
files, and if you delete them, LR won't be able to work with the
picture.
LR flags the files as missing, but doesn't stop you from working with the
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote:
... When I import pictures, LR
puts the files on my HDD by date and I process and tag them. After
I've got them how I like them, I move them (inside LR) to different
folders based on subject matter. I do this
On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
I started with Elements, then soon tried Lightroom, and I've never wanted to
use Elements again. I find Lightroom's photo management excellent, and I use
Lightroom to upload to my web site for my PESOs and GESOs, and I'm going to
use
[...]
Thanks, Christine. I'm convinced about Lightroom. [It's a bit pricey
for me though. Almost double what I paid for my used *ist DS -- with
which, by the way, I am VERY happy.] And it is more the file management
than the editing capability that I'm looking for.
I like hearing a
On Jul 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
I started with Elements, then soon tried Lightroom, and I've never wanted to
use Elements again. I find Lightroom's photo management excellent, and I
use Lightroom to upload to my web
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Bob W wrote:
there are some things which you will have to be able to do from time to
time. For instance, if you have a dustmark on your sensor which affects the
picture you will need to be able to clone it out. You will also need to make
adjustments to contrast
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:12 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
If your volume of work is going to be moderate, you can get a good start on
things with Elements, providing its recent enough to allow for conversion of
your camera's RAW files. (I'm guessing from your previous messages that you
already
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:12 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
If your volume of work is going to be moderate, you can get a good start on
things with Elements, providing its recent enough to allow for conversion of
your camera's RAW files. (I'm
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:33 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
I'm not sure if Elements has file management capability. Newer versions may
come with Bridge, which is Adobe's across-the-board file manager..
I've got Bridge.
If not, organizing your files is fairly simple, since your camera will number
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:33 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
I'm not sure if Elements has file management capability. Newer
versions may come with Bridge, which is Adobe's across-the-board
file manager..
I've got Bridge.
If not, organizing your
On Jul 13, 2010, at 4:00 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:
Whatever works for you is good if it allows you to retrieve the file you
want. I simply download the entire camera folder onto a drive and name it for
the date and content. For example 7-14-10 farmers market. If the folder
hasn't been
If not, organizing your files is fairly simple, since your camera
will number them sequentially. All you really have to do is arrange
them in folders with key word descriptions.
My inclination would be to view the images, select those I want to
keep, assign names when appropriate, and
On Jul 13, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Bob W wrote:
You can use Lightroom to organise the files by collection within its
catalogue; photographs are not limited to being in one collection. You can
also use keywords and various metadata to search and to set up 'smart'
collections, which are essentially
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
[1] Does Elements have basic file management capabilities? [Better than
IPhoto?] [2] If go ahead and start using Elements, since I have it, will I be
able to access the original unedited image and the work I've done on it
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
[2] If go ahead and start using Elements, since I have it, will I be able to
access the original unedited image and the work I've done on it from
Lightroom?
Only if YOU maintain an original, unedited copy of the image
On Jul 13, 2010, at 15:39, Bob W wrote:
Because LR can do all of this, I don't do any organisation of the files
outside of LR. I import all the photographs into the same folder on disk,
and use the camera-assigned name for the file. I see no point in organising
them outside LR in parallel
On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
iPhoto has completely automated file management ... it's not designed
for the USER to ever touch the files themselves at all once you've
brought them into iPhoto.
Thanks for describing so succinctly what it is I only sensed, and what I
On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Only if YOU maintain an original, unedited copy of the image file, or
if the image file is a raw file (which Adobe Camera Raw considers to
be a read-only file).
- Pixel editors push around the pixels in the file you open with them,
so
On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:54 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
iPhoto has completely automated file management ... it's not designed
for the USER to ever touch the files themselves at all once you've
brought them into iPhoto.
Thanks for describing
On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
The only organization I do outside of LR (ie, before even importing them into
LR) is to group into a month folder (2010_June, 2010_July, etc...) - this
gives me a discrete collection of files which I can later back up. Typically
(but
Eric -
You are at the stage where spending $25 on a one month membership to
kelbytraining.com will be well worth the time and money.
There are several video tutorials on each of the products mentioned.
The Lightroom series by Matt Kloskowski are excellent.
You can also download free, 30 day,
On Jul 13, 2010, at 10:07 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
There's really nothing confusing here. If you shoot RAW, you convert to a
tiff or jpeg and save the unadulterated RAW. That's the way it will work
with either Elements or Lightroom. They won't overwrite the RAW. On the other
hand, if
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On Jul 13, 2010, at 15:39, Bob W wrote:
Because LR can do all of this, I don't do any organisation
I took my new *ist D to a community kitchen event yesterday and got my first
set of serious images, i.e., when I wasn't just fooling around to see how the
thing works. Judging from the images as displayed on the camera's LCD there may
be a couple good ones among them.
I'd appreciate any
You may want to find someone entitled to buy for you a teacher/student
edition of lightroom; they're sold at a 75% discount in Germany and it
should be about the same in the US.
Cheers
Ecke
2010/7/12 Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net:
I took my new *ist D to a community kitchen event yesterday and
On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:44 AM, eckinator wrote:
You may want to find someone entitled to buy for you a teacher/student
edition of lightroom; they're sold at a 75% discount in Germany and it
should be about the same in the US.
Thanks, ecke.
try Lightroom
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshoplightroom/
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On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Bob W wrote:
try Lightroom
Thanks, Bob. Curious -- how does it differ from Elements?
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Bob W wrote:
try Lightroom
Thanks, Bob. Curious -- how does it differ from Elements?
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On Jul 12, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
I took my new *ist D to a community kitchen event yesterday and got my
first set of serious images, i.e., when I wasn't just fooling around to see
how the thing works. Judging from the images as displayed on the camera's LCD
there may be a
Adam Maas wrote:
RAW conversion
I don't think anyone has had the bottle to mention this yet.
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On 2010-07-12 13:52, Adam Maas wrote:
try Lightroom
Thanks, Bob. Curious -- how does it differ from Elements?
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Lightroom is designed specifically for Photography, offers far more
robust
try Lightroom
Thanks, Bob. Curious -- how does it differ from Elements?
no idea - I've never used Elements.
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On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
My limited experience with iPhoto has been rather bad. It may have gotten a
lot better, but I thought it was rather annoying.
That's been my reaction. I feel like I'm forced to surrender my images to it,
and then it seems to have a mind of its
On Jul 12, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:
Lightroom is about portfolios and has photo editing/manipulation
capabilities. Elements is about photo editing/manipulation and has (a very
few) portfolio capabilities. At least that's /my/ take on it. :-)
Thanks, Doug. That's helpful.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
On Jul 12, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:
Lightroom is about portfolios and has photo editing/manipulation
capabilities. Elements is about photo editing/manipulation and has (a very
few) portfolio capabilities.
On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
In sum, Lightroom is an image-management application with a great
depth of image processing services. Photoshop and similar applications
are image processing applications. Lightroom is designed to work
stand-alone and with other image
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On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Bob W wrote:
try Lightroom
Thanks, Bob. Curious -- how does it differ from Elements?
Hi Eric: I started with Elements, then soon tried Lightroom, and I've never
wanted to use Elements
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