Re: PESO - wake up call

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Like me, Andy Warhol (Andrei Warhola) was born a Rusyn-American.  He was
nothing in not unique.  
I strive for uniqueness, but photographically and otherwise, fall short.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

>
> http://tinyurl.com/hlo4as3
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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bruce Walker]

I like it!

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> Speaking of Warhol, sometime back I played with the cartoonish and
> distortion setting on my K5 with a pic I had just taken.  The result
> was this "warhol-ish" image I posted:
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/1XGQu1OSMS/?taken-by=rgonzomatic=en
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:20 PM, John  wrote:
>> Warhol's may not be unique from other Warhol images, but they're unique from
>> NON-Warhol images.
>>
>> On 8/29/2016 2:04 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>>
>>> On 29 Aug 2016, at 18:33, Daniel J. Matyola
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Bruce Walker
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> But I appreciate all of them for their uniqueness.
>>>
>>>
>>> Uniqueness is an important element of memorable and effective images.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/hlo4as3
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=andy+warhol+multiple+images=safari=en-gb=768=928=ivsn=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwjFzvrzmefOAhXnDMAKHUjXCwYQ_AUIBSgB
>>>
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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Gonz]

I guess I better back off the B filters then.  Hopefully that will
shrink my shrink bill.  ;)


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> Be careful - there might be a shrink lurking...
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37218059
>
> B
>
>> On 30 Aug 2016, at 21:41, Gonz  wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of Warhol, sometime back I played with the cartoonish and
>> distortion setting on my K5 with a pic I had just taken.  The result
>> was this "warhol-ish" image I posted:
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/1XGQu1OSMS/?taken-by=rgonzomatic=en
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:20 PM, John  wrote:
>>> Warhol's may not be unique from other Warhol images, but they're unique from
>>> NON-Warhol images.
>>>
 On 8/29/2016 2:04 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

 On 29 Aug 2016, at 18:33, Daniel J. Matyola
 > wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Bruce Walker
 >
 wrote:

 But I appreciate all of them for their uniqueness.


 Uniqueness is an important element of memorable and effective images.


 http://tinyurl.com/hlo4as3


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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bob W-PDML]

Be careful - there might be a shrink lurking...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37218059

B

> On 30 Aug 2016, at 21:41, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of Warhol, sometime back I played with the cartoonish and
> distortion setting on my K5 with a pic I had just taken.  The result
> was this "warhol-ish" image I posted:
> 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/1XGQu1OSMS/?taken-by=rgonzomatic=en
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:20 PM, John  wrote:
>> Warhol's may not be unique from other Warhol images, but they're unique from
>> NON-Warhol images.
>> 
>>> On 8/29/2016 2:04 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 29 Aug 2016, at 18:33, Daniel J. Matyola
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Bruce Walker
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But I appreciate all of them for their uniqueness.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Uniqueness is an important element of memorable and effective images.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/hlo4as3
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=andy+warhol+multiple+images=safari=en-gb=768=928=ivsn=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwjFzvrzmefOAhXnDMAKHUjXCwYQ_AUIBSgB
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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Gonz]

Speaking of Warhol, sometime back I played with the cartoonish and
distortion setting on my K5 with a pic I had just taken.  The result
was this "warhol-ish" image I posted:

https://www.instagram.com/p/1XGQu1OSMS/?taken-by=rgonzomatic=en

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:20 PM, John  wrote:
> Warhol's may not be unique from other Warhol images, but they're unique from
> NON-Warhol images.
>
> On 8/29/2016 2:04 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>
>> On 29 Aug 2016, at 18:33, Daniel J. Matyola
>> > wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Bruce Walker
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> But I appreciate all of them for their uniqueness.
>>
>>
>> Uniqueness is an important element of memorable and effective images.
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/hlo4as3
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=andy+warhol+multiple+images=safari=en-gb=768=928=ivsn=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwjFzvrzmefOAhXnDMAKHUjXCwYQ_AUIBSgB
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Re: PESO - wake up call

[John]

Warhol's may not be unique from other Warhol images, but they're unique 
from NON-Warhol images.


On 8/29/2016 2:04 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 29 Aug 2016, at 18:33, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Bruce Walker 
>
wrote:

But I appreciate all of them for their uniqueness.


Uniqueness is an important element of memorable and effective images.


http://tinyurl.com/hlo4as3

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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Steve Cottrell]

On 29/8/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I have a copy of Sieff's 40 Years of Photography (Taschen) and much of
>the joy of that book is in Sieff's memoirs and many little quotations
>and quips used throughout. That man could write. Very dry,
>self-deprecating humour; I love it.

Ditto, ditto.

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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bruce Walker]

I also like this from the essay: "Perhaps this is the motive at the
heart of the desire to take images – the record of a constant crossing
between feeling and thinking."

This, to me, speaks to not just Sieff's motive, but to photography in
general which is very precise, scientific and technical in many
aspects and purely artistic in others.

I have a copy of Sieff's 40 Years of Photography (Taschen) and much of
the joy of that book is in Sieff's memoirs and many little quotations
and quips used throughout. That man could write. Very dry,
self-deprecating humour; I love it.


On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2016, at 18:19, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>> On 29/8/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 I wanted to write that it was Les Rencontres de Jeanloup Sieff, but
 couldn't find any reference to that book, so I checked my copy. It means
 that for almost 40 years I have conflated these two photographers in my
 mind. It probably explains why I found it so hard to reconcile Sieff's
 nudes and the early photos by Clergue, and that is one of the reasons I
 bought the book.
>>>
>>> An interesting appreciation of Sieff's work:
>>>
>>> 
>>
>> An excellent essay. Thanks, Cotty!
>>
>
> This is very amusing: "so unique are these bottoms that they almost deserve 
> to have no arsehole”.
>
> And the photo at the end of Guermantes is quite brilliant.
>
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Re: PESO - wake up call

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On 29 Aug 2016, at 18:19, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> On 29/8/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> I wanted to write that it was Les Rencontres de Jeanloup Sieff, but
>>> couldn't find any reference to that book, so I checked my copy. It means
>>> that for almost 40 years I have conflated these two photographers in my
>>> mind. It probably explains why I found it so hard to reconcile Sieff's
>>> nudes and the early photos by Clergue, and that is one of the reasons I
>>> bought the book.
>> 
>> An interesting appreciation of Sieff's work:
>> 
>> 
> 
> An excellent essay. Thanks, Cotty!
> 

This is very amusing: "so unique are these bottoms that they almost deserve to 
have no arsehole”.

And the photo at the end of Guermantes is quite brilliant.

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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bob W-PDML]

On 29 Aug 2016, at 18:33, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Bruce Walker 
>
wrote:

But I appreciate all of them for their uniqueness.


Uniqueness is an important element of memorable and effective images.


http://tinyurl.com/hlo4as3

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=andy+warhol+multiple+images=safari=en-gb=768=928=ivsn=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwjFzvrzmefOAhXnDMAKHUjXCwYQ_AUIBSgB

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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Bruce Walker 
wrote:

> But I appreciate all of them for their uniqueness.


Uniqueness is an important element of memorable and effective images.

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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bruce Walker]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 29/8/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>I wanted to write that it was Les Rencontres de Jeanloup Sieff, but
>>couldn't find any reference to that book, so I checked my copy. It means
>>that for almost 40 years I have conflated these two photographers in my
>>mind. It probably explains why I found it so hard to reconcile Sieff's
>>nudes and the early photos by Clergue, and that is one of the reasons I
>>bought the book.
>
> An interesting appreciation of Sieff's work:
>
> 

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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bruce Walker]

I greatly enjoy Clergue's nudes. He seems to have pretty much invented
the style of superimposing highly contrasting lines -- as from hard
light through a venetian blind -- over the nude form. He also puts me
in mind of Bill Brandt with his tightly framed bodyscapes.

Sieff's style differs appreciably. He prefers more of the subject in
the frame, adding in lingerie more often, with more erotic designs.
Less distortion of the body as compared to either Brandt or Clergue.

But I appreciate all of them for their uniqueness.


On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> I think it's a human thing.
>
> Here's a strange thing. I'm piecemeal reading a book at the moment, called 
> Les Rencontres de Lucien Clergue 
> (https://www.amazon.fr/Lucien-Clergue-ses-rencontres-Photographies/dp/2862344451).
>
> I wanted to write that it was Les Rencontres de Jeanloup Sieff, but couldn't 
> find any reference to that book, so I checked my copy. It means that for 
> almost 40 years I have conflated these two photographers in my mind. It 
> probably explains why I found it so hard to reconcile Sieff's nudes and the 
> early photos by Clergue, and that is one of the reasons I bought the book.
>
> I think I met Clergue/Sieff in about 1980 when hitchhiking around Europe. He 
> gave me and my gf a lift and we stayed at his place in Arles for a night and 
> talked a lot about photography. I thought it was Sieff, but maybe it was 
> Clergue - I don't think Sieff was particularly connected with Arles.
>
> I prefer Clergue's nudes to Sieff's, although I don't think they're his best 
> work.
>
> B
>
>> On 29 Aug 2016, at 15:35, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> Jonvelle shares his fondness for bottom curves with Jeanloup Sieff,
>> another great Frenchman. I wonder if it's a French thing, or is it
>> continental Europeans -- Italians, Spaniards -- in general?
>>
>> In keeping with the spirit of the theme I shall be exploring the rear
>> view extensively myself.
>>
>> Thanks, Bob!
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> I suspect that could be a fairly successful series - I look forward to 
>>> seeing it.
>>>
>>> I say this because when I looked at your photo The first thing that came to 
>>> mind was Jane Birkin, and that whole sixties, South of France look. I've 
>>> never heard of Jonvelle before (sounds like a man-made fibre from the 
>>> 1950s), but I looked at his site, which confirms my first thought.
>>>
>>> Based on my superficial analysis, he seems to have a particular fondness 
>>> for bum cleavage. It must have so tormented him to walk through a building 
>>> site.
>>>
>>> http://www.jonvelle.com/docs/elles/portfolio/portfolio.pdf
>>>
>>> B
>>>
 On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:37, Bruce Walker  wrote:

 A teaser for Cotty, really. :) An outtake from my upcoming Jonvellesque 
 series.

 http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149600276892

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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Steve Cottrell]

On 29/8/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I wanted to write that it was Les Rencontres de Jeanloup Sieff, but
>couldn't find any reference to that book, so I checked my copy. It means
>that for almost 40 years I have conflated these two photographers in my
>mind. It probably explains why I found it so hard to reconcile Sieff's
>nudes and the early photos by Clergue, and that is one of the reasons I
>bought the book.

An interesting appreciation of Sieff's work:





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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bob W-PDML]

I think it's a human thing.

Here's a strange thing. I'm piecemeal reading a book at the moment, called Les 
Rencontres de Lucien Clergue 
(https://www.amazon.fr/Lucien-Clergue-ses-rencontres-Photographies/dp/2862344451).
 

I wanted to write that it was Les Rencontres de Jeanloup Sieff, but couldn't 
find any reference to that book, so I checked my copy. It means that for almost 
40 years I have conflated these two photographers in my mind. It probably 
explains why I found it so hard to reconcile Sieff's nudes and the early photos 
by Clergue, and that is one of the reasons I bought the book.

I think I met Clergue/Sieff in about 1980 when hitchhiking around Europe. He 
gave me and my gf a lift and we stayed at his place in Arles for a night and 
talked a lot about photography. I thought it was Sieff, but maybe it was 
Clergue - I don't think Sieff was particularly connected with Arles.

I prefer Clergue's nudes to Sieff's, although I don't think they're his best 
work.

B

> On 29 Aug 2016, at 15:35, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Jonvelle shares his fondness for bottom curves with Jeanloup Sieff,
> another great Frenchman. I wonder if it's a French thing, or is it
> continental Europeans -- Italians, Spaniards -- in general?
> 
> In keeping with the spirit of the theme I shall be exploring the rear
> view extensively myself.
> 
> Thanks, Bob!
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> I suspect that could be a fairly successful series - I look forward to 
>> seeing it.
>> 
>> I say this because when I looked at your photo The first thing that came to 
>> mind was Jane Birkin, and that whole sixties, South of France look. I've 
>> never heard of Jonvelle before (sounds like a man-made fibre from the 
>> 1950s), but I looked at his site, which confirms my first thought.
>> 
>> Based on my superficial analysis, he seems to have a particular fondness for 
>> bum cleavage. It must have so tormented him to walk through a building site.
>> 
>> http://www.jonvelle.com/docs/elles/portfolio/portfolio.pdf
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:37, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A teaser for Cotty, really. :) An outtake from my upcoming Jonvellesque 
>>> series.
>>> 
>>> http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149600276892
>>> 
>>> 645z, 55mm/2.8; window light
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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bruce Walker]

Oh, it was freshly brewed and piping hot coffee, Jack, not just
quotation marks hot. We each enjoyed a cup of it after we finished
this scene.

Camille is more than willing to take risks to get the shot. Thanks for
your concern, Jack. :)


On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
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> A lot of tender areas for that "boiling hot" coffee to drip on.
>
> J
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> Subject: Re: PESO - wake up call
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> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv> wrote:
>> On 28/8/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>>A teaser for Cotty, really. :) An outtake from my upcoming Jonvellesque
>>>series.
>>>
>>>http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149600276892
>>>
>>>645z, 55mm/2.8; window light
>>
>> Suitably teased :-)
>
> Then another teaser, also an outtake ...
>
> http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149625112452
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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Jack Davis]

A lot of tender areas for that "boiling hot" coffee to drip on.

J

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From: "Bruce Walker" <bruce.wal...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 7:36:37 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - wake up call

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv> wrote:
> On 28/8/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>A teaser for Cotty, really. :) An outtake from my upcoming Jonvellesque
>>series.
>>
>>http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149600276892
>>
>>645z, 55mm/2.8; window light
>
> Suitably teased :-)

Then another teaser, also an outtake ...

http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149625112452

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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bruce Walker]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 28/8/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>A teaser for Cotty, really. :) An outtake from my upcoming Jonvellesque
>>series.
>>
>>http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149600276892
>>
>>645z, 55mm/2.8; window light
>
> Suitably teased :-)

Then another teaser, also an outtake ...

http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149625112452

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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bruce Walker]

Jonvelle shares his fondness for bottom curves with Jeanloup Sieff,
another great Frenchman. I wonder if it's a French thing, or is it
continental Europeans -- Italians, Spaniards -- in general?

In keeping with the spirit of the theme I shall be exploring the rear
view extensively myself.

Thanks, Bob!


On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> I suspect that could be a fairly successful series - I look forward to seeing 
> it.
>
> I say this because when I looked at your photo The first thing that came to 
> mind was Jane Birkin, and that whole sixties, South of France look. I've 
> never heard of Jonvelle before (sounds like a man-made fibre from the 1950s), 
> but I looked at his site, which confirms my first thought.
>
> Based on my superficial analysis, he seems to have a particular fondness for 
> bum cleavage. It must have so tormented him to walk through a building site.
>
> http://www.jonvelle.com/docs/elles/portfolio/portfolio.pdf
>
> B
>
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:37, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> A teaser for Cotty, really. :) An outtake from my upcoming Jonvellesque 
>> series.
>>
>> http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149600276892
>>
>> 645z, 55mm/2.8; window light
>>
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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Steve Cottrell]

On 28/8/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A teaser for Cotty, really. :) An outtake from my upcoming Jonvellesque
>series.
>
>http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149600276892
>
>645z, 55mm/2.8; window light

Suitably teased :-)



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Re: PESO - wake up call

[Bob W-PDML]

I suspect that could be a fairly successful series - I look forward to seeing 
it. 

I say this because when I looked at your photo The first thing that came to 
mind was Jane Birkin, and that whole sixties, South of France look. I've never 
heard of Jonvelle before (sounds like a man-made fibre from the 1950s), but I 
looked at his site, which confirms my first thought. 

Based on my superficial analysis, he seems to have a particular fondness for 
bum cleavage. It must have so tormented him to walk through a building site.

http://www.jonvelle.com/docs/elles/portfolio/portfolio.pdf

B

> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:37, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> A teaser for Cotty, really. :) An outtake from my upcoming Jonvellesque 
> series.
> 
> http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/149600276892
> 
> 645z, 55mm/2.8; window light
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